Draft Prospects Discussion

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Coach Cal felt confident enough in Murray's defense to put him on Simmons and he did a pretty good job.

Is he really 6'4" He looks 6'7" at moments.

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He was measured 6'5" in shoes with a 6'8" wingspan in 2014.
Good chance he has grown since then.

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jamal-murray

would LOVE if Cat Barber is available when we pick in the second round. Could be a great backup PG

I really want J. Murray. I think he is better than Booker

Watching what is happening with Boogie has me thinking. Say we don't get that top 5 pick, and the best players available are Hield, Dunn, Murray, Brown, or Poeltl, give me either Hield or Dunn. Nothing against the guys who are 1 and done in college, but the guys who have been in school for 3 and 4 years understand leadership, and how to be one. Those 1 and done types, or the guys who came straight out of HS don't quite understand what it means to be a leader on such a high level.

I think of the Heat and how they really lucked into DWade. He had the experience to be a leader, and when Bosh and LBJ came to Miami, he was the leader of that group, not because he was there first, but because he had been a leader for nearly a decade.

I am not saying that 1 and dones can't be leaders in time, but what this team needs is a talented leader. Someone who can command the respect of others, and be a key piece in getting this team pointed in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Watching what is happening with Boogie has me thinking. Say we don't get that top 5 pick, and the best players available are Hield, Dunn, Murray, Brown, or Poeltl, give me either Hield or Dunn. Nothing against the guys who are 1 and done in college, but the guys who have been in school for 3 and 4 years understand leadership, and how to be one. Those 1 and done types, or the guys who came straight out of HS don't quite understand what it means to be a leader on such a high level.

I think of the Heat and how they really lucked into DWade. He had the experience to be a leader, and when Bosh and LBJ came to Miami, he was the leader of that group, not because he was there first, but because he had been a leader for nearly a decade.

I am not saying that 1 and dones can't be leaders in time, but what this team needs is a talented leader. Someone who can command the respect of others, and be a key piece in getting this team pointed in the right direction.

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I agree and don't forget about Valentine.


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Ingram

Brown

Dunn

Murray

Luwawu

These are my picks if we can get anyone.

Dunn shooting struggles and health has given me pause honestly.

There are some truly bad mock drafts out there.

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/11/nba...brandon-ingram (who are we drafting?)
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/1...er-ben-simmons (76ers gm gets fired)
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/ (I like the player, but not that early)

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Dunn shooting struggles and health has given me pause honestly.

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I have cooled on Dunn as well because of the same issues though I really like his leadership and drive and wouldn't be mad if we picked him. I just like 5 or so other guys better. I really hope the kid does well though wherever he goes.




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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

There are some truly bad mock drafts out there.

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/11/nba...brandon-ingram (who are we drafting?)
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/1...er-ben-simmons (76ers gm gets fired)
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/ (I like the player, but not that early)

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I thought that sbnation draft was terrible as well, seriously Jaylen Brown at 3rd, and Buddy Hield at 14? I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by frankatank109

I thought that sbnation draft was terrible as well, seriously Jaylen Brown at 3rd, and Buddy Hield at 14? I doubt it.

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No the pels fanse base is unreasonable high on Heild, he's college good but he will be a back up in the NBA.

If Jamal Murray is on the board and we don't pick him I would go ape****.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

No the pels fanse base is unreasonable high on Heild, he's college good but he will be a back up in the NBA.

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Honestly it can go plenty of ways with him. His character alone and his drive may push him past expectations (Curry,Leonard, Butler) all done this. He is also a true leader and a closer. And most importantly, he is a good kid with a big heart. You can never count those guys out. He can improve his handles, he can improve his defense capabilty, because a player like will want to be the best, which on our team ATM we really don't have (DAT DRIVE AND DETERMINATION DOE)

I wont be pissed if we drafted him, but i would be skeptical to see how he translates.

His floor is Reddick Orlando days, his Ceiling is Harden/Ray Allen IMO

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

No the pels fanse base is unreasonable high on Heild, he's college good but he will be a back up in the NBA.

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You really have a personal vendetta against the guy huh? haha. NBA size, NBA skill set, beyond the baseline measurables needed to have strong success that numerous others have had and succeeded with. All with one of the highest work ethics and character in the draft.

SBnation is the outlier on Hield. DE has him at 9. NBAdraft.net has him at 6 to us. HoopsHype has him at 7 to us. CBS has him at 12. Chad Ford has him at 9 and trending up.

