21st November - New Orleans Pelicans @ Phoenix Suns - 5-9

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

Pawpaw played good tonight. I hate that it came at the expense of Frank and NAW, but a win is a win

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Agreed! I’m right there and absolutely love Frank/NAW with ideally it being them dominating.. but if it’s Moores night then I’m all for it as long as he’s a Pelican!

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Originally Posted by Nichols

The only thing I don't like.. which I mentioned in their last game.. Ingram and Jrue have 9 turnovers combined again.. They need to clean it up.

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Jrue’s turnovers were hard to watch because they were so boneheaded. He did make up for it on the fast break defense but his passes looked lazy at times.


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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

If we had lost tonight, you would be hiding in your cave like the pathetic troll you are. If you have something constructive to add instead of silly “I told you so’s” from hindsight, go ahead. You just come across as a petulant bore. Have a good night

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Never hide never surrender! JJackisnothappy and we won?

The question is, can we win one of the next two?

Great insight from Kenny on the postgame show!

Alvin might get another extension if we keep on winning

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

Jrue’s turnovers were hard to watch because they were so boneheaded. He did make up for it on the fast break defense but his passes looked lazy at times.


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Yea his turnovers felt more consequential. I expect that to change as the team gels. Or am I wrong? Is Jrue turnover prone?

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Alvin might get another extension if we keep on winning

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Pay the man! Maybe I’m in his will?!

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

The question is, can we win one of the next two?

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That is the hope. I can’t really see us taking either on the road, but it would be a pleasant surprise.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Yea his turnovers felt more consequential. I expect that to change as the team gels. Or am I wrong? Is Jrue turnover prone?

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I think you could say he is a little prone using his past.. but it has been worse this season imo due to the turn over of the roster being such a young team while having so many different lineups. We haven’t been able to run consistent lineups for more then a couple of games with crucial players missing a game here and there all season long. This team at full health for half the season is a 10+ win team easy!

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Pay the man! Maybe I’m in his will?!

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

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Lmao!

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Yea his turnovers felt more consequential. I expect that to change as the team gels. Or am I wrong? Is Jrue turnover prone?

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Not really. This year's 3.9 turnovers per game is a career high by a fairly large margin. His TO % is currently a little over 17%, when somewhere between 13 and 14% has been more common for the last 5 years or so.

lmao

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Yea his turnovers felt more consequential. I expect that to change as the team gels. Or am I wrong? Is Jrue turnover prone?

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My friend and i text towards the end of the half and 4th quarter to give our takes on most games and we seem to always be agreeing on Jrue’s turnovers coming at really bad times that seems to swing momentum. I guess you could say anytime is a bad time but i definitely get the impression that he is turnover prone by the eye test.

I mean he had a horrible three point shot attempt off the dribble with at least 15 seconds on the shot clock in the 4th... when we should have been draining the clock. That shot should count as a turnover as bad as it was. Seems to be just how he rolls though.


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Good to hear @pelicanidae/Guardian.. So it's just a matter of him getting acclimated to new teammates.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

My friend and i text towards the end of the half and 4th quarter to give our takes on most games and we seem to always be agreeing on Jrue’s turnovers coming at really bad times that seems to swing momentum. I guess you could say anytime is a bad time but i definitely get the impression that he is turnover prone by the eye test.

I mean he had a horrible three point shot attempt off the dribble with at least 15 seconds on the shot clock in the 4th... when we should have been draining the clock. That shot should count as a turnover as bad as it was. Seems to be just how he rolls though.


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Well hopefully Ball turns it up from a production standpoint, and Jrue can play what many of you believe to be his natural position, and that's a 2.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Alvin might get another extension if we keep on winning

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Please, don’t ever combine Alvin and extension again. Lol

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

My friend and i text towards the end of the half and 4th quarter to give our takes on most games and we seem to always be agreeing on Jrue’s turnovers coming at really bad times that seems to swing momentum. I guess you could say anytime is a bad time but i definitely get the impression that he is turnover prone by the eye test.

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I would agree that his turnovers do seem to come at inopportune times occasionally. Like you say, obviously any time is a bad time, but sometimes they do feel particularly bad.

Man looking at Ingram’s numbers on the season and he has been incredible! Kid has been nothing but a super star to start his Pelicans career. Ingram and Zion is going to be arguably the best and most dynamic duo in the NBA. Can’t wait to see this team with Zion on the court!

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Man looking at Ingram’s numbers on the season and he has been incredible! Kid has been nothing but a super star to start his Pelicans career. Ingram and Zion is going to be arguably the best and most dynamic duo in the NBA. Can’t wait to see this team with Zion on the court!

