Pels @ Jazz (11-28-15)

Assuming there are no setbacks and the staff isn't lying, the schedule sets up where I can see them reaching .500 before January. I can see another run coming up shortly as our real NBA players work back in.

I hope the "fire Demps" and "we have a mismatched roster" threads keep flowing while all that is going on. Be steadfast in your beliefs. Don't waver.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Few cant seem to get it through to their heads and it's a little shocking. I can find countless cases of good and great coaches having bad season when they aren't loaded with talent. We are suppose to win every game with a star a couple of scrubs along with bench players as starters. The Jazz have a good team with depth but I would love to see them missing a few players.

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I would call Ryno a luxory, not a scrub.

The Jazz are a good team because they have a good coach. They have plenty of good players, but nobody who on their own will make you stand and say, "well that is a great player." It's a sum of their parts type deal. Corbin had the same crew and did nothing with it. Snyder comes in and he has them on pace for the playoffs by year two.

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Originally Posted by 4Real

Oh so that is is! That is what you came up with?

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Do you know anything about the teams he was coaching with players or situations like being coach half way through the season with previous ones fired? Is it a coincidence when he had Nash and Stoudemire healthy with key role players they were a gam3 6 away against a great Lakers team from going to the NBA Finals? Quick tell me some players on those terrible rosters he had that you think even the great Pop could have made .500 coaching with? You mite have to go digging and it will take you a little bit and most likely forever because he had some downright terrible rosters. Acting like Snyder is all the sudden better has not facts to back it up while the other has much more success to back it up.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Assuming there are no setbacks and the staff isn't lying, the schedule sets up where I can see them reaching .500 before January. I can see another run coming up shortly as our real NBA players work back in.

I hope the "fire Demps" and "we have a mismatched roster" threads keep flowing while all that is going on. Be steadfast in your beliefs. Don't waver.

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Please don't waver either. This team wasn't constructed by the fans. All the "this team is fielding players who don't belong in the NBA" who brought them here? Did NO Bronco get on the horn with Gee's people and say, "come on down, I have a nice contract for you." Did 4 Real call Jimmer and breath heavily into the phone and say "I want to be in the Jimmertime Business"? Did I call The guy backing up Ish and say, "yo, we need whatever it is you got as long as it isn't contagious" ? No, Demps put this roster together, and he has the power to change the roster as need sees fit. You know me, I will be here when they go on their hot streak, but man, is that going to happen?

Don't tell me about how good he was when conditions were perfect, tell me how he was when the ******** hit the fan.

A ship in a harbor is safe, but that's not why ships were built.

Much like Monty I think people are starting to over criticize Gentry and under acknowledge circumstance.

There is no coach in the league that could make the roster we currently have, with this toughest ranked schedule, implementing a new system on both sides of the ball into a contender at this point. Not to mention ignoring how important players and familiarity is to success in this league.

I'm not sure Gentry is the answer long term or not but its beyond premature to call it.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I would call Ryno a luxory, not a scrub.

The Jazz are a good team because they have a good coach. They have plenty of good players, but nobody who on their own will make you stand and say, "well that is a great player." It's a sum of their parts type deal. Corbin had the same crew and did nothing with it. Snyder comes in and he has them on pace for the playoffs by year two.

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Did I ever call Rybo a scrub? I don't think so. Corbin had the same crew are you kidding me?! You mean the one Snyder had when he went 38-44? Or the much more improved team wth new players along with ones doing what they are suppose to and improve as players. Now your argument is a joke acting like Corbin had the same team. Snyder is a good coach with a very solid team. You don't have to have a super start to be a damn good team. You can have a superstar and be a bad team when you are missing half of your group which we are. Terrible example saying he has the same team and trying to compare because we have a super star while they just have a team full of health and very good players we should be on the same level or higher. Come on be realistic.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Did I ever call Rybo a scrub? I don't think so. Corbin had the same crew are you kidding me?! You mean the one Snyder had when he went 38-44? Or the much more improved team wth new players along with ones doing what they are suppose to and improve as players. Now your argument is a joke acting like Corbin had the same team. Snyder is a good coach with a very solid team. You don't have to have a super start to be a damn good team. You can have a superstar and be a bad team when you are missing half of your group which we are. Terrible example saying he has the same team and trying to compare because we have a super star while they just have a team full of health and very good players we should be on the same level or higher. Come on be realistic.

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So is Ryno the scrub, the star, or the bench player forced to play starter mins, because every game AD has played Ryno has been there (your quote, not mine).

Now, go look at the roster turnover from Corbin to Snyder. You say the talent was doing what it was supposed to, and developing...talent didn't develop under Corbin...that's why he was fired. Snyder is doing well, but every playoff bound team in the West has one thing that the Jazz don't, and that's a star player. That speaks to Snyder's effective system.

