MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT, Scott fired, Bower H/C, Floyd new asst...{merged}

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Originally Posted by gabe311

Please elaborate!

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Please watch as the situation unfolds. Where is he today? Look at his brother's comments? There are signs all over the place. Then look at Cleveland and their situation with Lebron since Day 1.

This org is in serious turmoil as of this moment with unhappy players and a front office that has lost control of the situation. Do you think a guy like Paul is going to sit around through all of this? I don't see it. I don't like the NBA's business model. I don't like guaranteed contracts. I don't like prima donna players who basically get what they want when they want. But it is what it is, and right now it is **** around here. :idoh:

Bringing back Tim Floyd: GREAT MOVE.

He is a defensive minded coach. Our biggest weakness: DEFENSE.

He is fiery and is a great motivator of his players. If you have watched a single game this year, you know our players quit on Scott and gave NO EFFORT.

To everyone saying he was bad when he coached here, you are very wrong. He did fine as our coach. His problems were rooted in the ****ty attitudes of Baron Davis and Jamal Mashburn. D-West liked him as a coach, so I am sure he is fine with this. Tim Floyd was an excellent hire in my opinion.

The players in 2004 quit on Floyd like they did on Scott this year, Floyd is no great motivator and has not won an NBA playoff series in his coaching career.

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Originally Posted by metalzo

Relax guys...Bower would just be an interim coach until they can find the right guy (hopefully a young assistant with some fire) in the offseason. The way I see it even if it's Bower I'd rather get rid of Scott now than wait until the offseason. At least this way we can send a message that this team needs major changes and those start right now.

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Precisely! Byron as a coach here had run its course. A leader who doesn't take responsibility is no leader at all and should go. Byron seemed to not want to get his hands dirty when mud got too thick. A coach must hold himself accountable when his team is not performing up to par. Scott wasn't truly interested in that part of the job.

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Originally Posted by NIH

The players in 2004 quit on Floyd like they did on Scott this year, Floyd is no great motivator and has not won an NBA playoff series in his coaching career.

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The sad part is... While we know that Bower will be the HC in name, Floyd is really going to be the coach behind the scenes. Worst day ever.

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Originally Posted by NIH

The players in 2004 quit on Floyd like they did on Scott this year, Floyd is no great motivator and has not won an NBA playoff series in his coaching career.

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The players did not quit on Floyd like they did on Scott this year at all. We were a very mediocre team that stretched our record to 41-41 that year despite losing Mashburn midseason, and the constant "injuries" and whining of Baron Davis. We barely lost a game 7 to the Heat, coming back from a hue defecit to make it a close game I hardly call that quitting on the coach. I couldn't compare that to a very talented team last year that lost by 58 points at home in the playoffs. In my opinion, Scott should have been fired after last season.

i like to see jeff bower coach and see how he does,hell who knows might lite a fire under some of the guys to know your playing for they guy who negotiate your contracts.

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Originally Posted by jkupps2415

The players did not quit on Floyd like they did on Scott this year at all. We were a very mediocre team that stretched our record to 41-41 that year despite losing Mashburn midseason, and the constant "injuries" and whining of Baron Davis. We barely lost a game 7 to the Heat. I couldn't compare that to a very talented team last year that lost by 58 points at home in the playoffs. In my opinion, Scott should have been fired after last season.

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Heat players were talling Davis to 'get up' after faking injuries and Mashburn was sent home in the middle of that series. Don't try to tell me they didn't quit.

so excited scott is gone. even if we win 20 games this year....gives us a chance to right the ship over the next 2 years for cp3.....mush rather a fast sink with time to rebuild then let scott slowly sink us in time for cp3s contract to be up.

best day ever...now we actually have a chance to keep CP3. with scott we had no chance.

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Originally Posted by NIH

The players in 2004 quit on Floyd like they did on Scott this year, Floyd is no great motivator and has not won an NBA playoff series in his coaching career.

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Our line-up was Baron, Magloire, and Mashburn.....3 drama queens.

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Originally Posted by NIH

The players in 2004 quit on Floyd like they did on Scott this year, Floyd is no great motivator and has not won an NBA playoff series in his coaching career.

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Which is why he is an assisstant coach. Bower has ZERO head coaching experience. I think Floyd is here to help him out. I pray that Shinn does not think either of these two are long term answers. I read somewhere the Bower will not have the "interim" head coach tag. I swear if he is the head coach past this year I will riot.

Bower said no search will be conducted, I'm wondering if that means a search right now or after the season?

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Originally Posted by whoah whoah

Which is why he is an assisstant coach. Bower has ZERO head coaching experience. I think Floyd is here to help him out. I pray that Shinn does not think either of these two are long term answers. I read somewhere the Bower will not have the "interim" head coach tag. I swear if he is the head coach past this year I will riot.