You know who is actually overvaluing someone relative to where most draft sites evaluations have them?........Just saying, rocks and glass houses and all that.

My only concern with Hield is the hero ball he plays and his shot selection. This could all be due to the lack of talent he is surrounded with at OU though. It only concerns me because I see a little of Reke's negatives in him sometimes. He may be a different player when surrounded by Jrue and AD; knowing that he has guys to trust with the shot. He is still easily in my top 10 players for us.


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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

If Jamal Murray is on the board and we don't pick him I would go ape****.

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Murray is a ASSASSIN but he raises flags with his athleticism and defense. Also his age may play factor due to this organization impatience

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Originally Posted by JrueDat

My only concern with Hield is the hero ball he plays and his shot selection. This could all be due to the lack of talent he is surrounded with at OU though. It only concerns me because I see a little of Reke's negatives in him sometimes. He may be a different player when surrounded by Jrue and AD; knowing that he has guys to trust with the shot. He is still easily in my top 10 players for us.


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When I hear him talk about who is model players are my concerns of IQ fall away. He admits needing to learn to play off the ball better(which he has done), to be more capable as a rim and 3 shooter. Working on defense and adjusting to how the NBA game is evolving.

Tyreke on the other hand thinks his way works well enough for him so don't mess with it and I prefer you not to ask me to change too much. Tyreke also lacks that fire and hatred of losing that frankly, no one on this team currently has it seems. Except maybe AD to an extent.

Hield's hero ball seems more along the lines of what you want: A guy who can take smart shots in the clutch and hit them.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

There are some truly bad mock drafts out there.

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/11/nba...brandon-ingram (who are we drafting?)
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/1...er-ben-simmons (76ers gm gets fired)
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/ (I like the player, but not that early)

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I was just checking these out and I had to go read up on Wade Baldwin and then watch some video of him play..... it does make sense how he is shooting up draft boards. I mean, he does have a 6'10" reach while being a 6'3" PG. He does shoot 3's at 41% and averaging 5.2 assists in college is damn good. He is only 19 too.

I wonder about his athleticism? Cant really tell in the videos i watched

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iLS-BcPGcY

How does anyone think this guy is just a role player in the NBA?

Man Valentine almost had a triple double tonight. Dude is in my top 5.


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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

I was just checking these out and I had to go read up on Wade Baldwin and then watch some video of him play..... it does make sense how he is shooting up draft boards. I mean, he does have a 6'10" reach while being a 6'3" PG. He does shoot 3's at 41% and averaging 5.2 assists in college is damn good. He is only 19 too.

I wonder about his athleticism? Cant really tell in the videos i watched

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Most mocks I've seen don't even have him being drafted, and in CNNs he is a top 6 pick?

Somebody hit the pipe before they made that mock...and hard.

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Originally Posted by JrueDat

Man Valentine almost had a triple double tonight. Dude is in my top 5.


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And he has the vet leadership.

Man omg Buddy almost made a unbelievable shot!

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Man omg Buddy almost made a unbelievable shot!

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I actually thought it was good.

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Originally Posted by Impose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iLS-BcPGcY

How does anyone think this guy is just a role player in the NBA?

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WOW. Dude looked like freakin Kobe in that highlight video.

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Originally Posted by Impose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iLS-BcPGcY

How does anyone think this guy is just a role player in the NBA?

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His shot selection is bad, he's bullying guys in the nba he can't, and hes not quick enough to get by nba defenders and the best think about him is his shooting and those come a dime a Non top 3 Murray or LUwawu and Im' happy

This is why I'm so high on this guy look at this one sequence form defense to to offense with the help and finding an open man as a sf.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-11-2016/IJE5dv.gif

The guy who covers DX scouting

Brandon Ingram, Ben Simmons, Dragan Bender, Jaylen Brown, Skal, Poeltl, Dunn, Murray, Ellenson, Luwawu. https://t.co/zIVYqaK1Hs

— Mike Schmitz (@Mike_Schmitz) March 11, 2016

Some more of his passing, this exactly what we need a versatile defending wing who passes and can score. he has fits Dell model of players with experience while he also has room grow.

