BI or Zion: Who do you want the Pelicans to trade for Scoot?

Well?

Obviously my opinion on this is well known.

I'd also add that at the end of the day, it's probably not even up to the Pelicans. If Charlotte say only Zion will do it, and the team are laser-focused on Scoot, then Zion'll be the one going. If they say they want BI, then they're getting BI.

as much as I like BI, I feel like Murphy could replace him

BI is replaceable by Murphy. No one can replace a healthy Zion. A healthy Zion can compete for championships. A team with BI as the best player will never win a championship. The Pelicans cannot afford to pay BI in 2 years. Time to trade him.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

BI is replaceable by Murphy. No one can replace a healthy Zion. A healthy Zion can compete for championships. A team with BI as the best player will never win a championship. The Pelicans cannot afford to pay BI in 2 years. Time to trade him.

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Bout time I got some support around here :hihi:

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

BI is replaceable by Murphy. No one can replace a healthy Zion. A healthy Zion can compete for championships. A team with BI as the best player will never win a championship. The Pelicans cannot afford to pay BI in 2 years. Time to trade him.

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BI is replaceable by a player that's displayed no midrange ability, limited but improving shot creation, almost no playmaking for teammates, slightly worse defense, and very limited ball handling.

Most of those abilities are not acquired by a player AFTER they enter the NBA. Their roles on the court is almost apples and oranges.

So to say Trey Murphy can replace BI is borderline assinine.

Unless this was just a troll post...in which case carry on. :D

People are saying Scoot has the speed to play well with Zion or Irma or both. But doesn't the team have a fast point guard on the team already? Kira was the fastest player in his draft.

I'm sorry but last time I checked prospects have less value than established All-Stars. So if one of them is traded there must be other positive assets alongside.

There's no such thing as surefire prospect. Just look at former number one pick Fultz. Yes Henderson could end up being a generational player but also could be on his way out of the League 5 years from now, just look at the history especially for point guard drafted in the top 10 ( just a few I have in mind : Lonzo, Dunn, Mudiay, Fultz, Burke, Simmons, Exum).

Thank you glass Ian have to type all of this

And Zion won’t win one by hisself bi is the best second option you can have put him on Boston or Miami they probably win the finals

As much as I love Zion potential he is the only player on the team you question buy in his focus doesn’t seem set on being great I can’t say that about bi he’s not trade able

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Originally Posted by luckyman

BI is replaceable by a player that's displayed no midrange ability, limited but improving shot creation, almost no playmaking for teammates, slightly worse defense, and very limited ball handling.

Most of those abilities are not acquired by a player AFTER they enter the NBA. Their roles on the court is almost apples and oranges.

So to say Trey Murphy can replace BI is borderline assinine.

Unless this was just a troll post...in which case carry on. :D

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See “the team cannot afford to pay BI in years,” part. Is Murphy exactly the same as BI? No. Is he a SF with all star/near all star potential and a lights out shooter? Yes. Will Murphy and Herb Jones need to be paid in the next 1 to 2 years and essentially play the same position as Ingram? Yes.

Trade suggestion:

BI and #14 for Scoot Henderson and Gordon Hayward (1 year expiring serviceable salary filler)

Lineup:

PG: CJ/Scoot (6th man until he gets experience)/Alvarado
SG: Murphy/Daniels/Lewis
SF: Herb/Hayward/Temple
PF: Zion/Marshall/Liddell
C: JV/Nance/Hernangomez

It would be nice to somehow replace JV with Myles Turner.

Nah I’m good what has Zion showed in all this time he will be unavailable I’m good we will essentially be counting on scoot to be a goat if we make that type of trade ?nd I’m not betting on that I rather keep bi Trey won’t ever be as good as bi the only reason he scored the way he did is because of the players around him Brandon is the closes thing we have to a sure thing

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

Lineup:

PG: CJ/Scoot (6th man until he gets experience)/Alvarado
SG: Murphy/Daniels/Lewis
SF: Herb/Hayward/Temple
PF: Zion/Marshall/Liddell
C: JV/Nance/Hernangomez

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PG: We've already been through the "CJ PG Experiment". Thanks, but no thanks.
SG: In no way, shape, or form can Murphy replace BI's playmaking ability or his midrange shooting.
SF: Love him. but Herb provides no consistent scoring from the SF position
PF: In four years, if you haven't come to know that # 1 is a train wreck waiting to happen, I can't help you. Might do well for 25 games, then legs will pop.
C: Though JV would be the most consistent player for his position in this starting lineup, Willie won't play him. (Besides, he's gone pecan).

In your lineup, Scoot would have to start day one if for no other reason than to replace BI's play-making (facilitating) ability. Otherwise, it's CJ (shoot first), #1 (say your novenas) and Herb. 3M3's handles are almost non-existent.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

PG: We've already been through the "CJ PG Experiment". Thanks, but no thanks.
SG: In no way, shape, or form can Murphy replace BI's playmaking ability or his midrange shooting.
SF: Love him. but Herb provides no consistent scoring from the SF position
PF: In four years, if you haven't come to know that # 1 is a train wreck waiting to happen, I can't help you. Might do well for 25 games, then legs will pop.
C: Though JV would be the most consistent player for his position in this starting lineup, Willie won't play him. (Besides, he's gone pecan).

In your lineup, Scoot would have to start day one if for no other reason than to replace BI's play-making (facilitating) ability. Otherwise, it's CJ (shoot first), #1 (say your novenas) and Herb. 3M3's handles are almost non-existent.

