Somehow or someway we need to get our hands on Crowder.. Celts take Brown and will likely get Gordon Heywood next offseason.. Pipe dreaming I guess.
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Somehow or someway we need to get our hands on Crowder.. Celts take Brown and will likely get Gordon Heywood next offseason.. Pipe dreaming I guess.
Just saw Bulls are shopping Taj Gibson and Tony Snell.
Gibson + Snell for Evans (+second round pick if needed, due to Tyreke's recent injuries).
Give us big man depth this year and clears out Evans, win-win all around.
Asik/Davis/Ajinca
Davis/Gibson/Diallo
____/Ennis
Hield/Pondexter
Holiday/Frazier
I don't really want Green, but who else we gonna sign? Out of all the other free agent small forwards he would be my 3rd or 4th choice. Green is a career 14 points & 5 boards player for 11 seasons and he hasn't really had any major injuries I believe. Maybe he has but I don't think so. I like him more than Bazemore cause he's too small. How was Barnes in the best possible situation to succeed when he had 3 other players getting all the shots and the finals MVP playing the same position as him?? Dude averaged like 8 shots a freaking game for crying out loud!! He had a great game 3 or 4 with 18 & 8. He wasn't the only one to have some bad games in the finals.
I've been semi obsessed with Taj coming to the Pels. I just think he's the hard nosed PF vet type that could make us so much better without it showing in the box score. And of course I've always considered him possibly obtainable.
This is the logic that terrifies me, and I really hope our front office doesn't go into FA with this mentality. If there is no one worth paying for, then don't spend money just because it's available. There are so many other uses for cap room other than just straight up signing free agents. Also, Jeff Green is not a good basketball player and has somehow managed to get contracts off of 4 or 5 teams now just off of the player they want him to be instead of the player that he has repeatedly proven he is.
Let just preface by saying I don't think there is a realistic best case scenario where the Pelicans get past the second round next year. So I am more concerned with the long term then next season.
I also am of the mindset that if you don't have the right person on the right deal to sign then don't sign him! That sort of thinking is why we have Asik on the contract he has. Because of "well, we gotta have someone this year to make a playoff push!" I would be just fine if this is another bridge year and we end up in the lottery again in next years deep draft.
As for Barnes, you are talking about a team and staff that has developed three draft picks into all stars. One a second rounder. Wherever Barnes will go he will never have the type of spacing and lack of defensive focus he was able to have in GS. He is not good in iso situations, is a poor passer and while an above average defender, it helps he has been playing with elite defenders on either side of him all game. When he has been given the chance to be a more focal point of the offense he has failed. You don't throw maxes at those players.
The difference between the performances of Thompson and Curry vs Barnes is summed up in this photo:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck5KshxVEAAyaM5.jpg
And despite the Cavs literally daring Barnes to beat them so they could blanket Thompson and Curry, he crumbled. Now you are saying lets give this guy near a max and rely on him to carry this team to the next level. No thank You.
Y'all act like we gonna find some super star to play small foward. That ain't gonna happen unless someone like Barnes reaches that which I doubt. We don't need a star really. We need a good compliment to Jrue, Buddy, & AD. IMO Barnes would be a perfect complement to those players. He can hit the open shots, play good defense, play small ball 4, rebound at a decent clip, and pass the ball to the open man. He's exactly what we need. I would much rather add Gordon Hayward or some other really good small foward, but it ain't happening. That is the one position that we need, but also happens to be one that is not in great abundance league wide. We not getting Batum, Parsons, Hayward, or even Bazemore IMO. I rather Barnes than Gallinari, but maybe we can add him next offseason. I guess we could add Evan Turner, Marvin Williams, Matt Barnes, Jared Dudley, Gerald Green, or Chase Budinger. We may have a legitimate chance to add Barnes, so we should try to make that happen IMO. If not then I guess we could add one of those guys I listed or Jeff Green as a stop gap for a couple seasons.
No I'm not saying he needs to carry us to the next level. I'm saying he needs to complement what we have and do what he did in Golden State. He should do even better considering he won't have Steph, Klay, Draymond, and Iggy on this roster. And if you think Barnes wasn't a key contributor to that 73 win team then you crazy. They may still pay him the max and that goes to show you that he is very important to one of, if not the best teams to ever suit up!!
If Erman and Gentry believe Barnes is worth signing then I trust their opinion over anyone else here.