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Interesting that you say that. Reggie Miller seems to think Zion won’t play this year. He mentioned him looking heavier. I was like “ here we go with this”. I knew it was coming.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

Interesting that you say that. Reggie Miller seems to think Zion won’t play this year. He mentioned him looking heavier. I was like “ here we go with this”. I knew it was coming.

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Yeah, and it was very stupid. In his defense though, he did correct himself after halftime: apparently someone informed him that Zion was perfectly on schedule with his rehab and will be back mid-December.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah, and it was very stupid. In his defense though, he did correct himself after halftime: apparently someone informed him that Zion was perfectly on schedule with his rehab and will be back mid-December.

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I caught that too. He totally flipped script, and it even became part of the post game interview with JJ

Pels DRTG with Jaxson Hayes on the court the last 4 games. pic.twitter.com/ZJrHeHRQOf

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) November 22, 2019

That's 4 straight games where the Pels DRTG has been off the charts good with Jax on the floor. Some of it is luck, yes, but Jax is doing really well when he gets on the court.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Man looking at Ingram’s numbers on the season and he has been incredible! Kid has been nothing but a super star to start his Pelicans career. Ingram and Zion is going to be arguably the best and most dynamic duo in the NBA. Can’t wait to see this team with Zion on the court!

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Tried to tell you guys lol..

The data on him was misleading coming from the Lakers. They had no shooting coach, and did a ******** poor job of developing prospects. They also played Ingram at 1,2, and 3 with limited guidance.
You would have just had to watch the kid play to see how good he is and can be.

People thought Kuz, and Ball were actually better players, they're solid in their own right but they aren't on Ingram's level.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Pels DRTG with Jaxson Hayes on the court the last 4 games. pic.twitter.com/ZJrHeHRQOf

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) November 22, 2019

That's 4 straight games where the Pels DRTG has been off the charts good with Jax on the floor. Some of it is luck, yes, but Jax is doing really well when he gets on the court.

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I’m starting to think it’s not luck. He was playing the pick n roll to perfection tonight. His only problem was swiping down on the forced drives. None the less, he was always in position to protect the rim. He is really blossoming quickly and I believe it will be huge for Pels as the year goes along. Imagine all three centers being healthy, and one gets in foul trouble. The drop off is starting to become less and less.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

I’m starting to think it’s not luck. He was playing the pick n roll to perfection tonight. His only problem was swiping down on the forced drives. None the less, he was always in position to protect the rim. He is really blossoming quickly and I believe it will be huge for Pels as the year goes along. Imagine all three centers being healthy, and one gets in foul trouble. The drop off is starting to become less and less.

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What I mean by luck is that obviously the team's DRTG counts all shots, and that means that missed open-threes (we had a few of those tonight) count when he's on court when he obviously has nothing to do with those misses. Similarly, he shares a lot of time on the floor with Jrue, who is a very good defender, which helps.

But yeah you are right, he's shown some really dramatic development on defense since Summer League and his learning curve has been quick as heck.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

What I mean by luck is that obviously the team's DRTG counts all shots, and that means that missed open-threes (we had a few of those tonight) count when he's on court when he obviously has nothing to do with those misses. Similarly, he shares a lot of time on the floor with Jrue, who is a very good defender, which helps.

But yeah you are right, he's shown some really dramatic development on defense since Summer League and his learning curve has been quick as heck.

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Another thing I noticed is the shot selection by the opponent when he is on the court. Phx settled for mostly jumpers, but when Melli came in, they attacked the rack. That’s a good sign that he is already being feared as a paint protector. I know it’s obvious to attack Melli, but it used to be obvious to attack a 19 year old, slim framed rookie as well. So much potential in this kid!

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

Another thing I noticed is the shot selection by the opponent when he is on the court. Phx settled for mostly jumpers, but when Melli came in, they attacked the rack. That’s a good sign that he is already being feared as a paint protector. I know it’s obvious to attack Melli, but it used to be obvious to attack a 19 year old, slim framed rookie as well. So much potential in this kid!

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Well, Hayes prior to this game was the first Pelicans rookie to have 3 consecutive games with at least 2 blocks since Jeff Withey in 2014 :hihi: so if he does have a reputation, he's been earning it. Coming into this game, he was 12th in the NBA in blk%age (doesn't hit the leaderboards cause he hasn't played enough minutes yet, but 5.4% comes just after Alex Len at 11).

