Burke "I"m hearing between #2 and #6"

well the good news is we will most definetly land porter mclemore oladipo or burke

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Originally Posted by Ogden Park

Cmon, you have to be parody posting at this point. Literally describes every Burke lover on this board. Unreal.


His D is not good, and likely will never be. He lacks the fluidity and footwork, and won't be able to compensate with his size. You are in love with the guy though, so of course you'll believe anything to justify it. And Ryno's D is serviceable and is much easier to compensate for than your main perimeter ball hawk.

Are you watching the East finals right now? DWest looks like a good defender (lulz) out there due to the perimeter guys hounding the ball. Exactly where Burke will struggle. Same thing with Memphis and Randolph. You can hide a mediocre post defender, not a bad PG though.

Exhibit A: Greivis Vazquez, the single biggest reason our D was so bad this year. Replacing him with Burke is a mostly lateral move IMO.

But then again, CP3 is the most overrated defender of a generation so I suppose it doesn't matter to people especially on this board. Except that the Clips D cost them a chance this year, and CP was the main culprit. Dude is a turnstile that gambles and gets steals.

Jameer Nelson 2.0, sorry folks. I like him, but he'll be good not great. And definitely a poor fit for this team.

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Poor post defense is a lot harder to overcome than point guard defense. I love Anderson, but this is silly.

Vasquez was a big problem on that end. As was Anderson and Lopez's lack of foot speed. As was the team's youth. As was the fact that Davis, for as great as he projects to be defensively, was largely clueless. As was the fact that our shooting guards were out of shape (Gordon), young and clueless (Rivers) or simply porous defensively (Mason). And the fact that we packed the paint and let teams rain threes on us to cover all of these issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqCZEoTYlxc

Next Vasquez, defensively.

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqCZEoTYlxc

Next Vasquez, defensively.

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Clearly! :coolg:

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

well the good news is we will most definetly land porter mclemore oladipo or burke

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Nothing definite at all.

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Originally Posted by jhow0036

Despite their need at point guard, sources say the Magic aren't sold on Trey Burke as the second-best player in the draft. While they certainly haven't ruled out Burke with the No. 2 pick, Orlando is also eyeing Indiana's Victor Oladipo and Kansas' Ben McLemore. However, Oladipo and McLemore play the same position as Arron Afflalo, the Magic's leading scorer last season. ESPN.com



Sources say the Magic have a lot of interest in Clippers point guard Eric Bledsoe and would be willing to trade Afflalo for Bledsoe and Caron Butler's expiring contract. ESPN.com

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If I'm the Clippers GM I'm doing that. Billups is nearing his final playing days. For Orlando, they'd have to be willing to wait for a Bledsoe/McLemore backcourt to mature.

why would the clippers trade bledsoe for affalo when they could get more for him?

I hope Bledsoe goes to the magic. I would welcome the kid on our team, but i also grow weary of all the trade rumours that surround him.

I think GMs probably have more respect for Afflalo than fans not in Orlando will. He pretty much bullied Gordon all over the court. He is just reaching his prime and would pair nice with CP3. Bledsoe conversely is a bit overrated. Trade sounds about fair with maybe a few added non player pieces.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

If I'm the Clippers GM I'm doing that. Billups is nearing his final playing days. For Orlando, they'd have to be willing to wait for a Bledsoe/McLemore backcourt to mature.

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I think the deal gets done if the rumblings are true. It's a win/win for both teams.

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Poor post defense is a lot harder to overcome than point guard defense. I love Anderson, but this is silly.

Vasquez was a big problem on that end. As was Anderson and Lopez's lack of foot speed. As was the team's youth. As was the fact that Davis, for as great as he projects to be defensively, was largely clueless. As was the fact that our shooting guards were out of shape (Gordon), young and clueless (Rivers) or simply porous defensively (Mason). And the fact that we packed the paint and let teams rain threes on us to cover all of these issues.

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This pretty much sums up our defense last year. Great post

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Poor post defense is a lot harder to overcome than point guard defense. I love Anderson, but this is silly.

Vasquez was a big problem on that end. As was Anderson and Lopez's lack of foot speed. As was the team's youth. As was the fact that Davis, for as great as he projects to be defensively, was largely clueless. As was the fact that our shooting guards were out of shape (Gordon), young and clueless (Rivers) or simply porous defensively (Mason). And the fact that we packed the paint and let teams rain threes on us to cover all of these issues.

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Yes, our defense had many issues. But it all started on the perimeter.

