Pelicans to meet with Oden {EDIT-Oden chooses Miami,P.61}

Is Oden working out for teams, or is he going the Andrew Bynum route? And does anyone know how far off his game he has fallen off?

I am for bringing Oden in. The price is most assuredly right when talking $3 mil. I just wonder what he can give us.

One of the reports said his agent said teams will need a few weeks to sift through the medical reports. My guess is that he'd look fine in a workout but the question is how will he hold up long term. Should you only play him 15 minutes a night and not on back to backs? Can you even get that much out of him?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

That, or stressing the point that he is a bean pole.

Wright is much better than people give him credit for. He has come along nicely for a pf/c his size, with his 8/5/1 average. I would take that from my big. His defense is solid (much more solid than the much touted, older Al Jefferson that many were clamoring for).

But this point is moot as Dallas is going to bring him back.

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So you think teams were looking at Jefferson for his defense? If Wright's offense were anywhere near Jefferson's this would be relevant. It is not.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

At 280 lbs of muscle, if Oden can play 15mpg that would be perfect. I really don't care if he's lost anything offensively. Just need someone to defend and rebound.

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This.

IMO, this team is missing 2 pieces that should be getting around 15 mins/game; a defend and rebound Center and a 3 and defend SF.

But I don't think they are necessity with the rotations.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

So you think teams were looking at Jefferson for his defense? If Wright's offense were anywhere near Jefferson's this would be relevant. It is not.

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I think Jefferson after a few years in the league realized his calling card wasn't going to be his defense so he focused on his offense. Wright is caught in the middle, not willing to focus on one thing or another so he suffers in mediocrity.

I don't know if someone has said this but on HoopsHype.com they said Oden is looking for somewhere safe where he can resume his career and have the team be patient with him. Shoot I think that's the perfect opportunity for him here. I mean we've already been through it once, why not try for this guy?

Link?

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Sources close to Oden say they have been looking for a “safe” place for Oden to resume his career and that they are looking for an organization that is willing to be patient with Oden and have the right kinds of expectations for him.

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http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-rum...-summer-league

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Link?

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http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-rum...-summer-league

Last section of the article...

https://twitter.com/ericpincus/statu...70825761423360

This is less than the 44m initially reported. Does this allow us to offer oden the roughly 1million more we were looking for.


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The New Orleans Pelicans’ pursuit of free agent Greg Oden is not an empty gesture. In fact, sources close to the situation say the Pelicans could be offering a two-year deal worth more than $3 million annually to ensure they are the team that lands the former number one overall pick.

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http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-rum...medium=twitter

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Originally Posted by WhoDatPelican

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-rum...medium=twitter

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2 year deal? hopefully its a 2nd year team option.

2 year deal worth more than 3 mlns per year? Uh....all right

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

2 year deal? hopefully its a 2nd year team option.

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yea...thats what i am hoping. We shall see. I trust in Demps/Loomis.

If that's what's being reported it seems to me it would make sense that it was structured in the Lopez fashion. 1st yr guaranteed with team option to pick up yr 2&3 after year 1. I doubt we'd want to offer just 2 years guaranteed, because if it works out, we'd have no bird rights to resign him (need 3years).


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Originally Posted by pjk481

https://twitter.com/ericpincus/statu...70825761423360

This is less than the 44m initially reported. Does this allow us to offer oden the roughly 1million more we were looking for.


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I don't think that is legit.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

I don't think that is legit.

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Just what pinkus tweeted. Mike Mcnamarra said he is looking into it.


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He told us it was a "mistweet" Said it is for $44 mil with salaries declining.

Jason is working with Larry Coon, who has access to real figures. They have exchanged about 7 emails these last few days, so I will trust Coon and 42 over anybody. We should have all the numbers soon enough.

He corrected to say $44,000,004

Yeah, the big part is if the salary is truly declining. That will be huge in year 4, as that is the year where AD's extension kicks in and Ryno and EG will be coming up for new deals

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

He told us it was a "mistweet" Said it is for $44 mil with salaries declining.

