Game Thread: Nuggets @ Hornets

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Originally Posted by SaintBrock

I've been thinking that Roberts is a better player than this board gives him credit for. I guess its easy for me to post this now after a great performance. How can anyone say he is not a legit NBA player? Look at the dropoff from him to Terell Harris. Remember Mike James? Antoinio Daniels?!! Roberts will never be an All star but he can shoot the hell out of the ball and tonight when he played with starters he distributed very well. He will stick around next year and possibly a few more years. I think if he was 22 instead of 27 this board would love him a lot more.

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1st impression was bad... he was pretty poor at the start of the season... but he has shown some real real good development lately... very encouraging

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Umm, no one is suggesting he is the answer at point, just that GV is not. :hihi:

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Exactly, I think Burke would be a guy who could run the point and create offense. Not sure how he would fit with Gordon though. So I still want Smart first. Dude plays D. Our D was much better than the O tonight. On Offense we just made open shots.

So, again, not trying to bash Vasquez, but he is only doing well because of Monty's system. Throw Roberts in the mix, and he gets 18 assists in his 1st start at PG. We need to capitalize on Vasquez's value this summer before it all goes downhill. Definitely not saying Roberts is the answer though...

Darius Miller ;)

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Originally Posted by rt0307

1st impression was bad... he was pretty poor at the start of the season... but he has shown some real real good development lately... very encouraging

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This is what I'm thinking exactly! I hope his improvement is due to his development, and not just that he was being guarded by Andre Miller for half the game. But he looked good tonight, not enough for me to say he should take GV spot, but I'm excited to see what he does Wednesday! He drop double digit assists and can stay in front of CP3? Then we got something.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

So, again, not trying to bash Vasquez, but he is only doing well because of Monty's system. Throw Roberts in the mix, and he gets 18 assists in his 1st start at PG. We need to capitalize on Vasquez's value this summer before it all goes downhill. Definitely not saying Roberts is the answer though...

Darius Miller ;)

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This wasn't Roberts first start at PG. The last game gordon missed he started at PG and Vasquez at SG.

You'd be silly to say that Roberts' assist look the same as Vasquez's. Vasquez's assist are great in numbers, but they are not a product of good ball movement. More like: ball hog then pass to a shooter. lol

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Okay. Tank is on. I set this to record from the Cox app. Here's to hoping the Cox iPhone app sucks and doesn't actually set my dvr to record it. lol

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so did your DVR work? are you going to watch this game again? :hihi:

All I gotta say is that is the best ball movement I've seen from the team since the very beginning of the season.

It's pretty well documented that 75% of the board recognizes Vasquez's defensive deficiencies by now also. Roberts played fantastic D all night and kept the ball handler out of the lane and what a difference it makes.

At one point, the FT deficiency was 9:35 Nuggets and we held a double digit lead all game pretty much.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

This wasn't Roberts first start at PG. The last game gordon missed he started at PG and Vasquez at SG.

You'd be silly to say that Roberts' assist look the same as Vasquez's. Vasquez's assist are great in numbers, but they are not a product of good ball movement. More like: ball hog then pass to a shooter. lol

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But even when Roberts started at "PG," Vasquez still ran the show. This was Roberts' first time to actually dominate the ball for a whole game, and his numbers surpassed Vasquez's numbers. Small sample, obviously, and I agree with your premise that Vasquez's numbers come from "ball hog then pass to a shooter." That's pretty much exactly how it goes, and Roberts is proof that anyone can succeed with that method haha.

Where are the Vasquez fanboys?!?!

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I wonder if they will rest Greivis Wednesday and ride the momentum from this win

WOOOOOO

UNO Gracias very mute tonight...

Roberts did a great job tonight.

Do you guys remember that time Matt Flynn started that game for the Packers last year, and had that amazing game. It netted him a huge contract with the Seahawks, and all the while people were wondering if it was just the system that caused Flynn's amazing game, and not that Flynn was the next great thing. But then Flynn got benched for a rookie.

I am not saying GV is Rodgers, and I am not saying Roberts is the next big thing, but I am saying its a pretty nice system when your a pg with two arms and 20/20 vision.

That said, the future looks good for us.

Right on que!

I was taking care of some business about town. Sorry to keep my fans waiting.:rolleyes:

What are your thought on Miller? He seemed to have a very good game. Could we have a Jared Dudley type on our bench.

