Pelicans talking with Rondo about a 1 year deal {updated - Signed}

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I hope everyone is at this point since it's already agreed upon. At least to try to be optimistic it will work.

My opinion is much the same as it was the other day: Rondo is a 1 year deal that can hold down a starting guard position for us while we look for a long term answer. We didn't give up assets and we retained much of the flexibility we had before agreeing to terms with Rondo. I like other players better and I'd much rather have Bledsoe but if signing Rondo means we aren't desperate to make a move then it's worth it.

As far as his personality goes, I fully believe Cousins and AD will keep him in check. I also think Rondo himself will be very willing to keep himself in check because he is playing with Cousins and AD.

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Agreed and I think the fact that Cousins is here is the reason Rondo signed with us and that should help with chemistry also.

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Originally Posted by tyler

Big baby has always been bitter

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Bitter to whom? He won with rondo he lost with CPME

https://t.co/681PcuzkDc?amp=1 Sam Mitchell on Rondo signing
Win Win for Pels!

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Originally Posted by tthier2

Bitter to whom? He won with rondo he lost with CPME

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Ever since he left the league he has just complained about everything including Doc Rivers saying he wasn't a good coach

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Originally Posted by tyler

Ever since he left the league he has just complained about everything including Doc Rivers saying he wasn't a good coach

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TBH I don't feel he is that good of a coach either. That Boston team with that talent should have won at least 3 rings

Aside from thinking this is a plan C or D type move that isn't flattering for the Pels, the question remains: Who closes out games at PG? 60% FT shooter Rondo or "Mr crucial play turnover" Holiday? Who you got?

I came to the same conclusion with MM to Rondo at a glance (makes me feel like i know something haha), Tim Fraiser situation on offense where shooting becomes a problem, with bigger upside on defense.

I talked to a friend of mine who's a big Boston fan, and who also knows more about Rondo. He was saying he doesn't think Rondo has lost that much of a step, he's not significantly bogged down on injuries, niggling ones, but nothing significant as the ACL he had a few years ago. It's all going to be about his motivation, whether he decides to bring it on a consistent basis, or just go full AWOL.

I think i heard this from TBW, people were excited about Rubio, and you get someone who plays a similar style in Rondo. The couple pluses i can think of, he's definitely a high IQ guy, he'll do his research and learn the in and outs of our offence and defense, and see it on the court. If he is even as good as he was in SAC, he'll help out our team immensely, and I think he's got a bit more potential than that because he'll have more options.

So then, like everyone has been saying, it'll be about what he wants to do, and if he decides to buy in. I think the fact that he chose NO (which is not a destination for 90% of the league), speaks to him wanting to do big things with this team, for a few reasons. He's likely to take small money, which I'm sure he's able to get in most other places. We have a couple of his friends here, in Boogie and Erman, people who can hopefully keep him motivated and from falling off the cliff (Also the Kentucky connection). Most importantly IMO, he's had the most talented roster to work with since Boston, people who don't need the ball in their hands the whole time to be effective. I'm guessing he wants to go deep in the playoffs, as opposed to collecting another check, because like I reiterated, it's not much of a paycheck (for him anyways).

So with all that said, I think there's a reasonable chance for him to succeed here, more than 50% anyway. I feel like others are giving it like a 30% to 0% chance, which at a glance is not unreasonable, but I think the factors surrounding his signing points to higher upside, provided 2 things, his motivation, and his health.

I'm calling it now. Rondo will win MVP next season.

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Originally Posted by Impose

Aside from thinking this is a plan C or D type move that isn't flattering for the Pels, the question remains: Who closes out games at PG? 60% FT shooter Rondo or "Mr crucial play turnover" Holiday? Who you got?

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Please stop it. You can easily substitute Rondo if it comes down to a free throw situation. And while Jrue had that ugly flub against Denver last year, he has also hit big shots late as well. That big shot against the Spurs the playoff year comes to mind.

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Originally Posted by Impose

Aside from thinking this is a plan C or D type move that isn't flattering for the Pels, the question remains: Who closes out games at PG? 60% FT shooter Rondo or "Mr crucial play turnover" Holiday? Who you got?

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Who do you recommend buckwheat?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

I'm calling it now. Rondo will win MVP next season.

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Kmsl

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Originally Posted by Impose

Aside from thinking this is a plan C or D type move that isn't flattering for the Pels, the question remains: Who closes out games at PG? 60% FT shooter Rondo or "Mr crucial play turnover" Holiday? Who you got?

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What's this "or" stuff? Both will be on the floor.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

I'm calling it now. Rondo will win MVP next season.

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He's definitely a strong pick for MIP. I'm calling Boogie for MVP.

Good post tin Food

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

I'm calling it now. Rondo will win MVP next season.

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This

MVP is a fun notion. But I think what's going to happen is he leads the league in assists.