And why are we bringing up Snyder's record from last season? It's still higher than age try's career average.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Please don't waver either. This team wasn't constructed by the fans. All the "this team is fielding players who don't belong in the NBA" who brought them here? Did NO Bronco get on the horn with Gee's people and say, "come on down, I have a nice contract for you." Did 4 Real call Jimmer and breath heavily into the phone and say "I want to be in the Jimmertime Business"? Did I call The guy backing up Ish and say, "yo, we need whatever it is you got as long as it isn't contagious" ? No, Demps put this roster together, and he has the power to change the roster as need sees fit. You know me, I will be here when they go on their hot streak, but man, is that going to happen?

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You are obviously not processing the situation very well. What kind of player do you expect them to bring in? You do realize it got so bad the team qualified to use an injury hardship exception right? Any other team in the NBA done this?

I'm pretty sure Demps, not in his wildest dreams, thought all of his point guards would go down at the same time. Plus Asik and AD missing games, plus Pondexter all so far. THAT IS TOO MUCH ***** at once.

It is what it is and all the team and its fans can do is wait for it to be somewhat normal again. Which is supposed to begin Tuesday.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Assuming there are no setbacks and the staff isn't lying, the schedule sets up where I can see them reaching .500 before January. I can see another run coming up shortly as our real NBA players work back in.

I hope the "fire Demps" and "we have a mismatched roster" threads keep flowing while all that is going on. Be steadfast in your beliefs. Don't waver.

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That December schedule going to be brutal dude. Only 7 home games in December. A 5 game road trip as well.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

You are obviously not processing the situation very well. What kind of player do you expect them to bring in? You do realize it got so bad the team qualified to use an injury hardship exception right? Any other team in the NBA done this?

I'm pretty sure Demps, not in his wildest dreams, thought all of his point guards would go down at the same time. Plus Asik and AD missing games, plus Pondexter all so far. THAT IS TOO MUCH ***** at once.

It is what it is and all the team and its fans can do is wait for it to be somewhat normal again. Which is supposed to begin Tuesday.

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This roster is Demps doing though. He brought the people in, no? The A******** resigning, The Ajinca resigning. We essentially got the same results had we burned the money, or given it to a meth head.

But on to Gentry. If his system isn't hitting at a .600 clip after a month of everyone being healthy (which I doubt we ever see everyone healthy), is that when we can start panicking? I just want to know when it's OK to doubt the move.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

This roster is Demps doing though. He brought the people in, no? The A******** resigning, The Ajinca resigning. We essentially got the same results had we burned the money, or given it to a meth head.

But on to Gentry. If his system isn't hitting at a .600 clip after a month of everyone being healthy (which I doubt we ever see everyone healthy), is that when we can start panicking? I just want to know when it's OK to doubt the move.

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On his prediction we would have to almost win every game in December to be back at ,500

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Assuming there are no setbacks and the staff isn't lying, the schedule sets up where I can see them reaching .500 before January. I can see another run coming up shortly as our real NBA players work back in.

I hope the "fire Demps" and "we have a mismatched roster" threads keep flowing while all that is going on. Be steadfast in your beliefs. Don't waver.

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The schedule and history says "Not gonna happen"

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Originally Posted by 4Real

That December schedule going to be brutal dude. Only 7 home games in December. A 5 game road trip as well.

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It's not a daunting road trip. Only @Chicago and again @Utah look tough. It has no back-to-backs.

Outside of that, the tough games are all here.

"Welcome to my Nightmare"
Alice Cooper
"welcome to my breakdown"

Our injury situation isn't that bad anymore. We're missing one starter and two role players. If we need to be 100% healthy, to win more than 25% of our games, we might as well give up now.

FIRE DEMPS

We were +1 when Davis was out on the floor. And in the 4 minutes he was on the bench we get outscored by 15 points can't make this ******** up.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

Our injury situation isn't that bad anymore. We're missing one starter and two role players. If we need to be 100% healthy, to win more than 25% of our games, we might as well give up now.

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Tyreke is a role player? He is the 2nd best player on the team until Jrue starts playing full time.

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Originally Posted by rt0307

am I the only 1 who wants to see what our team... that we expected to see on the court instead of having to play scrubs 25 minutes a game... can do in this system before wanting to fire someone? this place is worse than tigerdroppings

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Just who are you waiting to get healthy Cole and Evans you really think they are going to make that big of a difference . Evans is streaky and best and Miami gave up Cole for a ham sandwich and everybody thinks it's gonna be a huge turn around , not happening with this line up . I do think Evans is our second best player but he wouldn't even be in the starting five on most contenders teams . In fact no one on our team with the exception of AD would be . It's to early to give up on Gentry but it's time to cut ties with Dell he is very below average in my opinion .


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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

Just who are you waiting to get healthy Cole and Evans you really think they are going to make that big of a difference . Evans is streaky and best and Miami gave up Cole for a ham sandwich and everybody thinks it's gonna be a huge turn around , not happening with this line up . I do think Evans is our second best player but he wouldn't even be in the starting five on most contenders teams . In fact no one on our team with the exception of AD would be . It's to early to give up on Gentry but it's time to cut ties with Dell he is very below average in my opinion .