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OMG, This is actually possible. I am officially flabbergasted! :eek:

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Originally Posted by jkupps2415

Bringing back Tim Floyd: GREAT MOVE.

He is a defensive minded coach. Our biggest weakness: DEFENSE.

He is fiery and is a great motivator of his players. If you have watched a single game this year, you know our players quit on Scott and gave NO EFFORT.

To everyone saying he was bad when he coached here, you are very wrong. He did fine as our coach. His problems were rooted in the ****ty attitudes of Baron Davis and Jamal Mashburn. D-West liked him as a coach, so I am sure he is fine with this. Tim Floyd was an excellent hire in my opinion.

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If the current roster can quit on one coach, they can quit on any coach. Floyd is not going to get it done. The best case scenario with him is that he will put in time trying to develop the youth and he is a good x and o guy. That's it. he brings nothing else. Unfortunately, you need a baby-sitting kind of coach in the NBA. That's just the way it rolls. Floyd has proven that he can't motivate these players. Maybe when they were younger, but not now.

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Originally Posted by Hornet603

Our line-up was Baron, Magloire, and Mashburn.....3 drama queens.

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Those drama queens weren't even pathetic enough to lose by 58. this team is a joke.

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Originally Posted by NIH

Heat players were talling Davis to 'get up' after faking injuries and Mashburn was sent home in the middle of that series. Don't try to tell me they didn't quit.

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Yes, if you read my post you would realize that I agreed Baron Davis quit on Floyd. He was a drama queen, and he quit on the franchise/city as a whole. Thus, Floyd still managed a respectable record and 7 game series without basically his top player who was nothing but a headcase.

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Originally Posted by Who Dat 3

so excited scott is gone. even if we win 20 games this year....gives us a chance to right the ship over the next 2 years for cp3.....mush rather a fast sink with time to rebuild then let scott slowly sink us in time for cp3s contract to be up.

best day ever...now we actually have a chance to keep CP3. with scott we had no chance.

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I disagree. I don't see CP sitting through this rebuilding process, despite Hugh Weber's denial of that characterization. I hope I am totally wrong, but I don't think I am. CP would languish in obscurity for the next 2 seasons until we get contracts cleared from the books and a new HC is brought in. And one better be brought in much sooner than that.

And the Hornets essentially backed into the playoffs in 2003-04. That series was the best they had played in months. This guy is a re-tread.

A respectable 7 game series with the 41-41 Heat. :hihi:

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Originally Posted by West Coast Hornet

Please watch as the situation unfolds. Where is he today? Look at his brother's comments? There are signs all over the place. Then look at Cleveland and their situation with Lebron since Day 1.

This org is in serious turmoil as of this moment with unhappy players and a front office that has lost control of the situation. Do you think a guy like Paul is going to sit around through all of this? I don't see it. I don't like the NBA's business model. I don't like guaranteed contracts. I don't like prima donna players who basically get what they want when they want. But it is what it is, and right now it is **** around here. :idoh:

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CP under contract through 12-13. Roster flexability in 11-12. That's the make or break point in my mind. Until then, CP and CJ can do nothing but complain on twitter. Ownership knows that w/out CP this franchise is absoutely worthless and would be stupid to give in to trade demands b/c the next step from there would have to be relocation.

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Originally Posted by NIH

A respectable 7 game series with the 41-41 Heat. :hihi:

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Have you seen our roster from that year? We weren't exactly the cream of the NBA that season either my friend. Either way, last year's roster was much more talented and we lost by 58 points at home.

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Originally Posted by gabe311

CP under contract through 13-14. Roster flexability in 11-12. That's the make or break point in my mind. Until then, CP and CJ can do nothing but complain on twitter. Ownership knows that w/out CP this franchise is absoutely worthless and would be stupid to give in to trade demands b/c the next step from there would have to be relocation.

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Doesn't CP3 have a player option before 13-14 though?
I agree about the flexibility period where we have to go score some major players to keep Paul.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Hornet

Please watch as the situation unfolds. Where is he today? Look at his brother's comments? There are signs all over the place. Then look at Cleveland and their situation with Lebron since Day 1.

This org is in serious turmoil as of this moment with unhappy players and a front office that has lost control of the situation. Do you think a guy like Paul is going to sit around through all of this? I don't see it. I don't like the NBA's business model. I don't like guaranteed contracts. I don't like prima donna players who basically get what they want when they want. But it is what it is, and right now it is **** around here. :idoh:

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The only good thing is that we've got basically three seasons to try to right the ship. If Bower's gone after this year- which I suspect- than we've still got hope that we can get someone in here that know's what their doing before Paul's contract is up.