Jason is working with Larry Coon, who has access to real figures. They have exchanged about 7 emails these last few days, so I will trust Coon and 42 over anybody. We should have all the numbers soon enough.

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Thanks for checking that out. Looking forward to what Coon has to say.

All I know is the If they want Oden and Oden want the Pelicans the deal will get done. In Dell I trust and with Loomis on the case too, the $$ is not a worry. that dude is a wizard with cap numbers.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Yeah, the big part is if the salary is truly declining. That will be huge in year 4, as that is the year where AD's extension kicks in and Ryno and EG will be coming up for new deals

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Yeah, with Lopez, GV and Harris, it would appear that we can take back around $12 million in salary in the first year. That would leave $32 million over the last 3. I am not sure how much differential we can offer each year, but given that we are likely to be over the cap next year as well, we may be able to allocate a decent amount to next year to let it taper to under $10 million in the last year.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the Heat appear to be one of the front runners to go after Marcus Camby once he's officially bought out from the Raptors. I think that is going to make a lot more sense for them and will probably be a veteran minimum contract. There is no way they come close to the $3 million offer for Oden due tot he luxury tax IMO.

I'm with everyone else in thinking this has a real shot in happening and I almost say that it really should happen for both sides. It just makes a lot of sense. And god help the league if Oden does play next to Anthony Davis at anything near what he's capable of being.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Yeah, the big part is if the salary is truly declining. That will be huge in year 4, as that is the year where AD's extension kicks in and Ryno and EG will be coming up for new deals

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Michael, what does your gut tell you about our chances of actually landing Oden? I'm worried he may be using us to drive up his asking price with teams like Miami or San Antonio.

You can decline as much as you increase - 4.5% per year. According to Hoopsworld, Evans will cost

11.8, 11.26, 10.73, 10.2

Again, I will wait for Larry Coon to confirm, but that would be nice to just have to owne Reke and Holiday 22 mil in 2016-17. By then, those contracts will be a super bargain. Cap should be around 63 million by then. Davis will get 15. Rivers will have a 4.2 mil QO. Long story short, if everything works out, there is no reason we can't re-sign Ryno and EG if we want to

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Originally Posted by Adam the Legend

Michael, what does your gut tell you about our chances of actually landing Oden? I'm worried he may be using us to drive up his asking price with teams like Miami or San Antonio.

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I think he is the one guy, or one of the few, to say no to one of those teams for us. The exposure in Miami might be too much for him right now. As for SA, I think they are a real threat.

I keep going back and forth. Now that I know we have the money, I think we have a solid chance. I actually think we are the minor favorites. 40%- us 35- Miami 20 - SA 5- Dallas

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

You can decline as much as you increase - 4.5% per year. According to Hoopsworld, Evans will cost

11.8, 11.26, 10.73, 10.2

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Could be more than 4.5% though, since we never gave an offer sheet and it was sign and trade right? Signing with Sac would allow for 7.5% raises/declines.

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Originally Posted by ml wave

Could be more than 4.5% though, since we never gave an offer sheet and it was sign and trade right? Signing with Sac would allow for 7.5% raises/declines.

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No, we asked about that, and it is in Coon's FAQ. Long story short, they can not do 7.5% increases or decreases if it is a S&T per the new CBA. They wanted to put an end to that so players would be more enticed to stay

I have to check this while I am by my notes tonight, but here is my guess:

The base package, total compensation was set as part of the fangled offer sheet. This was affected by the market and cap room options at the time.

Once agreed upon, it can be changed.

The otherwise unnecessary inclusion of Harris allows a larger first year salary than the free agent first year nay have been. This would allow a declining or zig-zag deal (see Anderson). Cap room is no longer a factor in the trade, just matching rules, but the overall negotiatiin was set and enabled by the cap room.

