2013 Playoffs Discussion Thread

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I think the whole situation is overblown right now.

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Exactly what I was trying to get at lol

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Originally Posted by 42

Paying a guy who refuses to play is stupider is the point.

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Agreed. BUT..who are we to know how his knee and body is responding to his type of play?? Only he knows and the kids toughness and character have never been a question. He's actually been known as a very tough guy that played thru many injuries.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Exactly what I was trying to get at lol

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What I was saying is I think the media made him a consensus top 5 player more than his play. I think he's more Russell Westbrook in terms of talent level than the top tier guys.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I hear ya. I don't really care either cuz he's not on the pelicans. But he had a very bad injury and the way he plays the game is scary after tearing an acl. I was just mainly responding to the TRADE HIM posts. Lol

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What I said what that a rational team would consider trading him. Not considering it is irrational. Trading him depends on the market, and maybe they can't get good value, but I'd quietly probe.

I would get a star that wants to play for you.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

What I was saying is I think the media made him a consensus top 5 player more than his play. I think he's more Russell Westbrook in terms of talent level than the top tier guys.

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We'll just have to agree to disagree then. Rose in my mind was top 5 Pre injury. Could really care less where the media ranks him.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Agreed. BUT..who are we to know how his knee and body is responding to his type of play?? Only he knows and the kids toughness and character have never been a question. He's actually been known as a very tough guy that played thru many injuries.

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What has he done for me lately? 2, 4, 6, 8, go get me a teammate?

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Originally Posted by 42

What I said what that a rational team would consider trading him. Not considering it is irrational. Trading him depends on the market, and maybe they can't get good value, but I'd quietly probe.

I would get a star that wants to play for you.

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With his talent u don't wait n see how he plays? Whether it be this year in playoffs or next season before trading him? I understand atleast probing tho lol

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Originally Posted by 42

What has he done for me lately? 2, 4, 6, 8, go get me a teammate?

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In your opinion was rose a top 5 player Pre injury?? If not give me the 5 ahead of him.

Rose loves chicago. Chicago is his home town. He wants to win. Maybe you guys forgot how good he was because hes been out for a year now. I dont know why guys are knocking his personality. Humble player. The bulls organisation let him decide whens hes ready to play. He is still contributing from a coaching stand point.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

What I was saying is I think the media made him a consensus top 5 player more than his play. I think he's more Russell Westbrook in terms of talent level than the top tier guys.

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Also, sorry but Westbrook is a TOP TIER guy. Not sure what planet u live on lol

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Also, sorry but Westbrook is a TOP TIER guy. Not sure what planet u live on lol

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That's my point. Rose is not a top tier guy. That's what planet

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

That's my point. Rose is not a top tier guy. That's what planet

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U said rose is more of the russel Westbrook talent level THAN the top tier guys. That implies he is NOT TOP TIER.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. Rose in my mind was top 5 Pre injury. Could really care less where the media ranks him.

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His team is doing the same thing without him as with him. Name me the other top 4 that can do that.

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Originally Posted by jdmcuc

Rose loves chicago. Chicago is his home town. He wants to win. Maybe you guys forgot how good he was because hes been out for a year now. I dont know why guys are knocking his personality. Humble player. The bulls organisation let him decide whens hes ready to play. He is still contributing from a coaching stand point.

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People used to think he was a sociopath in college if i remember correctly lol. I dont buy that, but hes always kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Hell, i dont like Steve Nash for the same reason.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

U said rose is more of the russel Westbrook talent level THAN the top tier guys. That implies he is NOT TOP TIER.

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Yes that's what I just said dude. Please read.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

In your opinion was rose a top 5 player Pre injury?? If not give me the 5 ahead of him.

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No. He's not very basketball smart. He's bulldog, and he can play. But he's not great and won't be.

Rose wasn't top 5 before his injury.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

That's my point. Rose is not a top tier guy. That's what planet

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Dude what u said implies Westbrook is NOT a top tier player.

