Game Thread Pelicans vs Mavs 11/1/14

How is it that Gordon only had 6 shots but this loss is on him

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

AD JRUE AND REKE AWESOME

gordon terrible

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

So in an effort to make a comeback, we let Tyreke jack jumper up after jumper? Are u ****ing kidding me?

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"We."

That's on Tyreke. He has to find the shooters. It's what you get when you have low IQ players on the team, and we have a lot. They stuggle in pressure moments.

I hope Kevin Durant isn't watching this game, it might make him reconsider signing here.

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Originally Posted by speedyG

I think the problem is more we dont have a clear closer yet.

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That is a criticism I would accept. But we don't want a Kobe. That shouldn't be the aim. We need to have an offense in place where we know our roles, we know our teammates strengths, and we have go-to plays that can get us the type of looks we need with the best players in that situation taking that shot.

If we have a hot hand then yeah, go with it, but tonight the closing minutes were drowned in bad shot selection and hero ball. Mostly by Jrue and Evans and to an extent Gordon. Monty needed to cut that **** out quick and find some set plays.

On the positive side, AD posted 31/15.

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Originally Posted by ItIsRynosTime

So the Pelicans "best play" is to have Tyreke Evans launching 3's and jumpers. What a dumb team.

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Why is Ryno not doing that...or Jimmer...or Jrue?

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

How is it that Gordon only had 6 shots but this loss is on him

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He was absolutely pig awful. He didn't impose himself at all... We pay this guy a f***ing fortune and he throws up bricks and turns the ball over for nothing.

Whilst I'm at it....Asik has concrete gloves on. So clumsy under the rim

I wish I had never watched that 4th quarter. That was an embarrassment to basketball. 15 points in the 4th quarter.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

On the positive side, AD posted 31/15.

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And 3 blocks.

AD is the truth. Everyone else is a question mark.

T. Evans F 37:00 22
A. Davis F 42:48 31
O. Asik C 32:49 13
E. Gordon G 34:14 0
J. Holiday G 36:57 24

109 to 104.

Just think, had our starting 2 scored just 6 points, we would have won tonight. But Gordon couldn't get even 1. Could Jimmer have done better? We'll never know, but it's really hard to say he could do worse than 0 points.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

"We."

That's on Tyreke. He has to find the shooters. It's what you get when you have low IQ players on the team, and we have a lot. They stuggle in pressure moments.

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True, but in that situation I would have 3 point shooters in the game to begin with. And I would run something that resembles a set play. That's what I meant by we. As in Monty.

So need a game recap. Understand the hate on Gordon. He was completely invisible.

Monty you're drunk.

three pretty rubbish quarters of basketball by the pels. full credit to dallas though, hard screens all night, good ball movement.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I hope Kevin Durant isn't watching this game, it might make him reconsider signing here.

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That team wouldn't have Gordon.

MAVS are REALLY good. They have Chandler back and Parsons is a very good SF.


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Originally Posted by Mythrol

So need a game recap. Understand the hate on Gordon. He was completely invisible.

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And when he was visible, it was for the wrong reasons.

Monty has ALWAYS struggled to finish close games. We would chalk it up as tanking for the first couple years, injuries for the last year, if we don't start playing smarter basketball in clutch time when the score is close I can't put the blame anywhere else then the coach.

Monty will just complain about Jimmer after the game.

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Originally Posted by England_Hornet

He was absolutely pig awful. He didn't impose himself at all... We pay this guy a f***ing fortune and he throws up bricks and turns the ball over for nothing.

Whilst I'm at it....Asik has concrete gloves on. So clumsy under the rim

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How can you "impose" yourself when you don't get the ball?

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Originally Posted by ItIsRynosTime

I wish I had never watched that 4th quarter. That was an embarrassment to basketball. 15 points in the 4th quarter.

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The say that hind sight is 20/20 (or 50/50 depending on who you ask), but this game DOES end differently if Ryno is on the court for the meat of that 4th qtr. there is no mystery. That was a down right 76er tanking job by Monty.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanned

T. Evans F 37:00 22
A. Davis F 42:48 31
O. Asik C 32:49 13
E. Gordon G 34:14 0
J. Holiday G 36:57 24

109 to 104.

Just think, had our starting 2 scored just 6 points, we would have won tonight. But Gordon couldn't get even 1. Could Jimmer have done better? We'll never know, but it's really hard to say he could do worse than 0 points.

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Thanks for continuing to drag down the collective IQ of the board with your posts that don't add anything.

Dallas is a far more experienced team. I'd expect this early in the season as our players learn to play together.

Gordon might need more time.

Honestly it wasn't like Ryno was lighting the world on fire. He couldn't seem to get much going either.

Monty Was terrible tonight . Awful

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

So need a game recap. Understand the hate on Gordon. He was completely invisible.

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There really should be no hate. He barely touched the ball

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

True, but in that situation I would have 3 point shooters in the game to begin with. And I would run something that resembles a set play. That's what I meant by we. As in Monty.

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True, but you never know what Monty actually called in the huddle.


Either way, I'm more impressed with this team after tonight then the Orlando game. There are some huge issues, but I see the potential.

If only we'd give up on hard hedging the PnR. It drives me insane.