Hayes plays so hard that the opposing team always thinks he’s liable to make the extra effort...even when he may be out of the play. It’s going to be fun watching him grow.

I think the Pels are just in the perfect situation of vets and rookies putting pressure on each other. The stealing of minutes is a beautiful thing when it’s a healthy internal competition. That’s a real thing I think right now in the locker room.

Jrue was amazing defensively tonight. He was constantly around the ball and I think Reggie said he was up to 8 deflections in the game? (That Reggie Zion take is the epitome of Reggie commentating. Just dumb. He always commentates like it’s a horror show/ambulance right around the corner) I look at Devin Booker...and I think Jrue may as well ...look at him as one of his comparison rivals and he may have cemented himself head and shoulders as a player above Book tonight. At least he did to me. Talking eye test here on both ends.

BI - Adidas has to be calling up their old TMac designers working on his sig as we speak. He can cross the 23 point line so easily now...even on what was a nightmare night for him for most the way.

Finally...I know we Loooove to diss E’Twaun ...but hats off to that man. JJ set the table but Moore deserves credit for that second half. He hit timely shots tonight.

Big grind out win!

With a 6-9 record, we are now the sole holders of the 10th seed in the West. The Kings (9th) are 6-7, and the Suns (8th) are 7-7.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Great insight from Kenny on the postgame show!

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What he say?

Jaxson Hayes is now averaging 2.8 screen assists per game.
He is 15th in the NBA in screen assists per 36 minutes (among players with at least 200 minutes played).

He is the youngest player in the top 50 in both screen assists per game, and screen assists per 36: no other player is under 20.

Among players under the age of 21, Hayes is:

- First in Screen Assists per 36
- Third in Screen Assists per game
- Second in points off Screen Assists
- Seventh in deflections
- 13th in Shots Contested (5th in 2pt contests)
- Second in total blocks
- Ninth in Total Rebounds (3rd in offensive rebounds)
- Eleventh in Total Steals
- Tenth in Stl%age
- Third in Blk%age
- Tenth in points off turnovers

Lots of good numbers there

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Originally Posted by Wowowowow

Finally...I know we Loooove to diss E’Twaun ...but hats off to that man. JJ set the table but Moore deserves credit for that second half. He hit timely shots tonight.

Big grind out win!

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We? Not me. I like Etwaun. Great shooter and he's good at what he does.

I also think he'll bring back some good things when traded later.

Also espntmz has Hart out with a high ankle sprain. This true? If so he'll be missing for a while. :crytear:

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Originally Posted by luckyman

We? Not me. I like Etwaun. Great shooter and he's good at what he does.

I also think he'll bring back some good things when traded later.

Also espntmz has Hart out with a high ankle sprain. This true? If so he'll be missing for a while. :crytear:

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From the moment he got injured, it looked like his knee. All the injury reports from the Pels have said knee as well.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

Another thing I noticed is the shot selection by the opponent when he is on the court. Phx settled for mostly jumpers, but when Melli came in, they attacked the rack. That’s a good sign that he is already being feared as a paint protector. I know it’s obvious to attack Melli, but it used to be obvious to attack a 19 year old, slim framed rookie as well. So much potential in this kid!

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The 3rd QTR run while Hayes was on the floor. They didn't even try a single 2pt shoot. He anchors in the paint with help and that alone was enough deterrent to stop what was working in the 2QT.

Granted though... Gentry needs to to stop the 4 Guard line up. You know how you get a cold team to get hot. Give up eaay points at the rim and let them build a rhythm/confidence.

Pels have finally found their closer and his name is Brandon Ingram. What a performance in crunch time.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

We? Not me. I like Etwaun. Great shooter and he's good at what he does.

I also think he'll bring back some good things when traded later.

Also espntmz has Hart out with a high ankle sprain. This true? If so he'll be missing for a while. :crytear:

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We meaning me included.

Nights like last night are great, but he’s not the greatest basketball IQ player on the floor most nights. He’s like a old school backyard basketball player and I can see the attraction Gentry (a 65 year old) has with him because of that. Last night he hit his shots and I want to give him credit...but most of the time he does deserve the lashing he gets. But hats off to that man last night!

I need a bounce back game from NAW though. I hate the situation he was placed in only to basically be yanked because of that bad turnover. I do believe Gentry’s highlight skill as a coach is his ability to make young players want to please him while never losing their confidence. Utah doesn’t have a second year player like Jevon in the mold of Keith Bogans who’s fighting for his career out there so hopefully we get a bounce back game out there.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

The 3rd QTR run while Hayes was on the floor. They didn't even try a single 2pt shoot. He anchors in the paint with help and that alone was enough deterrent to stop what was working in the 2QT.

