Pelican draft workouts

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I think the people saying McLemore can't put the ball on the ground are kind of overstating it.

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if he couldn't do it at all then he would be a borderline first rd pick

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

So could Danny Green until he couldn't. If you can't put the ball on the floor and create for yourself, eventually a team will shut you down in a long series.

See: Peja in Game 7, 2008 and Danny Green last two games.

Meanwhile Oladipo is more Kawhi Leonard to me. Will defend like a beast and can get you rebounds and points in unorthodox ways

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i would definitely prefer oladipo

but that is unfair to mention green and peja with regards to mclemore...peja(hornets version) and green were shooters, not scorers...mclemore is more of a scorer than those guys

And Rivers can handle the ball as good if not better than almost everyone in the league. But right now, he isn't a scorer at all. McLemore is a much better athlete than Peja & Green.

With that said, there's a reason scouts are calling this a weak draft at the top. There's no stud that's the clear #1 pick. There's not one single player you can look at right now and say with relative confidence that this person will make multiple All Star games. You can't really compare this to other drafts, you have to look at it in a vacuum and take the best player in this draft & the best player that fits your roster.

If Austin pans out, Mclemore would be a great fit next to him.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Oladipo and McLemore.

Question I ask myself is: Who would have looked better in last night's game?

Only question that really matters to me. We say "Well I think this guy can average blah and blah...." Who cares? Only one team wins a title. How do you think each of those guys would look in a game like that? Projecting forward, which guy do you think helps his team more in a game like that, not game 47 of the regular season?

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Each guy has a few skills that definitely could bolster a playoff contender. Oladipo could be a strong defender, one of the best athletes in the draft, fantastic finisher at the basket and in transition. I'm not sold on him as a scorer, but he posted a crazy-efficient season offensively; considering he's a defensive prospect primarily, that gives him a lot of upside.

McLemore I don't think ever becomes a guy like (a healthy) Eric Gordon who can go hunt for himself, isolate, get 20+ ppg on a regular basis. But I think you can run him off screens till the cows come home. His stroke isn't a fluke - 42% from 3 and 87% from the line as a freshman tells you you can be pretty comfortable that this is a guy who can fill it up from range. We definitely need shooters, and elite shooters who are athletic enough to run the floor and hold their own defensively aren't plentiful.

I think both guys compare favorably to a guy like Brad Beal last season, and Beal really looked like a player in the second half last season.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Oladipo and McLemore.

Question I ask myself is: Who would have looked better in last night's game?

Only question that really matters to me. We say "Well I think this guy can average blah and blah...." Who cares? Only one team wins a title. How do you think each of those guys would look in a game like that? Projecting forward, which guy do you think helps his team more in a game like that, not game 47 of the regular season?

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I think McLemore could have an impact similar to Danny Green. Oladipo similar to Kawhi Leonard (but at the 2/3 instead of 3/4).

Obviously Leonard had the bigger impact, especially in games 6 and 7.

I have Oladipo number 1 for a reason. Oladipo will be able to be effective without having any plays drawn up for him. In messy hellish games like we tend to see in the Finals, I think Oladipo strives. I worry about McLemore being relied upon in big moments. He really did not step up when Kansas needed. Maybe there was a complex with all of the seniors around him, but his aggressiveness has been pointed out going back to high school days. Quote from a Jonathan Givony scouting report from January 2011 - "he seems to lack both the aggressiveness and ball-handling ability to make use of his impressive athleticism." This has been a problem for a while. I also find Oladipo's (shooting consistency, ball handling) flaws to be more correctable than McLemore's (aggressiveness, ball handling).

McLemore is not close to Ray Allen. Just because he has a nice jumpshoot and can come off screens does not make him Ray Allen. He's more Danny Green than Ray Allen at this point.

I still really like McLemore. I think he has the potential to be a 3rd or 4th banana on a championship squad. However, I'm taking Oladipo over him every time.

Here is what I wrote two months ago on what the Pelicans should do if McLemore is the pick

http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...perfect-pairs/

Stars aligning?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Here is what I wrote two months ago on what the Pelicans should do if McLemore is the pick

http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...perfect-pairs/

Stars aligning?

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Good writeup. Like a few of those ideas.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Here is what I wrote two months ago on what the Pelicans should do if McLemore is the pick

http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...perfect-pairs/

Stars aligning?

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I totally forgot about that, but I was thinking we should definitely sign Iguodala if we draft McLemore.

I still would try to trade Gordon though. I don't think Gordon is a point guard except for spot minutes. His vision isn't bad, but his passing was really all over the place. If he plays at SG, I don't want McLemore to get used to a bench role. I think with his mindset, he may accept it when his potential is much higher than that. I think he's going to have to be forced into a key scoring role (1st or 2nd option) if we want him to be more than a 10-12 point guy (i.e. Danny Green).

I also think Jennings could be a good fit with McLemore, but Iguodala is the best fit. Imagine the fastbreak lead by Iguodala with McLemore, Davis, and Anderson. :love:

There are just too many conflicting reports. What happened to the MCW being higher on everyone's boards? I'm going to take this with a grain of salt... Can we just end this hell and start the draft already? Mama mia

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Good writeup. Like a few of those ideas.