Will confirm later.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the Heat appear to be one of the front runners to go after Marcus Camby once he's officially bought out from the Raptors. I think that is going to make a lot more sense for them and will probably be a veteran minimum contract. There is no way they come close to the $3 million offer for Oden due tot he luxury tax IMO.

I'm with everyone else in thinking this has a real shot in happening and I almost say that it really should happen for both sides. It just makes a lot of sense. And god help the league if Oden does play next to Anthony Davis at anything near what he's capable of being.

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Seriously, the potential... ugh I can't start letting myself think that way :hihi:

But IF...

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

You can decline as much as you increase - 4.5% per year. According to Hoopsworld, Evans will cost

11.8, 11.26, 10.73, 10.2

Again, I will wait for Larry Coon to confirm, but that would be nice to just have to owne Reke and Holiday 22 mil in 2016-17. By then, those contracts will be a super bargain. Cap should be around 63 million by then. Davis will get 15. Rivers will have a 4.2 mil QO. Long story short, if everything works out, there is no reason we can't re-sign Ryno and EG if we want to

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I have been checking spotrac daily on salary updates for evans, they finally put something up today. And they have it declining:

Year 1 - 10,300,000
Year 2 - 10,763,500
Year 3 - 11,227,000
Year 4 - 11,690,500

Got some smart {edited} on this board!

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

I have been checking spotrac daily on salary updates for evans, they finally put something up today. And they have it declining:

Year 1 - 10,300,000
Year 2 - 10,763,500
Year 3 - 11,227,000
Year 4 - 11,690,500

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If your post is accurate, that is not declining.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

If your post is accurate, that is not declining.

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Yeah sorry that was a typo. Just got done reading his post about how the hopes were that it was declining every year.

Report: Pelicans consider offering Greg Oden a two-year contract http://t.co/GlSUbub3U0

— Kurt Helin (@basketballtalk) July 18, 2013

Im fine with two years

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

No, we asked about that, and it is in Coon's FAQ. Long story short, they can not do 7.5% increases or decreases if it is a S&T per the new CBA. They wanted to put an end to that so players would be more enticed to stay

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Ok, thanks. I wondered if a S&T restricted the raises like it does with length...couldn't find it in the FAQ.

won't we be over the cap either way next year? that year won't hurt us, we'll still only get the MLE with or without him under contract

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

won't we be over the cap either way next year? that year won't hurt us, we'll still only get the MLE with or without him under contract

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We still have to pay attention to the luxury tax.

Lets get this done! I'm salivating to see a healthy Oden (Maybe one day) stand next to Anthony Davis. A deadly front court if Oden can have any semblance of working knees. He is well worth the risk. Pay for the value in the commodity. It pays off in the long run more so than anything you can shake a stick at for Stiensma and any other big on the roster next to Davis.

the problem i have with 2 years is that we wouldn't have his birds rights but i don't think i would go 3 either.

I keep imaging oden actually being healthy and tearing it up and then us losing him because we can only pay him the MLE that would be such a waste.

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Originally Posted by Vinny6420

Im fine with two years

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Yeah me too! It's still a low risk high reward deal!!

3 years 3mil/year for his Bird rights would be fine by me. He will be expiring when we need to sign our core. Plus the potential would be awesome.

Maybe a 3 year w/ team option 3rd year? Tis is all assuming we'd get his bird rights with a 3rd year.

If we sign him, and he comes back full-force, this team will be too appealing for him to walk out on. My gut just tells me he'd be very appreciative after all the trouble he has gone through.

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Originally Posted by Smow-

If we sign him, and he comes back full-force, this team will be too appealing for him to walk out on. My gut just tells me he'd be very appreciative after all the trouble he has gone through.

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The problem is without his Bird Rights we can't sign him to a big contract because we are over the cap right?

The momentum is building Oden will be a Pelican in due time


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Soon we shall win up all the NBAs.

So I guess it's down to us, SA and Miami.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...llas-mavericks

**or maybe not

I'm worried about why we are the only one saying how much we offer to him, looks like we only there to increase his value...