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Originally Posted by 42

No. He's not very basketball smart. He's bulldog, and he can play. But he's not great and won't be.

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Give me the 5 ahead of him.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Dude what u said implies Westbrook is NOT a top tier player.

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I know. I'm saying neither are. I said rose is in the same tier as Westbrook. Who is not a top tier guy.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Yes that's what I just said dude. Please read.

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U replied to me telling u that Westbrook is TOP TIER...please read. Not talking rose now

So... How about them Warriors?

Go to any Bulls forum or community (Google only takes a second). They are starting to see just how much he's been baiting the nation with his "Only God knows" answers.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I know. I'm saying neither are. I said rose is in the same tier as Westbrook. Who is not a top tier guy.

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Ok well the way u responded back to my post talking Westbrook it sounded like u were meaning Westbrook was a top tier guy. Lmao. Never mind I got where ur coming from now.

Seriously... Let's draft the best shooter in the draft. This is getting silly.

Boy, Curry is hitting threes like they're layups.

Lol I was just about to post, this is redic; I meant they both are not too tier :hihi:

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

So... How about them Warriors?

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Haha beast mode curry is in. I'm tellin ya these warriors are a tough out and I've picked them to make the run to the finals. A healthy bogut is what has sprung them into finals territory IMO.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Lol I was just about to post, this is redic; I meant they both are not too tier :hihi:

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Hahaha I was so fn confused over here!!! I was like is that dude just messin with me or what!!!!! :hihi:

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

That's my point. Rose is not a top tier guy. That's what planet

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...what?

5 (more in case you have beef) players better: Paul, James, Wade, Durant, Harden, healthy Dwight (since we can imagine this), healthy Love, healthy Chandler, Tony Parker, and I'll say Marc Gasol. There are more, and will be at least one more soon . . . Davis.

Also, anyone in a uniform?

Must draft CJ Calhoun. :hihi:

Warriors are too good on offense. Its not fair.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

...what?

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THANK YOU!!!!!! Help me eman!!!! Lol

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

...what?

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Top tier is top 5 in my scale that probably doesn't matter to the world. I do not consider rose top tier player.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Top tier is top 5 in my scale that probably doesn't matter to the world. I do not consider rose top tier player.

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Who's the guys u have ranked ahead of him?

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Originally Posted by 42

5 (more in case you have beef) players better: Paul, James, Wade, Durant, Harden, healthy Dwight (since we can imagine this), healthy Love, healthy Chandler, Tony Parker, and I'll say Marc Gasol. There are more, and will be at least one more soon . . . Davis.

Also, anyone in a uniform?

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Chandler,gasol,Parker,WADE!!!!!:eek:..harden don't belong either. IMO. I guess u can make an argument for the others but just don't see it.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Who's the guys u have ranked ahead of him?

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Draymond Green, Jarod Sullinger, Jarret Jack, Dennis Schroeder, Dave Hopla

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Who's the guys u have ranked ahead of him?

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1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Chris Paul
4. Dwayne Wade
5. Kobe Bryant

The reason rose isn't considered top tier is he is not a good defender at all. In fact I think westbrook right now is the better player because he is an upper echelon defender. If Westbrook were on the bulls and didn't have a Durant he needs to defer to; he'd be a better rose IMO. In fact if you put westbrook on THAT D; it'd be even nastier and no one would scrutinize his shot selection. I also want to note I hate Russell Westbrook so this hurts to say.

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Originally Posted by 42

5 (more in case you have beef) players better: Paul, James, Wade, Durant, Harden, healthy Dwight (since we can imagine this), healthy Love, healthy Chandler, Tony Parker, and I'll say Marc Gasol. There are more, and will be at least one more soon . . . Davis.

Also, anyone in a uniform?

