GAMEDAY THREAD PELS at GRIZ 10/18/17

I really wish we played the long end-game and not traded for Boogie, let Jrue walk, drafted Dennis Smith Jr. Would be more excited about Brow, Hield & DSJ than this crap we're putting out there with '2 top 10 pleyers'.

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Originally Posted by wnelson

We need another ball handler. Crawford is expendable. Who is the best available. Don't care if he can't hit a lay up.

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Even when Rondo comes back, we can't expect Cousins to handle the ball this much. Not without some other threat he can hand off to and make havoc.

Outside of another injury....this is the worst case scenario for a debut.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Even when Rondo comes back, we can't expect Cousins to handle the ball this much. Not without some other threat he can hand off to and make havoc.

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Did Denver cut Jameer Nelson to sign Jefferson?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Even when Rondo comes back, we can't expect Cousins to handle the ball this much. Not without some other threat he can hand off to and make havoc.

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Jrue is like a walking Valium .

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Did Denver cut Jameer Nelson to sign Jefferson?

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yes.

AD & Boogie - 61 pts

rest of Pelicans - 30 pts

It's going to take a few games. Just like the Saints. But thats only to be .500.

Without Rondo there will be no playoffs. Jrue Holiday should probably come off the bench. That seems his true role. They lost because he had a pathetic showing. Even a halfway decent showing and they might have won.

Pels 0/10 from 3 in the 2nd half

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

yes.

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Well, there's your Guard. He played for Finch last year. He should Start immediately & move Jrue to #2

ADavis 33pts on 9-23FG
Cousins 28pts on 9-21FG

TheField 30pts on 12-35FG

The field consisted of 8 players this time. Each averaging 3.8pts.

Yes the refs were bad. But our guys pouted all game, they looked like entitled cry babies out there. They should've won that game but they let the refs take them out mentally because the game was physical. Disappointing. I hope they see that on film and never let it happen again.

Also, the ball stopped moving after the 1st. The ISO plays are cool here and there but we need to keep the ball moving to win games.

Jrue misses some easy shots early but then he got progressively worse. His defense was non existent tonight.

Overall the team was out of sync all game, they were more focused on reffing the game than playing the game.

I think we will still be good, but we need an athletic wing. I pray we land Gerald Green. We need an unconscious scorer. Our "high iq" role players overthink the game too much.

this dude on Pelicans Live going ham

ETA: the ex-Spur... I didn't get his name... not Coach Harris

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Originally Posted by rt0307

this dude on Pelicans Live going ham

ETA: the ex-Spur... I didn't get his name... not Coach Harris

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Antonio Daniels?

Another opener and another L. Holiday is walking waste of 25 mln $. Complete garbage...

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Originally Posted by luckyman

It's going to take a few games. Just like the Saints. But thats only to be .500.

Without Rondo there will be no playoffs. Jrue Holiday should probably come off the bench. That seems his true role. They lost because he had a pathetic showing. Even a halfway decent showing and they might have won.

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Holiday is NOT capable of being the captain of this ship. Not even in the back-up role. Sign Nelson, start him immediately. When Rondo comes back, cut Crawford & Nelson becomes back-up PG

Just think that if Jrue would have just made 12 more points this game would have been decided at the last minute. 16 points is not too much to ask for from a starting point guard any given night.


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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Antonio Daniels?

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is that who that is? I didn't get his name :hihi:

but he was making a lot of good points

I still question the coaching as well.

Again, you have Parsons on Davis. Get Davis the ball at the rim. They did this **** last year with Babbitt on Cousins and they ignored that.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Yes the refs were bad. But our guys pouted all game, they looked like entitled cry babies out there. They should've won that game but they let the refs take them out mentally because the game was physical. Disappointing. I hope they see that on film and never let it happen again.

Also, the ball stopped moving after the 1st. The ISO plays are cool here and there but we need to keep the ball moving to win games.

Jrue misses some easy shots early but then he got progressively worse. His defense was non existent tonight.

Overall the team was out of sync all game, they were more focused on reffing the game than playing the game.

I think we will still be good, but we need an athletic wing. I pray we land Gerald Green. We need an unconscious scorer. Our "high iq" role players overthink the game too much.