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Originally Posted by NOEngineer

100% agree. Less than half of the "writers" tweets listed on Pelicans Report are now basketball-related. I bet I'm not the only season ticket holder who disagrees with the completely liberal slant on this forum, and I certainly could find plenty of political sites to visit if that's what I were seeking. Instead, what I want is concentrated information and opinions about my Pelicans team, without the political baggage to wade through. Express your uniformly unique opinions about politics in a more appropriate forum, please.....

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Then go to TigerDroppings :hihi:

No one's forcing you to stay here :hihi:

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Originally Posted by Tinman

That's cool. What about the other ones? The one that has LOADS of "inside information" all of the time from the beautiful mountain state of Utah & demeans, delegitimization & verbally assaults those that disagree with his POV? That "Inside Info" has been 100% not correct this summer. Or the other ones that keep posting & retweeting political garbage on the Pelicansreport website! It seems as though the actual hard leg journos, doing the work, on the ground are the most grounded in what they do. Usually the case. For the few who are actually walking the beat, I appreciate you immensely. It's unfortunate that most of the SOUND comes from the others.

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Are you fletcher? Just accept that MM has sources bro

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Originally Posted by Tin_Food

I came to the same conclusion with MM to Rondo at a glance (makes me feel like i know something haha), Tim Fraiser situation on offense where shooting becomes a problem, with bigger upside on defense.

I talked to a friend of mine who's a big Boston fan, and who also knows more about Rondo. He was saying he doesn't think Rondo has lost that much of a step, he's not significantly bogged down on injuries, niggling ones, but nothing significant as the ACL he had a few years ago. It's all going to be about his motivation, whether he decides to bring it on a consistent basis, or just go full AWOL.

I think i heard this from TBW, people were excited about Rubio, and you get someone who plays a similar style in Rondo. The couple pluses i can think of, he's definitely a high IQ guy, he'll do his research and learn the in and outs of our offence and defense, and see it on the court. If he is even as good as he was in SAC, he'll help out our team immensely, and I think he's got a bit more potential than that because he'll have more options.

So then, like everyone has been saying, it'll be about what he wants to do, and if he decides to buy in. I think the fact that he chose NO (which is not a destination for 90% of the league), speaks to him wanting to do big things with this team, for a few reasons. He's likely to take small money, which I'm sure he's able to get in most other places. We have a couple of his friends here, in Boogie and Erman, people who can hopefully keep him motivated and from falling off the cliff (Also the Kentucky connection). Most importantly IMO, he's had the most talented roster to work with since Boston, people who don't need the ball in their hands the whole time to be effective. I'm guessing he wants to go deep in the playoffs, as opposed to collecting another check, because like I reiterated, it's not much of a paycheck (for him anyways).

So with all that said, I think there's a reasonable chance for him to succeed here, more than 50% anyway. I feel like others are giving it like a 30% to 0% chance, which at a glance is not unreasonable, but I think the factors surrounding his signing points to higher upside, provided 2 things, his motivation, and his health.

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I wanted to write a longer post but then I read yours and it basically what I had to say :)

so here's the problem with Rondo, I actually think he'll regain some of his defensive form, he sort of did at points last year with the Bulls. The issue is offensively, Rondo took 20% of his shots from 16-23 ft and hes terrible at them, he also was terrible around the rim last year and never has been able to run a high level offense, even the 2010-11 Celtics were mediocre on that end. This team already has a lot of offensive problems, and Jrue is also a veey inneffecient guard, Its still really up to Gentry, AD and Cousins to figure this out offensively. Only under Monty has Davis' team had an above average offense and no one else not Cousins, not Holiday, or Rondo with the keys put together a good offense..

Here's the thing though, Rondo's corner 3 is legit, he shoots 44% from the corners on decent volume (like 150 shots over the last 2 seasons) but bad from other spots on the floor. If he rebranded himself as a pointgaurd who played good defense, handled it in transition, got the offense into their set and then played out of the corners for the rest of the possession hed be a 15 million dollar a year player. Hed be that good in that role. Just the little things hed bring as an extra passer, rebounder would make him invaluable.

The problem (again) is Rondo's ego is too big for that, and the Pelicans need too much out of him as a primary ballhandler. I personally dont trust a ball in Rondo's hands dominated offense to be above league average, but maybe it wont have to be if the Pelicans can improve on being a top 10 defense.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...every-position

I thought this was funny.

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Originally Posted by Impose

Aside from thinking this is a plan C or D type move that isn't flattering for the Pels, the question remains: Who closes out games at PG? 60% FT shooter Rondo or "Mr crucial play turnover" Holiday? Who you got?

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Your right we shouldn't have signed a former all star known to be one of the best passers and pick n roll PG in the game we should have stuck with our d league scrub that wasn't that good .