Two or three years down the road is entirely too far to predict- remember Scott's first year, when all looked hopeless and everyone thought this team was going to be terrible for the foreseeable future? Or 2007, when everyone thought we had the chance to contend for the next few seasons? Things can change quicker than we imagine.

If nothing of note happens at the end of this season, or at some point in the next, then I'll start to panic. Until then I remain cautiously hopeful.

Why would the next move be relocation? There was actually a time before Chris Paul, people...Not that many of you were fans back then.

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Originally Posted by BhamHornet

Doesn't CP3 have a player option before 13-14 though?
I agree about the flexibility period where we have to go score some major players to keep Paul.

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Ahh, yes I believe you are correct. If that is the case, scratch my comment!

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Originally Posted by Daneman

The only good thing is that we've got basically three seasons to try to right the ship. If Bower's gone after this year- which I suspect- than we've still got hope that we can get someone in here that know's what their doing before Paul's contract is up.

Two or three years down the road is entirely too far to predict- remember Scott's first year, when all looked hopeless and everyone thought this team was going to be terrible for the foreseeable future? Or 2007, when everyone thought we had the chance to contend for the next few seasons? Things can change quicker than we imagine.

If nothing of note happens at the end of this season, or at some point in the next, then I'll start to panic. Until then I remain cautiously hopeful.

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If Bower isn't the head coach by next November it will be Tim Floyd. Bower has already stated that a search will not be conducted.

Here's a link to the salaries and length.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans.htm

I don't put much stock in the lack of an "interim" label. No NBA coach lasts forever. So they are all interim. Why cut the guys clout unnecessarily by adding the label? There will be more coaches to pick from in the off-season, so they want to wait and do the search then. Right now, the players have to take him seriously. He is the coach, and still the GM. If they label him "interim" it sends a signal he's not even going to stay as GM.

I think it was the right move, but I'm still suprised they made it.

Obviously, Bower as a HC is an unknown commodity and, as has been said, the move does resemble other "You broke it, you fix it" situations. In my opinion, however, there's no reason to feel particularly strong one way or the other right this second.

If the ship is still sinking with Jeff Bower at the helm, then, by all means, say whatever you will about the Org. But for now, why not grant yourself a bit of hope? David West basically inferred at the press conference that Scott had run his course here. There's no way to know how the team will change/react on the court following this move.

Of course, if this ends up being the straw that broke Chris Paul's back, then scratch everything I just said. This could be the worst day in franchise history. I really don't think Chris is that type of person, though, and I would be suprised if he had that sort of reaction.

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Originally Posted by Harvey Hornet

Floyd is not respected in the NBA.

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But that doesn't mean he can't coach. All it takes is for a superstar like CP3 to believe in what Floyd is doing and you never know if things can't improve. Life is a funny animal. Now, will he be the head coach? Probably not, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing. That's only how he's perceived. He didn't do a bad job in '03-04, he just had guys who were in love with his predecessor (Silas) and Tim ended up paying for it.

Can't we just put CP3 as coach?
Seems like best option.
Just have Bower and Floyd manage all the little things.

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Originally Posted by NIH

Why would the next move be relocation? There was actually a time before Chris Paul, people...Not that many of you were fans back then.

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I'd just like to go on record and say - being a native of Charlotte, I have been a Hornets fan since their first game

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Originally Posted by Harvey Hornet

I'm looking at the big picture. This move makes us look like the dumbest basketball operations organization in the league. What respected coach/gm would want to be part of this circus?

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Harvey, looks aren't everything. It's just perception. What coach/GM would want to be part of this perceived circus? I can name that tune in two notes: CHRIS PAUL!!!

Floyd was a great move. Trust me, it will pay off handsomely

Jeff Bower will be on WWL radio at 4:10 if anyone wants to hear what he has to say.

lol@ the visual of jeff 'turtle power' bower on the sidelines as the hornets head coach

This is a terrible move. Our problem is personel. Unless we can bring someone in better, firing him 9 games in is rediculous

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"How will Bower fare as head coach? I'd be worried if he was rolling with the same assistants as Byron, but having Tim Floyd at his side alleviates some concern. Floyd was fired in 2004 after one season as head coach of the Hornets, but the issue back then was that he couldn't control the egos on the roster, most notably Baron Davis. Now the Hornets have a team full of high-character guys that are craving some solid direction at both ends of the floor, and Floyd should be able to help immediately with that. He's more likely to draw up an effective play or call for a timely adjustment during a timeout, which will be a nice change from Byron telling the players that they just need to try harder and box out more."

Interesting..

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Originally Posted by NIH

If Bower isn't the head coach by next November it will be Tim Floyd. Bower has already stated that a search will not be conducted.