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Not many rookies start on day 1, hence why I think they transition scoot into the starting role over 2-3 months, but eventually the lineup wil be:

PG: Scoot/Alvarado
SG: CJ/Hayward
SF: Murphy/Herb
PF: Zion/Marshall
C: JV/Nance

Again, I think they are looking for a more athletic and defensive center to replace JV as they should be.

If scoot is as good as advertised, this team is better than the one we have now.

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Originally Posted by smcgull

People are saying Scoot has the speed to play well with Zion or Irma or both. But doesn't the team have a fast point guard on the team already? Kira was the fastest player in his draft.

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Turns out that there are other skills in basketball, aside from just being fast.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

If scoot is as good as advertised, this team is better than the one we have now.

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I feel like people are taking your point about Trey/BI a bit too literally. Correct me if I'm wrong but when you say that BI is replaced by Murphy, you just mean that he's also a high impact scoring wing at the same position, not that their game is identical, no?

Besides, people pointing out that you lose playmaking by replacing BI with Trey - sure, if the only thing that happens is that. But you're actually also adding Scoot in this scenario, who is a very good playmaker especially out of the PnR, so BI's playmaking isn't lost in the BI-for-Scoot move.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I feel like people are taking your point about Trey/BI a bit too literally. Correct me if I'm wrong but when you say that BI is replaced by Murphy, you just mean that he's also a high impact scoring wing at the same position, not that their game is identical, no?

Besides, people pointing out that you lose playmaking by replacing BI with Trey - sure, if the only thing that happens is that. But you're actually also adding Scoot in this scenario, who is a very good playmaker especially out of the PnR, so BI's playmaking isn't lost in the BI-for-Scoot move.

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Yes. Scoot/Murphy replaces BI essentially. We also open up future flexibility as the current team as constructed has proven to be inconsistent. We are pretty much locked in with Zion/BI/CJ right now, and will have to sell pennies on the dollar next year if the team were to be deconstructed then. We also wouldn’t have a player like Scoot available to draft.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

See “the team cannot afford to pay BI in years,” part. Is Murphy exactly the same as BI? No. Is he a SF with all star/near all star potential and a lights out shooter? Yes. Will Murphy and Herb Jones need to be paid in the next 1 to 2 years and essentially play the same position as Ingram? Yes.

Trade suggestion:

BI and #14 for Scoot Henderson and Gordon Hayward (1 year expiring serviceable salary filler)

Lineup:

PG: CJ/Scoot (6th man until he gets experience)/Alvarado
SG: Murphy/Daniels/Lewis
SF: Herb/Hayward/Temple
PF: Zion/Marshall/Liddell
C: JV/Nance/Hernangomez

It would be nice to somehow replace JV with Myles Turner.

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Okay that's far different than saying Trey can replace BI. He can't. That's not his skill set.

Can Scoot + Trey replace BI? That's possible down the road. But BI is still only 25 and still hasn't reached his own peak yet. He is definitely a #1 option on a contender. The type you'd prefer since he has unselfish play making skills to go with everything else.

So you run the risk of a Trey + Scoot replacement being a lateral move split between 2 players you'll eventually have to pay.

Trade Zion before BI. He is the closest thing we have to a generational player, but there are so many negatives. His availability is obviously the biggest concern. The whole thing about him not playing during the most important moments last year despite being healthy is the opposite of the mamba mentality that you want in your team leader. Plus his off the court distractions, plus he is our biggest contract and will likely prevent us from having the room to resign Trey and Herb. That being said I am still not convinced about moving on from him because he is that much of a difference maker if everything works out for the best.

Scoot and Murphy not beating no team in the west Zion is a toss up if he’ll even be available

Teams like the thunder timberwolves and kings will whip us all day long might be the worst team in the division Memphis Dallas Houston will be better than us the moment we let Brandon go id rather let z go

I can’t see how y’all would want z when he’s been more trouble than positive since being here barely plays out of shape and in the news for whores I rather a basketball player with basketball as his top priority

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Originally Posted by Algiersraised

Scoot and Murphy not beating no team in the west Zion is a toss up if he’ll even be available

Teams like the thunder timberwolves and kings will whip us all day long might be the worst team in the division Memphis Dallas Houston will be better than us the moment we let Brandon go id rather let z go

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I regret to inform you that other teams already ''whip us all day long'' with Ingram on the team. Have been doing for the last 4 years.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Okay that's far different than saying Trey can replace BI. He can't. That's not his skill set.

Can Scoot + Trey replace BI? That's possible down the road. But BI is still only 25 and still hasn't reached his own peak yet. He is definitely a #1 option on a contender. The type you'd prefer since he has unselfish play making skills to go with everything else.

So you run the risk of a Trey + Scoot replacement being a lateral move split between 2 players you'll eventually have to pay.

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Scoot would be cost controlled for 8/9 years. BI is KD lite and KD himself has proven that he can’t be the #1 player on a championship team and consistently win with his style of play. BI is a super max player in 2 years. Trey probably can be signed for less than a rookie max right now but if his game matures even more, he will be worth a more cost controlled rookie max. See the CBA article and the fact that the Pels won’t pay luxury tax. Frankly, if I owned the team, I wouldn’t pay the luxury tax until the team shows it can compete for championships. We have been a tease with 2 injury prone players.

No man is bigger than the team but if they trade bi I’m gone he’s come in and been doing everything that he can to become greater and shows no sign of wanting to be anywhere else haven’t heard one rumor

Brandon is a better passer and you will have to pay players regardless why not pay a top guy who wants to be apart of something you building