White side plans to find his home on July 1st, so dominos will fall quickly.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16...-future-july-1
100% agree. It's not like we have a bunch of scrubs here either. Barnes with a slightly bigger role here getting a few more shots a game and creating for himself a little more here is all we need. With his work ethic I have no reason to believe he can't get better over each year over the next few years going into his prime.
And the guys behind team USA(which know a lot more about basketball that's this whole message board combined) must think he will a damn good contributor cause he's going to Rio!! I don't see Bazemore, Parson, or any of them other retreads I listed going to Brazil.
Durant should string along the Warriors so that the lose their other free agents then go back to OKC.
Exactly. You can say, "only sign a guy if it's a good deal" but what a good deal is, is very relative to the team. With SF being very thin across the league that good deal might be a max contract.
Some might say 15% higher than you'd prefer to pay is not a good deal but if the difference between having a good SF to start or having a huge hole you're trying to fill with D-Leaguers is 3-4m/yr then I'd rather pay the extra money.
You understand a cap exists right? That Barnes is poised to command at least 22% of our cap space if we sign him to his expected market value? Almost as much as AD will make.
No one is saying Barnes is trash(at least not me) but you are advocating to pay him leading man type money while conceding he should only be a compliment similar to how he was in GS. Which is a 4th or 5th scoring option most nights.
You realize the Warriors have tried to let him create for himself right? And it has not worked out. He is also not a good passer. Which is ok when you are playing with 3-4 great passers on the court with you at all times.
Asking him to be any more then a 4th option is asking him to do more then he has shown he is capable of doing under an organization with a great track record of developing talent. And if you are signing a 4th option, you are vastly overpaying going with Barnes.
Well if we wait till next year whoever we sign will make even more "leading man" money!! I guess we could just roll with Jrue, Buddy, & AD as a big 3 and fill out the rest of the roster with older, retread players on the cheap. That's good model I guess, but I want to try to keep AD and make the playoffs!!
There are other ways to acquire talent. The draft and trades still exist. Get this team healthy and playing well and the value of a number of guys climbs up.
I just think we have already seen what happens when we overpay to fill a need with players we know are less then optimal for the role long term.
You get stuck with bad contracts while losing flexibility and limiting your long term prospects.
You have to take chances on players when you are a franchise like us. We not getting any big name guys. I don't see Kevin Durant walk in through that door and donning a Pelican's uniform. We don't have anything worth a damn to try and trade for a star. So we have to take a chance on a player that is young and IMO can be a lot better than what he showed in Golden State. This may all be moot if Golden State pays him "leading man" money over their 3 stars which sounds like may be the case. They are not a stupid franchise, I can tell u that. Who else fits what Barnes can possibly give us? Batum? Maybe but he's not coming. If we want to show AD that we are serious about winning, we need to bring in good players!! With Barnes making the damn Olympic team, that should raise his status among players big time IMO.
Ok well Parsons may have made the team if healthy. I guarantee Bazemore wasn't asked cause he would of not have turned it down. And if you believe any of those other guys were asked then I don't know what to tell you.
And I'm sure since both are free agents they would of made it known WORLD WIDE they were in the running for the Olympic team!!
I can't believe that fans wouldn't want to add a player that made the Olympic team!! LOL! Y'all act like we made the playoffs last season or something lollol
Agreed! Somehow people here know more than the Warriors, Team USA, Dell, and Gentry/Erman who have worked with his kid. Each one of those guys has forgotten more basketball then anyone here knows so if Barnes is who we bring in I trust them. Nobody in FA that we can get has the potential that Barnes has to improve going into his prime. He had a good year helping his team win 73 games with the potential to be very good. I'm taking that risk unless there is a better option and as of now there isn't.
Take wiser risks is my point. Barnes is not a wise risk. Its an even more obvious bad risk then Eric Gordon was, Omer Asik was, and James Posey was.
If your goal is winning long term, paying Barnes leading man money is the wrong long term strategy. Christian Laetner made an Olympics, so did Demar Derozan. I wouldn't pay either of them their max for this team.
Harrison Barnes is Trevor Ariza with slightly better three point shooting and worse defense and I wouldn't pay Trevor Ariza 20+ million to come here. Trevor Ariza is actually a great analogy because like Barnes, he was overpaid coming off a championship team with the hope of him being a leading man when all indications were he wasn't one and wouldn't be one. Though at least Ariza had a reputation for showing up big in the post season.