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

I wonder if they will rest Greivis Wednesday and ride the momentum from this win

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God I hope so. I'd love to see Miller start at the 2 again as well.

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

UNO Gracias very mute tonight...

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You jinxed it!

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

You jinxed it!

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I wonder if these numbers have more to do with it being that time of the year when your Ike Diogu's are averaging 30pts a game and 10 rebounds a night, or if these were some of those legit numbers. Seeing as how Denver is fighting for seeding I am sure it was hard fought, but Denver was exceptionally sloppy.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I was taking care of some business about town. Sorry to keep my fans waiting.:rolleyes:

What are your thought on Miller? He seemed to have a very good game. Could we have a Jared Dudley type on our bench.

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I'm one of the few that thinks he can be a starter down the road. He is a rookie, and people forget that because he is 23, but he needs time to adjust to the NBA, and he looks real solid in limited minutes. He got 20+ tonight, and he balled out. Give it to him again, and see if he can be consistent. I like him going forward because he'd be cheap, can hit the 3, can rebound, is a really good passer, and can develop into a really good defender. He has great tools to be a premier role player, and that's what I want from our 3. Let Davis, Gordon, Rivers, and Anderson be the playmakers, and let guys like Miller, Lopez (if he is still here), Vasquez (if he is still here), and JSmith be the role players.

Can't have all-stars at every position. I love Miller as a potential starter/role player.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

But even when Roberts started at "PG," Vasquez still ran the show. This was Roberts' first time to actually dominate the ball for a whole game, and his numbers surpassed Vasquez's numbers. Small sample, obviously, and I agree with your premise that Vasquez's numbers come from "ball hog then pass to a shooter." That's pretty much exactly how it goes, and Roberts is proof that anyone can succeed with that method haha.

Where are the Vasquez fanboys?!?!

:hihi:

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Roberts did not play ball hog and pass to shooter. Did you watch the same game? This is just sad how people are so blind.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I'm one of the few that thinks he can be a starter down the road. He is a rookie, and people forget that because he is 23, but he needs time to adjust to the NBA, and he looks real solid in limited minutes. He got 20+ tonight, and he balled out. Give it to him again, and see if he can be consistent. I like him going forward because he'd be cheap, can hit the 3, can rebound, is a really good passer, and can develop into a really good defender. He has great tools to be a premier role player, and that's what I want from our 3. Let Davis, Gordon, Rivers, and Anderson be the playmakers, and let guys like Miller, Lopez (if he is still here), Vasquez (if he is still here), and JSmith be the role players.


Can't have all-stars at every position. I love Miller as a potential starter/role player.

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I totally agree about Miller. Love his potential as a complimentary starter. Potential to be a knockdown shooter and defend. Wish he would have gotten more playing time throughout the season when this team was already out of it.

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I think Darius could be a slightly better Mike Miller (in his prime) on a contender. That shot looks sweet and he could tear up an opposing bench.

I still think you need a 6'6" - 6'9" wing that can go one-on-one on an iso. That search should continue.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Roberts did not play ball hog and pass to shooter. Did you watch the same game? This is just sad how people are so blind.

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(Nolaslim correct me if I am wrong) I don't think he was saying Roberts was ball hogging and pounding the rock until he found a shooter. I believe he was describing GV's game, not Roberts. He was saying what a contrast the two have, and the results of such are better under Roberts.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Roberts did not play ball hog and pass to shooter. Did you watch the same game? This is just sad how people are so blind.

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I actually didn't get to watch the game. I was assuming you were saying that Roberts played ball-hog and outplayed Vasquez in that manner, but I guess I was wrong. So sorry man :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

(Nolaslim correct me if I am wrong) I don't think he was saying Roberts was ball hogging and pounding the rock until he found a shooter. I believe he was describing GV's game, not Roberts. He was saying what a contrast the two have, and the results of such are better under Roberts.

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No, you are correct. Inner_GI is just freaking out for some reason...

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I actually didn't get to watch the game. I was assuming you were saying that Roberts played ball-hog and outplayed Vasquez in that manner, but I guess I was wrong. So sorry man :rolleyes:

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Ahh. No Roberts got his assists by doing everything PGs are supposed to do. He even passed the ball to continue to the ball movement even if it wasn't going to be his assist.

I mean the team had 30+ assists tonight. It was flowing nicely, and Roberts was the glue to this offense. We kind of fell off the deep end when we resorted to Harris or Mason at the PG.