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This is a good overall assessment of the game. The refs were beyond terrible, but we had 17 turnovers in 3 qtrs, stopped with the game plan and tried to ISO ball our way after the 1st, and shot 38% from the field.

As terrible as the refs were we could have overcome them. Our players simply didn't execute.

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Originally Posted by Creative

Another opener and another L. Holiday is walking waste of 25 mln $. Complete garbage...

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Holiday is the NBA version of Mike Glennon.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

This is a good overall assessment of the game. The refs were beyond terrible, but we had 17 turnovers in 3 qtrs, stopped with the game plan and tried to ISO ball our way after the 1st, and shot 38% from the field.

As terrible as the refs were we could have overcome them. Our players simply didn't execute.

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Solo kills our rotation. Crawford & Miller are atrocious defensively.

they got away from the offense in the second the minute the 3 ball dried up. fed right into memphis physical play. emotions kick in and cousins and ad began one on one wanting fouls. Refs cant call every foul. coaching has to get control are its going to get ugly. cousins checked out early and ad was sick and his quad was hurting him. Gentry let this happen. Rondo would have gotten this straightened out.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Crawford, I expect that from. Miller should be able to adjust with time. He's been away from the NBA game for a while.

Also, yeah, another thing I really didn't like how much complaining Cousins and AD did all game. The refs never did like us. We have to freaking ignore that. How can you be a leader when you're **********ing about a bad call?

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Worked for Duncan many years. Dude always threw up the WTF flag.


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once we leave the three ball out we were done. this is ad and cousins team. the other guys are not standing up to them. Coaching Coaching Coaching

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Holiday is the NBA version of Mike Glennon.

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Lmao! Even worst.... Tebucky Jones!

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

Lmao! Even worst.... Tebucky Jones!

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Oh, ouch !

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Originally Posted by Bricklayer

ADavis 33pts on 9-23FG
Cousins 28pts on 9-21FG

TheField 30pts on 12-35FG

The field consisted of 8 players this time. Each averaging 3.8pts.

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This is going to be the theme of this season. Once Rondo gets here we will more likely win more games with an actual PG to lead our team. However, Demps did a poor job of having enough talent off the bench with a sub par coach with players not even close to his system. It looks worst than I thought.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Solo kills our rotation. Crawford & Miller are atrocious defensively.

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Replace Crawford & Miller with Nelson & Green and we're instantly better.

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Originally Posted by Rel11

We can’t keep turning the ball over. We can’t fall asleep on defense. We MUST stay healthy.

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Too late

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Replace Crawford & Miller with Nelson & Green and we're instantly better.

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Agreed! Unfortunately, Demps is our GM. If he can't trade a 1st round pick for them, he doesn't want them.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Replace Crawford & Miller with Nelson & Green and we're instantly better.

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That makes sense, but aren’t we so cap strapped due to Holiday’s deal that we can’t afford to make any moves?

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

Agreed! Unfortunately, Demps is our GM. If he can't trade a 1st round pick for them, he doesn't want them.

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They are free agents. We don’t have to trade a first. We just need to shred salary.


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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

That makes sense, but aren’t we so cap strapped due to Holiday’s deal that we can’t afford to make any moves?

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Holiday, Ajinca and Asik deals. But I think we can still sign guys for the minimum.

Ppl saying it's just one game but if we want to make the playoffs then we need to win as many games as we can because the West is brutal and the beginning of our schedule is hard

Yeah, I'm of the mind that Gerald Green needs to be on a plane to NOLA, ASAP.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Hield seems to have gone backwards so far this season

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One game?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

One game?

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Isn't that the trend of the thread? One game, fire Gentry, team is doomed. Etc?

I mean, I do think we need to find more offense. But only because I can see that certain players lack traits I like. And I want Gerald Green specifically because I've always wanted a high flying player. That he can hit 3s is just a bonus.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Isn't that the trend of the thread? One game, fire Gentry, team is doomed. Etc?

I mean, I do think we need to find more offense. But only because I can see that certain players lack traits I like. And I want Gerald Green specifically because I've always wanted a high flying player. That he can hit 3s is just a bonus.