Granted though... Gentry needs to to stop the 4 Guard line up. You know how you get a cold team to get hot. Give up eaay points at the rim and let them build a rhythm/confidence.

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I think last night ...not speaking on the first half, because I agree that 4 guard lineup was disastrous in the first half when we lost that lead....But last night in the second half you could tell based on the heartbeat of the game Gentry was itching to keep Jaxson out there. He would have played him the entire second half if he could have lol (and if Hayes didn’t pick up those rookie whistles). His presence was that good last night.

Wow did Ingram come up clutch or what? He could't get anything to fall for four quarters then BAM! 4th Quarter was all his. I love this kid. I love this team when healthy, just as long as we don't go four guards.

We were missing Okafor, Favors, and Zion. Because of the way the modern day NBA works, we already went into the season with less bigs than normal, but when you're also missing your top 3, you're forced to do lineup changes that aren't necessarily the best.

The dude is so negative he's essentially a troll. Best to ignore him.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

We were missing Okafor, Favors, and Zion. Because of the way the modern day NBA works, we already went into the season with less bigs than normal, but when you're also missing your top 3, you're forced to do lineup changes that aren't necessarily the best.

The dude is so negative he's essentially a troll. Best to ignore him.

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Who is the troll?

Great win! Sad I couldn't stay up to watch, but it looks like BI and JJ were on fire and Jax has really solidified the C spot with his defense. The great thing is he will only get better as he grows into his frame. It will be interesting to see how we lineup this weekend against Utah. Whether Ball gets more time with Jrue to help us match-up against Mitchell and Conley.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

LoL you fangirling for Kenny because he had 9 rebounds yet ignore Moore’s 19 points off the bench on 8-12 shooting? Yet you try to bash it with the old +/-.. sad!

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i told you ingram was going to step up and take over in the second half lol...dude was in foul trouble and still playing defense....you,,luckyman,,myself and one or two other posters were saying ingram was going to avg 20pts for us but was shot down with just stats but the eye test also means something when critiquing a player......we have to lock this dude up to hold down our SF spot....

as for moore,,he was our best 3pt shooter last season and good at moving without the ball and slashing to the rim for the pass and score with his floater..he can get 10 easy points just doing that....moore had some big games for us last season until he got hurt........moore need consistent mins until the trade deadline and he can get us 12-15pts.......sad thing is that we will keep seeing petty comments about moore every game thread just nitpicking.......

and im glade gentry didnt play NAW...he has been bad not running the offense and just jacking up shots....sitting him down for some games might get him on the right track.....it did frank some good last season when gentry sat him after the first GS game when frank look like a deer in the headlights.....after the trade deadline frank was playing good ball and got his stuff together in the off season and now frank has up his game some imo.....

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

We were missing Okafor, Favors, and Zion. Because of the way the modern day NBA works, we already went into the season with less bigs than normal, but when you're also missing your top 3, you're forced to do lineup changes that aren't necessarily the best.

The dude is so negative he's essentially a troll. Best to ignore him.

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You want Favors back? LOL

What I liked about last night is some players really stepped up and made shots when we needed to make them. What I hope we improve on is cutting the massive lulls in play where we struggle to do anything coherent on the court for 7.5 minutes. When you are making shots, you can mask it, but the last 7 minutes of the 2nd quarter we couldn’t buy a basket.

I’m okay with shots not falling. Sometimes they just don’t fall. Don’t make it easy on the defense and stop the ball. Make em chase it and force them to make desperate switches and traps so that we can get open players. And less of the BAD turnovers that result in easy buckets. Overall, I’m proud of the guys for pulling it out.

JJ proving to be a shrewd signing. BI really gives me a lot of hope for the future with Zion. He seems really happy to be here which almost brings a tear to my eye. Hayes looks a hell of a prospect. Can’t wait to see Zion on the court.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

You want Favors back? LOL

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Awesome. More ridiculous troll rhetoric to bump later.

Question ladies and germs....

When is the earliest Zion will be able to play? Mid-December, later?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by PelDave

Question ladies and germs....

When is the earliest Zion will be able to play? Mid-December, later?

Thanks.

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His 6 - 8 week timeline would be from call it December 3rd - 17th. Possibly longer given some of the return language by the FO of 'we will not rush it.'

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

You want Favors back? LOL

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Yes. Hell yes. Do you watch basketball?