Miller has a long ways to go to prove himself as a solid role guy, and I guess that falls on Monty for not letting him play more during this "lost season." His stint in the D-League was pointless as X and Thomas were getting minuets he could use, yet neither of those guys are in the teams long term plans like Miller is/should be. It seems there is a right way to do things and there is a wrong way to do things, and tragically Millers growth was stunted because we went about things the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I totally agree about Miller. Love his potential as a complimentary starter. Potential to be a knockdown shooter and defend. Wish he would have gotten more playing time throughout the season when this team was already out of it.

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I'm hoping the team shuts Gordon down because of his ankle, and Monty starts Miller for the rest of the season. Good for 2 reasons: 1) Gordon is healthy going into the off season, so he can train properly, and 2) It allows us to asses Miller moving forward. If Miller can get the job done, then our search for a starting SF if over. That isn't to say we don't add a guy like Budinger in the off season that can give us good backup minutes or even stick with Aminu on a cheap contract. He provides great defense and rebounding off the bench.

Miller emerging would fill a BIG hole at SF, and he checks a lot of boxes as a player. I love him as a facilitator from the SF position, and the spacing he provides would be FANTASTIC for Davis, Gordon, and Rivers.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Ahh. No Roberts got his assists by doing everything PGs are supposed to do. He even passed the ball to continue to the ball movement even if it wasn't going to be his assist.

I mean the team had 30+ assists tonight. It was flowing nicely, and Roberts was the glue to this offense. We kind of fell off the deep end when we resorted to Harris or Mason at the PG.

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Right, and IMO, that is likely due to the fact that Vasquez (who is a ball stopper) didn't play. I have it recorded, and I'll go back and watch it either tonight or tomorrow, but I was just relying on what I thought you were saying. I guess things just got mixed up. No need to get upset about it though.

Nicest thing about Miller is his ability to make smart plays under duress when things break down and just a knack for being in the right spot.

Thought it was hilarious when he got a strip but didn't realize the ball was right under him. Like a reflex that he just didn't think would pan out.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Right, and IMO, that is likely due to the fact that Vasquez (who is a ball stopper) didn't play. I have it recorded, and I'll go back and watch it either tonight or tomorrow, but I was just relying on what I thought you were saying. I guess things just got mixed up. No need to get upset about it though.

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It's all good. It was definietely because Vasquez was stopping the ball. It's worth the watch. It was the best all around game, and I think the Hornets win by more if the Refs don't get a hard on for Denver in the 3rd with all the lame foul calls.

This board is funny. One minuet you hate Roberts and his play, then he comes in and has an amazing night like tonight where shots are falling, and you are sold on him as the #2 pg. So one game erases an entire seasons worth of play? Please explain.

People have been coming around to Roberts for a while now.

I don't fully trust the change until I see more of this. But you can't deny he's playing much better of late.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

This board is funny. One minuet you hate Roberts and his play, then he comes in and has an amazing night like tonight where shots are falling, and you are sold on him as the #2 pg. So one game erases an entire seasons worth of play? Please explain.

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I never said anything. However, I been a Miller fan since UK days. Guy is athletic too.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

So, again, not trying to bash Vasquez, but he is only doing well because of Monty's system. Throw Roberts in the mix, and he gets 18 assists in his 1st start at PG. We need to capitalize on Vasquez's value this summer before it all goes downhill. Definitely not saying Roberts is the answer though...

Darius Miller ;)

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The system definately plays its part but take nothing away from Roberts; he was truly spectacular tonight. He made sure the ball was moving, and he kept everyone involved. He deserved to have a breakout game for his hard work.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

People have been coming around to Roberts for a while now.

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Indeed. I've been out of the Hornets loop for the past couple of weeks or so, but prior to that I remember him putting up some decent games and seemed to be more willing to distribute.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I'm hoping the team shuts Gordon down because of his ankle, and Monty starts Miller for the rest of the season. Good for 2 reasons: 1) Gordon is healthy going into the off season, so he can train properly, and 2) It allows us to asses Miller moving forward. If Miller can get the job done, then our search for a starting SF if over. That isn't to say we don't add a guy like Budinger in the off season that can give us good backup minutes or even stick with Aminu on a cheap contract. He provides great defense and rebounding off the bench.

Miller emerging would fill a BIG hole at SF, and he checks a lot of boxes as a player. I love him as a facilitator from the SF position, and the spacing he provides would be FANTASTIC for Davis, Gordon, and Rivers.