The explosive, lean, mohawed EG lost the damn game against the dreaded Mavs.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanned

T. Evans F 37:00 22
A. Davis F 42:48 31
O. Asik C 32:49 13
E. Gordon G 34:14 0
J. Holiday G 36:57 24

109 to 104.

Just think, had our starting 2 scored just 6 points, we would have won tonight. But Gordon couldn't get even 1. Could Jimmer have done better? We'll never know, but it's really hard to say he could do worse than 0 points.

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Given his play after the last game, asking for 3 might have been to much. But like you said, who knows, what he gives up on defense wouldn't have been any more than we were giving up already.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

How can you "impose" yourself when you don't get the ball?

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Demand it?..work yourself into the game? Earn it? Make the shots you get?

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

There really should be no hate. He barely touched the ball

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That is just crazy. I don't care who you are, you shouldn't play 30+ min and post almost all 0s across the board except fouls.

Dallas was switching everything. And I don't think there was enough time for a set play for a 3. Reke had the hot hand and is really the only guy who can always get a shot off.

It's game 2 and that's a legit playoff team. Not to name call, but the overreaction is really foolish.

Message to Monty:
Bench Eric Gordon and we can win us some games.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

The say that hind sight is 20/20 (or 50/50 depending on who you ask), but this game DOES end differently if Ryno is on the court for the meat of that 4th qtr. there is no mystery. That was a down right 76er tanking job by Monty.

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He was a defensive liability tonight

I think Monty and the son of a coaching friend are mainly to blame.

offensive fouls lost this game. whether some should have been blocking fouls or not is a different story. but that was the big momentum changer

We also got nothing from our bench. Per usual. It's embarrassing. Rivers and Jimmer were no shows once more. I expect that to be a regular thing. The things we can do with EJ's salary once he's off the books...

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

He was a defensive liability tonight

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Given his play after the last game, asking for 3 might have been to much. But like you said, who knows, what he gives up on defense wouldn't have been any more than we were giving up already.

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#1 Which Pelican played defense tonight?
#2 Given Gordon's play tonight, will Monty bench him next game? I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

He was a defensive liability tonight

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Who wasnt? The score was 109-104.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Monty has ALWAYS struggled to finish close games. We would chalk it up as tanking for the first couple years, injuries for the last year, if we don't start playing smarter basketball in clutch time when the score is close I can't put the blame anywhere else then the coach.

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I have actually defended Williams in the past but he appears to be regressing. He just looks like a deer in the headlights. He knows that he now has enough talent and thus under more pressure to win. He is crumbling under the weight of the expectations. I don't expect him to be coaching this team next season.

What about giving some credit to Dallas? They are a FAR more experienced team after all.

It's just hard to say we gave our best shot when our most expensive player gave us a 0-1-1-0-0 and 2 fouls in 34 minutes.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

We also got nothing from our bench. Per usual. It's embarrassing. Rivers and Jimmer were no shows once more. I expect that to be a regular thing. The things we can do with EJ's salary once he's off the books...

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Jimmer, is a shooter and for 4 minutes he never had a play run for him. THAT is bad coaching. You have to see what you get game to game. He was rubbing his socks getting warmed up and he had to leave the game. Too funny. I am ambling over to the group that says the guy isn't treated fairly.

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Originally Posted by Asteptooslow

Jimmer, is a shooter and for 4 minutes he never had a play run for him. THAT is bad coaching. You have to see what you get game to game. He was rubbing his socks getting warmed up and he had to leave the game. Too funny. I am ambling over to the group that says the guy isn't treated fairly.

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Hopefully you'll leave as fast as they will too.

I doubt Monty will bench Gordon. Jimmer went 0-6 last game and still saw a few minuets tonight. Besides, I believe Monty still thinks he can get something out of Puddin. Those guys will suffer the same fate.

We lost to a better team.

You realize that benching your starting 2 guard 2 games into the season is absurd right?

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Originally Posted by DRDJ1

The explosive, lean, mohawed EG lost the damn game against the dreaded Mavs.

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Don't be silly, no he didn't. We are a team that as a whole is still struggling to find cohesion on both sides of the ball, find our optimal roles when on the floor with certain lineups, and optimize our lineups and minutes.

Far too much selfish plays that resulted in turnovers. Evans great run means nothing when he takes numerous bad shots in the closing minutes and ignores other guys with better looks. He tried to be Kobe and he isn't Kobe. Ryno needs to be smarter with the shots he takes. Far too many bad contested twos. Salmons is a waste of minutes and gave up a couple points and provided nothing on offense. Rivers is continuing to struggle on both offense and defense. Frankly there was NO reason why Rivers should of been the sole ball handler when the lineup was Rivers, Gordon, Ryno, Davis and Asik and he kept screwing up. That is the perfect time when you give Gordon the ball and let him go to work and try and get him involved after a rough start.

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Originally Posted by Asteptooslow

Jimmer, is a shooter and for 4 minutes he never had a play run for him. THAT is bad coaching. You have to see what you get game to game. He was rubbing his socks getting warmed up and he had to leave the game. Too funny. I am ambling over to the group that says the guy isn't treated fairly.

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QFT.

I'm sorry, but taking Jimmer out after 3:39, and leaving Gordon in for 34 minutes is the epitome of dumb coaching.