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Gentry sucked last year too. Also, we sucked in preseason.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

They are free agents. We don’t have to trade a first. We just need to shred salary.


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That's my point! It just makes to much sense.

I'm disappointed that commentators know more about playing matchups then our coaches. We definitely need another pg. Clark, Jrue, Moore, and Crawford should only be playing SG but Clark wasn't near as bad as everyone else.

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Originally Posted by sterlr

The plays are all one-on-one. Bigs outside and driving...enough to get one of them hurt (see AD earlier) . Let them operate off the block and run your offense through them. We need a traditional low post offense.

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That makes to much sense no way we do that.

It's just hard to watch us lose with our two big boys filling up the stat sheet. It's just one game, but man, we shouldn't have lost to Memphis.

The Pelicans haven’t had a Point Guard in 3 Years.
So why are you guys claiming after one game in the 2017 season we need a Point Guard that is why we lost?
Most of all you guys knew that already. Go look back in the threads from late June and read all the Defenders of Jrue Holiday.
I was ripping that deal. I was begging we didn’t sign this player. I laid it out why? He can’t beat anyone off the dribble. He has screws in his Damn Leg comon now you mean to tell me that don’t effect your quickness and explosive moves on a wooden basketball court? Sure it does. But yet most on this forum was okay and PRAISING Dell Demps for signing him. At that juncture in time the Pelicans signed JH to be a Point Guard not a 2 Guard. Then all of a sudden Chris Finch is the answer to this offense. He is the best offensive mind in Pro Basketball. Well both of them along with a New DC a full year of Training Camp and look what you have. Injuries happen on every team every year no excuse there. The Pelicans lack General Management and Head Coach. DC is not the answer and it’s showing. He wants to put the ball on the floor put his head down And look for a shot. He is not a team player never has been in his professional career. A coach killer loser. Tonight we seen his crying looking for fouls no where near the basket playing real basketball. The Pelicans have AD. He is coachable player. He wants to Win no doubt. Our window with him is closing and it closing fast. Something needs to happen quick. I said this before. The first 20 games are key. If we can’t get 10 wins it’s over. No playoffs period. I say fire Alvin Gentry on the spot. Give Ermin the job and let’s see what happens. Trade DC for something of value to get back what we lost in The trade with the Kings. Just my rant nothing personal

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

One game?

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Tryna make myself feel better

Jrue has had an ever changing role. This year he was told to "be more aggressive" "we need scoring from you." So guess what? On offense you saw zero ball movement. Because they want him to score. Miller and Clark sat on the perimeter all game and was barely passed to. I'm not saying either of those guys are our saviors but Jrue, AD, and Boogie were all blackholes tonight.

They tried to do too much. Jrue however tried to do WAY too much. So because of his aggressiveness, Memphis crashed the paint and doubled Boogie and AD because they werent passing to anyone else. The pendulum will swing back and Jrue will find his sweet spot.

As for Jrue's contract, you know that was our only option. We either spend money on him or basically have enough money for an MLE guy. No one thinks Jrue is worth the money he's getting but it had to be done

The biggest worry for me is that last season, Boogie joined our team and joined our offense that we had in place. This season I wonder if he's trying to make it his own. We saw the iso plays from a lot of Pelicans, which is what Boogie likes to do. We saw the emotion when fouls were called, which we know Boogie has. It seems like Boogie has had a powerful impact on this team (maybe I'm reading too deeply into it). But in my mind, this game is the Pelicans trying to figure out who they are, who their leader is, and what are everyone's roles.

It's going to be a steep adjustment, I just hope they figure it out before its too late.

Jrue should be a Knick and the Pels should have used his money on a wing scorer. I don’t blame Jrue. Demps simply isn’t good at his job.

I find it hard to believe that we can't find anyone better than Miller to be on the roster. Dude is just not NBA level.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

Jrue should be a Knick and the Pels should have used his money on a wing scorer.

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That's not how it works. Come on people, you're smarter than this and we've covered this already months ago.

Jrue is Jrue it has nothing to do with his role on this club or any ball club.
He lacks the Skill Set of say Steff Curry, Westbrook, Irving or Harding etc etc the list is long. He is not a play maker big time player Period.
Look at Conley last night prime example. You can't make chop liver prime rib.