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right so what I'm hearing here, is replacing toney douglas and ish smith, with tyreke evans and Norris cole is not going to make a lick of difference? along with qpon who can shoot and defend better than any other 3 we have (both combined). Reke was our highest scorer behind AD last season. What I think is being blown out here, is the instant impact these players will have. they aren't realistically going to walk in, play 35 minutes, drop 20 points each and we go on a 50 game win streak. 15/5/5 from reke, 9/3/1.5 from qpon, and 9/2/3 from cole would be GREAT additions to our scoring lines alone. we're getting 12/4/8 from ish, 3/3/1 gee, and 7/1/2 from td (not taking away from them, they are doing what they can). but thats a 11 point differential in averaging scoring lines between those 6. TD is the only one of the current three with a ts% over .500. everyone of our missing 3 are over .500

then there are the defensive changes on not having ish guarding starters. not saying reke is a defensive guru, but his 1on1 is decent, and he has a major height and wing span advantage. then there's the change in spacing, in having to respect a 3 that can and will shoot the 3 ball. gee is 2/15 for the season. he has come out and said his role is d only, and done that well, but if he was shooting and dropping 3's it would make a world of difference on the offensive end. lord knows he's received the ball open in the corner countless times, but then its either followed by a drive nowhere or a pass to the next guy. and defenders having to stick to reke, and not sag off like they do ish. imagine a world where our cold handed center didn't have every player around him in the paint as teams sag off their assignment because they can. I don't know what people honestly expect. opponent defensive game plans must be fairly easy when they look at our current lineup. "oh hey Snyder, you worried about Gee or Ish shooting you out of this game? no? right but surely you must be worried about Asik then? nope." In the end, it may not result in instant wins, but it sure as hell would change our on court dynamics.

I think Ish is awesome but he needs to be under control more. Don't overestimate what you can do son.

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Originally Posted by billfromfinance

right so what I'm hearing here, is replacing toney douglas and ish smith, with tyreke evans and Norris cole is not going to make a lick of difference? along with qpon who can shoot and defend better than any other 3 we have (both combined). Reke was our highest scorer behind AD last season. What I think is being blown out here, is the instant impact these players will have. they aren't realistically going to walk in, play 35 minutes, drop 20 points each and we go on a 50 game win streak. 15/5/5 from reke, 9/3/1.5 from qpon, and 9/2/3 from cole would be GREAT additions to our scoring lines alone. we're getting 12/4/8 from ish, 3/3/1 gee, and 7/1/2 from td (not taking away from them, they are doing what they can). but thats a 11 point differential in averaging scoring lines between those 6. TD is the only one of the current three with a ts% over .500. everyone of our missing 3 are over .500

then there are the defensive changes on not having ish guarding starters. not saying reke is a defensive guru, but his 1on1 is decent, and he has a major height and wing span advantage. then there's the change in spacing, in having to respect a 3 that can and will shoot the 3 ball. gee is 2/15 for the season. he has come out and said his role is d only, and done that well, but if he was shooting and dropping 3's it would make a world of difference on the offensive end. lord knows he's received the ball open in the corner countless times, but then its either followed by a drive nowhere or a pass to the next guy. and defenders having to stick to reke, and not sag off like they do ish. imagine a world where our cold handed center didn't have every player around him in the paint as teams sag off their assignment because they can. I don't know what people honestly expect. opponent defensive game plans must be fairly easy when they look at our current lineup. "oh hey Snyder, you worried about Gee or Ish shooting you out of this game? no? right but surely you must be worried about Asik then? nope." In the end, it may not result in instant wins, but it sure as hell would change our on court dynamics.

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Couldn't have said it better! Spot on!

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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

Just who are you waiting to get healthy Cole and Evans you really think they are going to make that big of a difference . Evans is streaky and best and Miami gave up Cole for a ham sandwich and everybody thinks it's gonna be a huge turn around , not happening with this line up . I do think Evans is our second best player but he wouldn't even be in the starting five on most contenders teams . In fact no one on our team with the exception of AD would be . It's to early to give up on Gentry but it's time to cut ties with Dell he is very below average in my opinion .


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You are listing a mix of fiction and irrelevant facts here. And you are doing that poorly. See the more well-thought-out post below.

When you are done seeing it, try reading it. You should learn more about the team from it, and you should also get a little lesson in facts, relevance, and logic.

You're welcome.

I don't think many know the very fine line between losing by 10 and winning by 10. It does not take much at all in creating that 20 point swing.

Missing 3 very important players, two of them being major ball handlers is certainly a major cog in that equation.

This team has beaten Dallas, San Antonio, an Phoenix twice. Given how difficult the schedule has been, and missing sometimes 4 starters, I'd say they squeezed out what they could.