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Agree'd. We're in assessment phase right now. Just elt Gordon heal and get back to 100% for next season (take that with a grain of salt).

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Miller can be a very good role player who can make big plays. He's made Aminu less likely to return unless the price is low and I assume we'll target a starting SF in this years draft. I also don't see GV being here by next all star break

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I don't fully trust the change until I see more of this. But you can't deny he's playing much better of late.

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something that might make a real difference is that you are part of a totally different mix of players when you start versus coming off the bench as the second or even third option at your position.....I daresay that your role probably changes quite a bit as well and we saw a couple of really young guys take advantage of being starters tonight....even if only temporary, good for them!

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

Miller can be a very good role player who can make big plays. He's made Aminu less likely to return unless the price is low and I assume we'll target a starting SF in this years draft. I also don't see GV being here by next all star break

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Aminu gets no love from some people. Miller goes 6-7 shooting in one game and he's our next starting SF? Nobody is going to shoot like that every night. I do quite like Miller though. SF could use an upgrade, but people continue every night to ignore Aminu's contributions. Aminu consistently gives us elite numbers in rebounds, steals and blocks from the SF position while shooting good FT's. Tonight:

4-11 shooting (not so hot), 5-5 FT's, 3 offensive boards, 8 total boards, 3 assists, 3 steals, 3 blocks, 1 turnover, 2 fouls, 13 points.

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Originally Posted by donato

Aminu gets no love from some people. Miller goes 6-7 shooting in one game and he's our next starting SF? Nobody is going to shoot like that every night. I do quite like Miller though. SF could use an upgrade, but people continue every night to ignore Aminu's contributions. Aminu consistently gives us elite numbers in rebounds, steals and blocks from the SF position while shooting good FT's. Tonight:

4-11 shooting (not so hot), 5-5 FT's, 3 offensive boards, 8 total boards, 3 assists, 3 steals, 3 blocks, 1 turnover, 2 fouls, 13 points.

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I like Aminu but he doesn't seem to have any hope of extending his range and someone's going to offer him a pretty significant deal, probably the MLE, and I just don't see any need to match that. Darius can be a long time backup SF and there are going to be guys for cheaper via draft and free agency. He's a great rebounder but I don't think our team rebounding will take a significant hit with AD assumingly getting better on the glass

How the hell did we win against denver? Damn, i wouldn't have bet 3 cents on us. I'll have to download the game :hihi:

Hate to say I told you all about Roberts but... I told you so ;)

Great win

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

This board is funny. One minuet you hate Roberts and his play, then he comes in and has an amazing night like tonight where shots are falling, and you are sold on him as the #2 pg. So one game erases an entire seasons worth of play? Please explain.

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Again you don't read... you just troll comment on isolated incidents.

This board has been coming around to Roberts for at least the past two weeks. I'd say his coming out party for acceptance was the last game gordon missed.

Just read...

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Originally Posted by luckyman

I think Darius could be a slightly better Mike Miller (in his prime) on a contender. That shot looks sweet and he could tear up an opposing bench.

I still think you need a 6'6" - 6'9" wing that can go one-on-one on an iso. That search should continue.

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I agree, and that's a wonderful thing to have down the line!

He could also start in a pinch and you wouldn't be dead in the water. I'm FULLY on the FA/Miller train next year at 3.

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Originally Posted by donato

Aminu gets no love from some people. Miller goes 6-7 shooting in one game and he's our next starting SF? Nobody is going to shoot like that every night. I do quite like Miller though. SF could use an upgrade, but people continue every night to ignore Aminu's contributions. Aminu consistently gives us elite numbers in rebounds, steals and blocks from the SF position while shooting good FT's. Tonight:

4-11 shooting (not so hot), 5-5 FT's, 3 offensive boards, 8 total boards, 3 assists, 3 steals, 3 blocks, 1 turnover, 2 fouls, 13 points.

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I think it's more that people realize that Aminu is going to get overpaid by someone else, not that they don't like or appreciate him.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

People have been coming around to Roberts for a while now.

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Yep, even me and I was pretty hard on him.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

I think it's more that people realize that Aminu is going to get overpaid by someone else, not that they don't like or appreciate him.

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True....I for one don't take for granted his rebounding. Cuz Lopez has shown he's not a rebounding center even though he has the size. He just has no ups whatsoever. Love the guy but dudes feet hardly ever leave the ground.