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It's almost everybody we ever wanted

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

MVP is a fun notion. But I think what's going to happen is he leads the league in assists.

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and be our 2nd or 3rd double double player and our top triple double guy...

Are the Pelicans going to do a press conference for Rondo ??


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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

Are the Pelicans going to do a press conference for Rondo ??


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Or even properly announce the terms of the deal

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Or even properly announce the terms of the deal

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Think they are waiting on a trade to go through first. At least that's what I heard on this board. Probably going to try to flip Ajinca and maybe Cook for some shooters.

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Originally Posted by PolishFan

I wanted to write a longer post but then I read yours and it basically what I had to say :)

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I feel like you and I are often on the same wave length :grphug:

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Originally Posted by tyler

It's almost everybody we ever wanted

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This really cracked me up reading it. In 1 breath the Asik (deservedly so), Jrue (mildly deserved), Hill (Possibly a fine deal), Ajinca (Relatively irrelevant) and Moore (A fine deal) are getting absolutely crucified by Pels fans, and in the next breath the suggestions of players we need to get have equally bad if not worse contracts.

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My GOD, we paid that much for Jrue? Add that to the awful Asik and Hill contracts and we're completely effed.

Trade Idea: Let's Trade all our assets for Parsons and Knight.

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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

Are the Pelicans going to do a press conference for Rondo ??


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It has to become official first. It's only been agreed upon right now. Nothing has been signed. Kushner suggested that we are probably trying to work another deal first.


If I had to guess Rondo probably agreed to take different amounts of money depending on what other deal(s) we could make happen.

I'm just worried that Rondo is going to destroy the locker room

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

so here's the problem with Rondo, I actually think he'll regain some of his defensive form, he sort of did at points last year with the Bulls. The issue is offensively, Rondo took 20% of his shots from 16-23 ft and hes terrible at them, he also was terrible around the rim last year and never has been able to run a high level offense, even the 2010-11 Celtics were mediocre on that end. This team already has a lot of offensive problems, and Jrue is also a veey inneffecient guard, Its still really up to Gentry, AD and Cousins to figure this out offensively. Only under Monty has Davis' team had an above average offense and no one else not Cousins, not Holiday, or Rondo with the keys put together a good offense..

Here's the thing though, Rondo's corner 3 is legit, he shoots 44% from the corners on decent volume (like 150 shots over the last 2 seasons) but bad from other spots on the floor. If he rebranded himself as a pointgaurd who played good defense, handled it in transition, got the offense into their set and then played out of the corners for the rest of the possession hed be a 15 million dollar a year player. Hed be that good in that role. Just the little things hed bring as an extra passer, rebounder would make him invaluable.

The problem (again) is Rondo's ego is too big for that, and the Pelicans need too much out of him as a primary ballhandler. I personally dont trust a ball in Rondo's hands dominated offense to be above league average, but maybe it wont have to be if the Pelicans can improve on being a top 10 defense.

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I agree with your point on the jumpers, but I think he'll figure out that AD is one of the best if not the best mid range shooters in the game, plus he likes assists anyway so he'll gladly pop it to AD for shots. I think you're right on the driving issues, and if he can't do that we're essentially screwed anyway. Thing is I think AD and Boogie will garner enough attention to allow him to work the seams for good looks, whether for him or for others.

The ego things is essentially the crux, if he can't get past that of course it's going to be really bad, but really he hasn't had teammates this good for close to 5 years, I think he'll gladly work with these guys because he can rely on them. The other thing is that Rondo has never been a big scorer anyway, he's less than 14 per game in his highest scoring seasons. He does all those other things you need in a good offence, which I think could really work out, though having Hill out there might clog up the lanes. Worse case scenario is that we have a similar problem to Minnesota last year with Rubio.

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Originally Posted by N0tech

I'm just worried that Rondo is going to destroy the locker room

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He's really not.

DMC has more potential to destroy the locker room than Rondo

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

Think they are waiting on a trade to go through first. At least that's what I heard on this board. Probably going to try to flip Ajinca and maybe Cook for some shooters.

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I doubt Cook is getting moved since he can play point plus shoot.

He's pretty underrated in his usefulness

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Originally Posted by AusPel

I doubt Cook is getting moved since he can play point plus shoot.

He's pretty underrated in his usefulness

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Yeah! As of right now he's our only back up point guard. He's a pretty solid one too.

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

Yeah! As of right now he's our only back up point guard. He's a pretty solid one too.

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Jrue, Rondo, Cook and even Crawford are the guards I'd be happy with making plays

That's not too bad really

Courtney Lee is the guard we need. Not sure how we get him, but he's who we need. A 1st and Asik for Lee would be my guess.