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If not 1 gm SOBER would make the trade then I don't believe it's legit. And u can put chandler,wade,gasol,and Parker on that list. Not 1 gm would trade rose WITHOUT seeing him perform which we haven't for those 4 guys and more than likely a couple others. That's a fact.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Chris Paul
4. Dwayne Wade
5. Kobe Bryant

The reason rose isn't considered top tier is he is not a good defender at all. In fact I think westbrook right now is the better player because he is an upper echelon defender. If Westbrook were on the bulls and didn't have a Durant he needs to defer to; he'd be a better rose IMO. In fact if you put westbrook on THAT D; it'd be even nastier and no one would scrutinize his shot selection. I also want to note I hate Russell Westbrook so this hurts to say.

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C'mon man wade and Bryant at this stage of their careers?? Now I believe u have it out for rose lol like i said above not 1 gm would trade rose for those 2 players right now WITHOUT seeing him perform, which we haven't. And I'm not sure where u get that he's not a good defender. He's a lil bulldog on defense. He hustles his azz off on both ends of the floor. I'm really shocked that u guys don't have rose as a top tier guy. But everyone has their opinions.

I look as it as who would I want more. As who is the better player. I'd want Paul, James, Durant, Harden, Dwight's body but no his mind. That's it. And Davis too. But not because he's better than Rose right now, but that I'd rather have Davis. Because he'll be on that level someday, I believe.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

C'mon man wade and Bryant at this stage of their careers?? Now I believe u have it out for rose lol like i said above not 1 gm would trade rose for those 2 players right now WITHOUT seeing him perform, which we haven't.

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You're talking value. Not player ranking.

Can we just agree Rose is top 5 tier guys? Its so obvious...

[QUOTE=JJackisangry;1075295]Draymond Green, Jarod Sullinger, Jarret Jack, Dennis Schroeder, Dave Hopla[/

:hihi:

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

You're talking value. Not player ranking.

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Value counts in ranking the better player IMO. But I'm more looking at who is the better baller on the court. Rose is a better scorer than both those guys and it's not close. His defense isn't shabby either. Wade and Bryant are about to retire for Christ sakes. Lmao also, each team would hold a diff value on each player. So, if ALL GMs would not trade rose for those 2 then I'd tend to think he's the better current player. Not that I know all the GMs lol but I'd bet my house on that one.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I look as it as who would I want more. As who is the better player. I'd want Paul, James, Durant, Harden, Dwight's body but no his mind. That's it. And Davis too. But not because he's better than Rose right now, but that I'd rather have Davis. Because he'll be on that level someday, I believe.

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Can u get his body without his mind?? :hihi: cuz if so I'm down with that as well.

Who is shocked that the warriors are beating the spurs like this at home?? I'm not but I know so many spurs fans that claimed they would sleep walk thru the warriors lol.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

C'mon man wade and Bryant at this stage of their careers?? Now I believe u have it out for rose lol like i said above not 1 gm would trade rose for those 2 players right now WITHOUT seeing him perform, which we haven't. And I'm not sure where u get that he's not a good defender. He's a lil bulldog on defense. He hustles his azz off on both ends of the floor. I'm really shocked that u guys don't have rose as a top tier guy. But everyone has their opinions.

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Fun fact: Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade had two of their better seasons of their career this year.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

If not 1 gm SOBER would make the trade then I don't believe it's legit. And u can put chandler,wade,gasol,and Parker on that list. Not 1 gm would trade rose WITHOUT seeing him perform which we haven't for those 4 guys and more than likely a couple others. That's a fact.

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You are choosing to fail to acknowledge the data presented to you as adequate, fail to present counter points, and change the terms of the original statement about a rational team considering a trade.

Feel free to allow your mere stance to rule your evening, but so far you are just stamping your foot and going "no."

I think you should work harder to make your point or allow that such a trade for this player on this team with this weird delay in his return would be considered for trade by a rational team to see if an upgraded package could be had for a team in win now mode: Clippers.