Saying poor post D is harder to overcome than poor PERIMETER D (you can't generalize one and not the other) is simply not true. Talk about silly. It is 10x easier to double in the post than the perimeter, there are far more ways to compensate post D, and not to mention the striking lack of quality low post scorers in the league.

Shane Battier is playing significant minutes at PF for the best team in the NBA. SHANE BATTIER.

Zach Randolph and David West (both mediocre) are the starting PF's for the two best defenses in the NBA this season.

How do these 3 teams, 3 of the final 4, get away with it? Primarily with elite perimeter defense (and a good rim protector helps too obviously, which we have in AD). Assuming AD improves to an A level defender, you can have a mediocre one next to him. You simply cannot compensate for a bad primary perimeter defender as easily. It destroys your schemes.


For us to be a contender we need one of two things: a top 5 player (or 2) or a top 5 defense. We don't have the former obviously, so we should focus on the latter. Burke, or any other PG that cannot apply effective, physical ball pressure (wut) and guard the pick and roll well is not an ingredient for a championship caliber defense. He'll make our offense a little better, provide some intangibles, and keep us from being an elite defensive team. Not interested.

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Originally Posted by Ogden Park

Burke, or any other PG that cannot apply effective, physical ball pressure (wut)

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Originally Posted by endlessHIMdark

Sources tell the Times-Picayune that the Pelicans like the idea of pairing Michigan PG Trey Burke with Greivis Vasquez.
The Hornets hold the No. 6 overall pick in June's draft. If they think Vasquez is capable of playing the shooting guard spot, they can try to trade Eric Gordon and target Burke in the draft. They also have Austin Rivers, last year's disappointing No. 10 pick, on the roster. Still, the bigger hole for the Pelicans is at small forward, where starter Al-Farouq Aminu is a free agent.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2122/trey-burke

Also of note:
NBA teams are testing Lehigh G C.J. McCollum to see if he can play point guard.
If McCollum can shed a tweener label, he could rocket up as high as the top-5. He measured in at 6'3/197 at the Combine, which would be an asset at the point guard spot. The problem is that he never played the position in college, failing to ever top 3.5 assists per game. Of course, Damien Lillard was a similarly high-scoring guard from a small school that never averaged more than 4.5 assists in college. He won Rookie of the Year honors this season while dishing out 6.5 assists.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2135/cj-mccollum


I'm really starting to be ok with Burke. I'm still partial to Porter and Oladipo but I can get on the Burke train too.

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I hope the team does not look at Rivers, as a disappointment. I hope they noticed that he played great, in that Lakers game, before he got hurt.

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Originally Posted by Ogden Park

Yes, our defense had many issues. But it all started on the perimeter.

Saying poor post D is harder to overcome than poor PERIMETER D (you can't generalize one and not the other) is simply not true. Talk about silly. It is 10x easier to double in the post than the perimeter, there are far more ways to compensate post D, and not to mention the striking lack of quality low post scorers in the league.

Shane Battier is playing significant minutes at PF for the best team in the NBA. SHANE BATTIER.

Zach Randolph and David West (both mediocre) are the starting PF's for the two best defenses in the NBA this season.

How do these 3 teams, 3 of the final 4, get away with it? Primarily with elite perimeter defense (and a good rim protector helps too obviously, which we have in AD). Assuming AD improves to an A level defender, you can have a mediocre one next to him. You simply cannot compensate for a bad primary perimeter defender as easily. It destroys your schemes.


For us to be a contender we need one of two things: a top 5 player (or 2) or a top 5 defense. We don't have the former obviously, so we should focus on the latter. Burke, or any other PG that cannot apply effective, physical ball pressure (wut) and guard the pick and roll well is not an ingredient for a championship caliber defense. He'll make our offense a little better, provide some intangibles, and keep us from being an elite defensive team. Not interested.

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I think he makes our offense significantly better because he can get out into transition much faster then finds players for easy baskets and the ability to take care of the ball. Those two things alone are what kill Vasqeuz. Even if as you suggested all he does is play the passing lane that's even a upgrade over Greivis defensively. We are questioning Burke's ability to stay in front of the top end of the quickest PG. We know Vasquez can't stay in front the bottom of the leagues PG. That in itself is a significant upgrade.

David West is anything but a mediocre defender. He's improved alot the last 3 seasons. He's become a very good defender. Saying he's a mediocre defender is an ignorant comment.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is NOT high on Burke!

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Originally Posted by GameBreaker

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is NOT high on Burke!

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Not picking on you, but why the need to have other share your opinions?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Not picking on you, but why the need to have other share your opinions?

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Why do you feel the need to even ask that question?

I'm more interested in why you're not high on him, his defense?