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Yeah, obviously Len shot up since then. If he is the pick, I like guys like Reddick and Martell Webster to help spread the floor.

Next three weeks are going to be beyond huge.

I still believe that there are some teams who view Carter-Williams as a better prospect. I don't think that changed.

We are going to have a guy on from ESPN, Amin Elhassan, who loves MCW. He worked in the Phoenix front office for 6 years and just came over to ESPN. In the "experts mock draft" yesterday, he drafted for Phoenix and picked MCW:

5. Phoenix Suns

The pick: Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse Orange

The Suns get a player with upside who can contribute right away. Carter-Williams has the size and the length to allow Phoenix to play with a big backcourt with Dragic, although he'll need to improve his perimeter shooting considerably for that vision to be realized. -- Amin Elhassan

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...ks-first-round

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

If so that is still wrong. There were many times this season where we had a 2 on 1 or 3 on 2 FB opportunity and GV would come literally stop running and walk up the floor. Fast pace is not GV's style, and I'm not saying that is what we need in a PG I just don't get the comparisons or lack there of by Miles.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

We are going to have a guy on from ESPN, Amin Elhassan, who loves MCW. He worked in the Phoenix front office for 6 years and just came over to ESPN. In the "experts mock draft" yesterday, he drafted for Phoenix and picked MCW:

5. Phoenix Suns

The pick: Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse Orange

The Suns get a player with upside who can contribute right away. Carter-Williams has the size and the length to allow Phoenix to play with a big backcourt with Dragic, although he'll need to improve his perimeter shooting considerably for that vision to be realized. -- Amin Elhassan

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...ks-first-round

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When you say "We are going to have," do you mean on the next podcast?

we are getting ahead of ourselves..i highly doubt burke is locked up at 2...not being reported anywhere else

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

We are going to have a guy on from ESPN, Amin Elhassan, who loves MCW. He worked in the Phoenix front office for 6 years and just came over to ESPN. In the "experts mock draft" yesterday, he drafted for Phoenix and picked MCW:

5. Phoenix Suns

The pick: Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse Orange

The Suns get a player with upside who can contribute right away. Carter-Williams has the size and the length to allow Phoenix to play with a big backcourt with Dragic, although he'll need to improve his perimeter shooting considerably for that vision to be realized. -- Amin Elhassan

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...ks-first-round

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I find this hard to believe when they just picked Kendall Marshall last year.

Pelicans general manager Dell Demps travels to Washington to evaluate shooting guard Victor Oladipo

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New Orleans Pelicans general manager Dell Demps traveled to Washington on Friday to get a thorough evaluation of Indiana shooting guard Victor Oladipo, league sources confirmed.

Oladipo's draft stock appears to be dropping and he could be available when the Pelicans select at No. 6 in next Thursday's NBA draft. Oladipo, 6 feet 4, 213 pounds, was projected to be a top five pick, but some updated mock drafts now have him going as low as seventh to the Sacramento Kings.

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http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.s...general_m.html

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

Pelicans general manager Dell Demps travels to Washington to evaluate shooting guard Victor Oladipo



http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.s...general_m.html

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There are just so much back and forward with information. One minute everybody loves a guy the next minute he's a bum. I can't recall a year where there was this much movement.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

There are just so much back and forward with information. One minute everybody loves a guy the next minute he's a bum. I can't recall a year where there was this much movement.

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It's crazy. Honestly, if you had the #1 who would you take? It really depends on who you are as compared to most other years..

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

There are just so much back and forward with information. One minute everybody loves a guy the next minute he's a bum. I can't recall a year where there was this much movement.

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But none, or at least most of it, is not real.

It is funny to me when we say a guy is sliding or rising. The draft only happens once. The guy goes where he goes in that one simulation of the draft. Sliding or rising is an actual thing. I actually slide down the mountain, I fall.

There is nothing real about a guy "sliding" in the draft, because it only happens one time. To slid or rise, you need a minimum of two events, one in which the guy is higher than the other (or lower than the other).

What I am getting at is that none of this is real. It is all a process that ends on one day, and all the days before that are a process. If we want to say something like, "That guy slid on Chad Ford's mock draft (relative to the last one Ford did), that is fine. That is real.

Anything else is just perception. X guy is perceived to be #3 because Y GM told some reporter he was interested to drum up trade value or to scare the agent of guy Z for some reason.

Long story, short, is that guys dont slide or fall. We are just led astray by draft experts who are led astray by GM's, until we finally get the truth on June 27th.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

But none, or at least most of it, is not real.

It is funny to me when we say a guy is sliding or rising. The draft only happens once. The guy goes where he goes in that one simulation of the draft. Sliding or rising is an actual thing. I actually slide down the mountain, I fall.

There is nothing real about a guy "sliding" in the draft, because it only happens one time. To slid or rise, you need a minimum of two events, one in which the guy is higher than the other (or lower than the other).

What I am getting at is that none of this is real. It is all a process that ends on one day, and all the days before that are a process. If we want to say something like, "That guy slid on Chad Ford's mock draft (relative to the last one Ford did), that is fine. That is real.