Potentieller Lottery-Pick in der Draft 2016 Timothe Luwawu:
-attackiert Closeout und findet Mitspieler pic.twitter.com/PrYtd83DNi

— Sebastian Seidel (@Sebastianctcb) March 8, 2016

Gute physische Voraussetzungen für einen Wing:
-Größe: 6`7
-Wingspan: 6`11
-Gewicht: 205lbs
-überragende Athletik pic.twitter.com/dqaUwy7pEz

— Sebastian Seidel (@Sebastianctcb) March 9, 2016

Offensive highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFd1PmYpomA

Defensive skills

https://youtu.be/OM5wXs8SQIM?t=1m49s

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

His shot selection is bad, he's bullying guys in the nba he can't, and hes not quick enough to get by nba defenders and the best think about him is his shooting and those come a dime a Non top 3 Murray or LUwawu and Im' happy

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You are using his ability to outclass college players as a negative? I have no idea how that makes sense, but then you trumpet a euro-baller.

Do y'all think we would be able to get Skaal Labasserie in the early second round? He has high bust potential, but if he works out (and puts on some weight), his game is a perfect complement to AD imo.

Hields shot selection isn't going to be an issue for two reasons:
1) he makes them.
2) he won't be taking some of those same shots in the NBA

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

You are using his ability to outclass college players as a negative? I have no idea how that makes sense, but then you trumpet a euro-baller.

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Yes, because college players are shorter, weaker, and slower than nba player. A lot of things he does to dominate college just won't translate. He doesn't have great ball handling skills to create space or quickness to get by defenders. He's also not explosive to get to the rim. He is very skilled and I think his shooting will be legit but he's another 1 dimensional player that we've all complained about with Ryan, Gordon, Gee, and Asik. Meanwhile the Euro baller plays in the 2nd best leauge in europe on the best team playing major mins. His defense is already NBA ready guarding 1-3 6'7 with a 7'2 wingspan good 3 pt stroke has a nice pull up jumper and a good passer, he's already a great athlete which we lack. So either we get a great 3 point shooting and is mainly a scorer or a guy in a position of need with pro experience that does it all.

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Originally Posted by frankatank109

Do y'all think we would be able to get Skaal Labasserie in the early second round? He has high bust potential, but if he works out (and puts on some weight), his game is a perfect complement to AD imo.

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I don't think there is any shot he falls into the second. He's probably going in the 10-18 range from everything I've seen. But I love his potential and if we could sneak back into the first somehow and grab him I would be elated.

Of the top 10 who is the best two way player?
That's who we should target. One dimensional players are a thing of the past.

Anyone know which player in the draft can play on both sides of the ball? Valentine?

Everybody needs to tune in to watch Jamal Murray play.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

Yes, because college players are shorter, weaker, and slower than nba player. A lot of things he does to dominate college just won't translate. He doesn't have great ball handling skills to create space or quickness to get by defenders. He's also not explosive to get to the rim. He is very skilled and I think his shooting will be legit but he's another 1 dimensional player that we've all complained about with Ryan, Gordon, Gee, and Asik. Meanwhile the Euro baller plays in the 2nd best leauge in europe on the best team playing major mins. His defense is already NBA ready guarding 1-3 6'7 with a 7'2 wingspan good 3 pt stroke has a nice pull up jumper and a good passer, he's already a great athlete which we lack. So either we get a great 3 point shooting and is mainly a scorer or a guy in a position of need with pro experience that does it all.

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Bro, stop. Seriously.

So it is a positive for the guy you like to dominate subpar Euro players but for Hield it is a negative. I guess every NBA college player should be knocked for dominating college ball? Ridiculous.

And no matter how many times you want to re-write reality, it is just not going to happen. Hield measures out just fine, absolutely fine in the athleticism and size department: McCollum, Devin Booker, Reddick, Matthews, Afflalo, Beal and Oladipo are all players that measure out close to where Hield is currently slotted at in terms of athleticism and size.

And if Luwawu's defense is NBA ready based on decent but not great defense in Euro ball, then so is Hields. But truth be told NEITHER are ready to defend at a high level in the NBA. In fact they literally grade out equally in that department.

Again, prefer Luwawu all you want, just stop with this hypocritical evaluation and this obviously biased prism you are viewing each through. It really discredits your ability to objectively evaluate talent.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Of the top 10 who is the best two way player?
That's who we should target. One dimensional players are a thing of the past.

Anyone know which player in the draft can play on both sides of the ball? Valentine?

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Simmons

Dunn

Murray

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Bro, stop. Seriously.