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Assuming Bower himself is still with us to make that decision......

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Originally Posted by NIH

Why would the next move be relocation? There was actually a time before Chris Paul, people...Not that many of you were fans back then.

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Because we basically had one foot in the grave in N.O. before 07-08. How many do you think will stay on the bandwagon if he leaves? We are treading water as it stands now!

I hope you are not implying that I am not a long term fan of the NO Hornets.......I do not feel the need to have to justify this based on realistic beliefs on where this franchise is headed.

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Originally Posted by SeauxCrazy

Quote from an article on NBA.com

"How will Bower fare as head coach? I'd be worried if he was rolling with the same assistants as Byron, but having Tim Floyd at his side alleviates some concern. Floyd was fired in 2004 after one season as head coach of the Hornets, but the issue back then was that he couldn't control the egos on the roster, most notably Baron Davis. Now the Hornets have a team full of high-character guys that are craving some solid direction at both ends of the floor, and Floyd should be able to help immediately with that. He's more likely to draw up an effective play or call for a timely adjustment during a timeout, which will be a nice change from Byron telling the players that they just need to try harder and box out more."

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COMPLETELY AGREE

Does anyone know if Byron has said anything?

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Originally Posted by BhamHornet

Can't we just put CP3 as coach?
Seems like best option.
Just have Bower and Floyd manage all the little things.

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Hey, Lenny Wilkens did it back in the day.

Didn't he end up winning a couple of games? haha

Why is Bower the HC? Theories abound:

1. You broke it, you fix it.

2. Shinn had no HC to bring in right now for the long-term fix, and he felt he had to get rid of Scott now.

3. Shinn didn't want to pay anymore $$ for a HC this year; that money is tied up in Byron.

4. Shinn wanted to buy himself some time to find a suitable long-term replacement in the off-season.

So which is it? Is it a combination of that? All I know is that if Bower and Floyd are still here next season, we are in deep doo doo unless the team had a miraculous turnaround this season, which I do not see.

Lets be honest?

Who really thinks Bower and Floyd will turn this thing around?

personally i just don't see how a guy with NO head coaching experience will turn this team around?
i hope i am wrong but if scott truly "lost" the team? what makes bower think he won't do the same?

This all just seems like a knee-jerk reaction to our blowout last night with no real plan of action after the firing.

i am VERY bummed out by this whole thing.
Like i said i hope that we DO turn it around my heart says we can but my head tells me otherwise.

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Originally Posted by WhoDatHornet

Lets be honest?

Who really thinks Bower and Floyd will turn this thing around?

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I honestly think it is a step in the right direction. We made SIGNIFICANT improvements today.

cbssports video analysis on todays move with ken berger:

http://www.cbssports.com/video/playe...NVdQgCxetEuAtc

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Originally Posted by WhoDatHornet

Lets be honest?

Who really thinks Bower and Floyd will turn this thing around?

personally i just don't see how a guy with NO head coaching experience will turn this team around?
i hope i am wrong but if scott truly "lost" the team? what makes bower think he won't do the same?

This all just seems like a knee-jerk reaction to our blowout last night with no real plan of action after the firing.

i am VERY bummed out by this whole thing.
Like i said i hope that we DO turn it around my heart says we can but my head tells me otherwise.

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I don't think it is a knee-jerk from last night. In the team's 6 losses, they have looked like crap in every one of them. This trainwreck started last season and continued into this season.

Also, if Scott lost the team, I don't think they'll respond to Bower. I doubt the important people on the team have faith in Bower just as the GM, and they are probably laughing that he is the HC now.

That's just my feeling. We'll see.

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Originally Posted by WhoDatHornet

Lets be honest?

Who really thinks Bower and Floyd will turn this thing around?

personally i just don't see how a guy with NO head coaching experience will turn this team around?
i hope i am wrong but if scott truly "lost" the team? what makes bower think he won't do the same?

This all just seems like a knee-jerk reaction to our blowout last night with no real plan of action after the firing.

i am VERY bummed out by this whole thing.
Like i said i hope that we DO turn it around my heart says we can but my head tells me otherwise.

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I don't think Floyd & Bower will turn it around, but I don't think it's a permanent fix either. This team was going nowhere this season, this just confirms it. All about building towards the future- 2004 all over again.

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Originally Posted by WhoDatHornet

This all just seems like a knee-jerk reaction to our blowout last night with no real plan of action after the firing.

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I think it is a reaction to our last 35 games, not just last night.

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Originally Posted by Daneman

I don't think Floyd & Bower will turn it around, but I don't think it's a permanent fix either. This team was going nowhere this season, this just confirms it. All about building towards the future- 2004 all over again.

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I agree. If it were a permanent fix, it almost assuredly would have disaster written all over it.