Anything else is just perception. X guy is perceived to be #3 because Y GM told some reporter he was interested to drum up trade value or to scare the agent of guy Z for some reason.

Long story, short, is that guys dont slide or fall. We are just led astray by draft experts who are led astray by GM's, until we finally get the truth on June 27th.

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I'm not really buying into to all the talk. Just commenting on all the back and forward from so called experts with their so called sources.

Well the experts (dont like that word, and either do most of the "experts") do have sources. They are not "so called"

The issue is how often the sources are giving them good intel vs. how often do those sources use the experts to push an agenda.

I know a lot of people like to think these reporters just like to make stuff up for fun or page views, but I dont find that to be the case. When they are wrong, or something they say will happen comes doesnt come to light, it is usually because they were being used to get a message out to someone else for an alternative reason.

http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content...le-sources.gif

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Well the experts (dont like that word, and either do most of the "experts") do have sources. They are not "so called"

The issue is how often the sources are giving them good intel vs. how often do those sources use the experts to push an agenda.

I know a lot of people like to think these reporters just like to make stuff up for fun or page views, but I dont find that to be the case. When they are wrong, or something they say will happen comes doesnt come to light, it is usually because they were being used to get a message out to someone else for an alternative reason.

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Why they are wrong so often really isn't important. It's the fact that they're wrong and often is why I don't give it too much thought. No disrespect to anybody doing their best to get info out.

So many factors can change things. I mean the GMs do their jobs, but what if the Magics owner really, really, really likes CJ McCollum? And he overrules the guys that are on his payroll? Could wind up with McCollum going 2nd for no reason and carking up the whole draft.

Based on nothing, just saying.

This draft will be very fun.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

So many factors can change things. I mean the GMs do their jobs, but what if the Magics owner really, really, really likes CJ McCollum? And he overrules the guys that are on his payroll? Could wind up with McCollum going 2nd for no reason and carking up the whole draft.

Based on nothing, just saying.

This draft will be very fun.

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That would be amazing :hihi:

@FletcherMackel: REPORT don't be surprised if Pelicans acquire 13th pk from Mavs, select Giannis Adetokunbo. NOLA also gets Shawn Marion, send Mavs future pk

Nobody is going to beat that rumored deal from the Cavs.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

@FletcherMackel: REPORT don't be surprised if Pelicans acquire 13th pk from Mavs, select Giannis Adetokunbo. NOLA also gets Shawn Marion, send Mavs future pk

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I would cry from happiness, but it sounds line ole Fletch is just pulling a fletch.

"Aquire" eh? :hihi: Don't bother explaining how they magically do that, Fletch

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I would cry from happiness, but it sounds line ole Fletch is just pulling a fletch.

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Fletcher has been harping for this exact deal to occur for months...

Sounds like he's just tooting his own horn at this point.

Bledsoe/Rivers
Oladipo/FA
Brewer/Giannis
Davis/Anderson
Lopez/Smith

A guy can dream, right?

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Bledsoe/Rivers
Oladipo/FA
Brewer/Giannis
Davis/Anderson
Lopez/Smith

A guy can dream, right?

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I seriously doubt Giannis would come over this year.

I wouldn't even want him to come over now....but if this happens would we still be able to do something in FA?

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Originally Posted by Smirk

I seriously doubt Giannis would come over this year.

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Nah not at 195 :hihi: But yeah just playin around.

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Originally Posted by wuggie

I wouldn't even want him to come over now....but if this happens would we still be able to do something in FA?

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His money doesn't count until he comes over, if certain procedures are followed (a letter, essentially).

I would take McLemore all day long over Oladipo, but I could see why people love what Oladipo brings. I think both are just touching the surface of what they can truly become. McLemore reminds me of JR Smith, but not a head case or as assertive. The guy can shoot 3s and give you the slashing highlight dunks that we as fans love. Victor Oladipo reminds me of Tony Allen and its almost unreal how a like they are IMO. He will give you a non-stop motor and just aggravate the hell out of who he is guarding that they almost give up. Now if he can give you scoring to go along with his defensive potential then watch out, but right now that's not a for sure outcome. I could see why Dell wouldn't like him cause he is short for the position and we already have a short 2 guard on the roster. I think with time McLemore can gain that killer instinct that he is missing, but is it such a bad thing. If the only weakness he has is that he doesn't want to take over games than I can live with that. I would much rather like someone like him that sounds like a great team player. I think if he goes to a team that will count on him to be the main option out the gate, then he may never live up to expectations. I think the reason most like myself want him more than any other, is because we have never had a shooting guard with those qualities. I was so excited when we drafted JR Smith, but we all know how that turned out.

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Originally Posted by Smirk

His money doesn't count until he comes over, if certain procedures are followed (a letter, essentially).

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I meant with Marion's contract if would still any money left to do something?

These "reporters" are just trying to get clicks and get their name out there for their own careers. Otherwise they would do their due diligence, and use their own experience before blogging out every "source" nugget they come across. Some of this is even pushed by these reporters own bias towards certain players, like last year with the T-P trying to push the crap out of Tyler Zeller for that 10th pick, who ended up going 17th.