So it is a positive for the guy you like to dominate subpar Euro players but for Hield it is a negative. I guess every NBA college player should be knocked for dominating college ball? Ridiculous.

And no matter how many times you want to re-write reality, it is just not going to happen. Hield measures out just fine, absolutely fine in the athleticism and size department: McCollum, Devin Booker, Reddick, Matthews, Afflalo, Beal and Oladipo are all players that measure out close to where Hield is currently slotted at in terms of athleticism and size.

And if Luwawu's defense is NBA ready based on decent but not great defense in Euro ball, then so is Hields. But truth be told NEITHER are ready to defend at a high level in the NBA. In fact they literally grade out equally in that department.

Again, prefer Luwawu all you want, just stop with this hypocritical evaluation and this obviously biased prism you are viewing each through. It really discredits your ability to objectively evaluate talent.

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I like Valetine over Heild also I'm not a fan of one dimensional scorers. We need guys who can do it all and I like Valentine size and strength.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Of the top 10 who is the best two way player?
That's who we should target. One dimensional players are a thing of the past.

Anyone know which player in the draft can play on both sides of the ball? Valentine?

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I think Valentine. Watch him yourself right now on CBS if you can. Valentine also plays in a fast uptempo offense like Gentry runs.


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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

I like Valetine over Heild also I'm not a fan of one dimensional scorers. We need guys who can do it all and I like Valentine size and strength.

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Valentine's scoring repertoire is about equal to Hield's. They are of a similar size right now and Hield actually has the better frame to keep adding muscle while Valentine is knocked because his size level is likely maxed out due to his frame.

And for someone so concerned with athleticism at the next level, Valentine does actually get a red flag here because he is below what you would want as a baseline for athleticism in the NBA. I like Valentine though, I think he too will have success in the league. Possibly more then Hield if he lands right and can translate his passing. This draft is actually shaping up to have some quality guard talent pretty deep into the draft.

Murray shoots that three off of screens just like JJ Reddick.

I like Layman as a second round pick. Actually reminds me of a slightly smaller Ryno.


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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Valentine's scoring repertoire is about equal to Hield's. They are of a similar size right now and Hield actually has the better frame to keep adding muscle while Valentine is knocked because his size level is likely maxed out due to his frame.

And for someone so concerned with athleticism at the next level, Valentine does actually get a red flag here because he is below what you would want as a baseline for athleticism in the NBA. I like Valentine though, I think he too will have success in the league. Possibly more then Hield if he lands right and can translate his passing. This draft is actually shaping up to have some quality guard talent pretty deep into the draft.

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Heild is 6'4 with a 6'8 wingspan and Valentine is 6'6 with a 6'10 wingspan Both are great shooter Hield is the better scorer but Valentine is also a better passer and rebounded who also plays with a high IQ.

dejounte murray from u of washington is a possibility gang, like it or not

I like Jackson from ND. Pels need a point guard that looks to distribute. With a player maker, Davis will become a one of the best. I think a true PG will elevate Asik's contributions. Right now the Pels' point guard has stats not wins.

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Originally Posted by frankatank109

Do y'all think we would be able to get Skaal Labasserie in the early second round? He has high bust potential, but if he works out (and puts on some weight), his game is a perfect complement to AD imo.

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No way Skal falls to the 2nd round. He might not even make it out of the top 10.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

Heild is 6'4 with a 6'8 wingspan and Valentine is 6'6 with a 6'10 wingspan Both are great shooter Hield is the better scorer but Valentine is also a better and rebounded who also plays with a high IQ.

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Both are high IQ players. Length doesn't matter if you can't move your hips and stay in front of NBA caliber players.

Hield has that athleticism, scouts seem to question whether Valentine does.

Like I said, I really like Valentine, I even catch myself wondering if when all is said and done he doesn't become one of the best in this class. Both he and Hield do so much that NBA offenses look for that I have a hard time thinking either won't make it in some capacity.

We need to get Murray!! This dude is a freaking stud and the next Devin Booker. He is even better then Booker was but they both have a lot of similarities.

I'm scared that Jamal Murray is going to rise to much on the draft boards and we won't be able to get him. The kid is a beast.

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Originally Posted by Bert123

I'm scared that Jamal Murray is going to rise to much on the draft boards and we won't be able to get him. The kid is a beast.

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If we stay at 6 he's ours he won't go pass 7