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

This really cracked me up reading it. In 1 breath the Asik (deservedly so), Jrue (mildly deserved), Hill (Possibly a fine deal), Ajinca (Relatively irrelevant) and Moore (A fine deal) are getting absolutely crucified by Pels fans, and in the next breath the suggestions of players we need to get have equally bad if not worse contracts.

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My GOD, we paid that much for Jrue? Add that to the awful Asik and Hill contracts and we're completely effed.

Trade Idea: Let's Trade all our assets for Parsons and Knight.

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Like really. I'm fine with most of what we have but we are always looking to trade the good ppl we have like Crawford and Moore

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Courtney Lee is the guard we need. Not sure how we get him, but he's who we need. A 1st and Asik for Lee would be my guess.

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Our best shot would be as a 4th team in a Melo trade.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Courtney Lee is the guard we need. Not sure how we get him, but he's who we need. A 1st and Asik for Lee would be my guess.

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Would love to get Lee...I don't think we would need to give up a 1st. 2nd, Asik, and Cook would give us lee....I would rather sign Afflalo to a one year deal with BAE and so we can use that first for Wall next year.

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Originally Posted by msw2024

Would love to get Lee...I don't think we would need to give up a 1st. 2nd, Asik, and Cook would give us lee....I would rather sign Afflalo to a one year deal with BAE and so we can use that first for Wall next year.

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If Asik is involved, we most probably would have to add our 1st. Courtney Lee would be a great fit here, but if we were to trade for him, I would think that would have to involve trading out Moore since they would be slotted into the same role as back-up SG, with Moore probably being better on defense, and Lee being the better at coming off screens as a shooter.

Still have that back-up SF spot that seems like should be the main focus to fill. Preferably one who is a 3-pt specialist who has the size to guard SF's. Jared Dudley is the name that keeps coming up as a good fit in that role, although at this point he's probably a stretch 4, and Cunningham could be retained in that role with better defense and rebounding.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Courtney Lee is the guard we need. Not sure how we get him, but he's who we need. A 1st and Asik for Lee would be my guess.

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So giving up a first rounder for average-ish, old SG on an almost-as-bad contract? I'd rather do a a straight dump or stretch Asik than take on another bad contract that give you production Dell can probably find with the BAE

Now that it was mentioned, I wonder what it would take to get Chandler Parsons.

Cousins
Davis
Parsons
Holiday
Rondo

That sounds good to me. I have no problem with us shipping off Moore to get that deal done. We have Jordan Crawford as the firepower off the bench.

So Rondo for 1 year, then next summer....


JOHN WALL!

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Originally Posted by rezburna

Now that it was mentioned, I wonder what it would take to get Chandler Parsons.

Cousins
Davis
Parsons
Holiday
Rondo

That sounds good to me. I have no problem with us shipping off Moore to get that deal done. We have Jordan Crawford as the firepower off the bench.

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It would take pretty much nothing to get Chandler Parsons. He's on a horrendous contract and has shown no ability to stay on the floor. Memphis would kill for someone to take him off their hands.

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Originally Posted by rezburna

Now that it was mentioned, I wonder what it would take to get Chandler Parsons.

Cousins
Davis
Parsons
Holiday
Rondo

That sounds good to me. I have no problem with us shipping off Moore to get that deal done. We have Jordan Crawford as the firepower off the bench.

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Why would anyone want Parsons (other than Fletcher Mackel)? His contract is an albatross and he is coming off serious injury.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Why would anyone want Parsons (other than Fletcher Mackel)? His contract is an albatross and he is (ALWAYS) coming off serious injury.

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Originally Posted by rezburna

Now that it was mentioned, I wonder what it would take to get Chandler Parsons.

Cousins
Davis
Parsons
Holiday
Rondo

That sounds good to me. I have no problem with us shipping off Moore to get that deal done. We have Jordan Crawford as the firepower off the bench.

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To me, you can complain about Dell signing/trading for bad contracts, or you can want to trade for Chandler Parsons. You can't do both.

The target floating around is Wes Matthews, which would make slightly more sense but I still hate it. I'd rather stretch Asik, use the MLE on Jackson/Rondo, and fill out the bench using TPEs

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

To me, you can complain about Dell signing/trading for bad contracts, or you can want to trade for Chandler Parsons. You can't do both.

The target floating around is Wes Matthews, which would make slightly more sense but I still hate it. I'd rather stretch Asik, use the MLE on Jackson/Rondo, and fill out the bench using TPEs

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If we could get Matthews for say Asik/Moore and a 2nd, I would be fine. I would not be excited about having to part with a 1st rounder, but realize that Asik has no value.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

If we could get Matthews for say Asik/Moore and a 2nd, I would be fine. I would not be excited about having to part with a 1st rounder, but realize that Asik has no value.

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This!!! I just think that 1st round pick has more value then using it to dump Asik. We could keep him then stretch him next year or trade him for peanuts. If we are going after John Wall...1st round picks are very important.