Game Thread: Heat @ Hornets

I am happy we are losing as itnisnjetting us a better pick.
I am happy fans of opposing fans are showing up at games because it helps our attendance numbers.
I am a ticket holder.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I disagree with this thought process for so many reasons.

1st saying that you can't add a 19yo Noel or a 20yo Burke and expect to win is like saying you can't add a 17yo Bryant, 18yo James, 20yo Paul, or a 19yo Durant and expect to change a teams culture. You draft guys with the talent and that internal desire to win at all cost. When you do that your past culture becomes irrelevant. The Bulls barely had any success before and with Jordan until Pippen arrived and they built the team around those two.

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Are you comparing Burke and Noel to Bryant, James, Paul or Durant?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Tanking or whatever term you want to use indeed is the best way to build moving forward. Because it usually revolve around giving young players more mins. And puts you in better position to add needed talent. Otherwise you wouldn't be considering tanking in the first place.

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Then why are the Kings perpetually bad? The Warriors until David Lee was added? Charlotte? T Wolves? Washington and Toronto? These are all teams that have constantly been in the lottery. None of these teams have a winning culture. They've been losing for so long, they don't know how to win.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Of course just drafting isn't the way to win you have to draft well. We are a tiny market with no history of winning and no proven marque player to sell a FA. Why would a key FA sign here? Money isn't an object because the few game changers each year will get paid on any team they sign with. Drafting our talent is the only way we'll ever be a strong contender for a title. If you draft talented, hard working winners they can lose for 2 or 3 season and never lose their passion or worth ethics. If you have players that will quit solely because a situation is difficult than you have the wrong players not the wrong culture. After all it's the players that determine the attitude in the locker room not the names on the jerseys.

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Small Market teams typically can't pull free agents. Teams that aren't winning, don't pull free agents. We need one or the other to be able to pull a player. We're not going to become a bigger market anytime soon. Why do small market teams lose their starts? Constantly losing and being in a losing culture.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Are you comparing Burke and Noel to Bryant, James, Paul or Durant?

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Then why are the Kings perpetually bad? The Warriors until David Lee was added? Charlotte? T Wolves? Washington and Toronto? These are all teams that have constantly been in the lottery. None of these teams have a winning culture. They've been losing for so long, they don't know how to win.




Small Market teams typically can't pull free agents. Teams that aren't winning, don't pull free agents. We need one or the other to be able to pull a player. We're not going to become a bigger market anytime soon. Why do small market teams lose their starts? Constantly losing and being in a losing culture.

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Two thumbs way up on this post.

The worst was after the game. A buttload of those "Heat fans" went down to Hornets nest to pick up 50% off Hornets merchandise. I saw kids changing out of their lebron jerseys into AD jerseys. Yeah i guess its good they are wearing our teams colors (for the remaining 2.5 weeks of the season). But you wore that lebron jersey into the arena. Makes me sick.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Are you comparing Burke and Noel to Bryant, James, Paul or Durant?

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I don't know what Burke or Noel or any of these players will be. The point was the right players make the difference.

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Then why are the Kings perpetually bad? The Warriors until David Lee was added? Charlotte? T Wolves? Washington and Toronto? These are all teams that have constantly been in the lottery. None of these teams have a winning culture. They've been losing for so long, they don't know how to win.

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Clearly you missed the point about drafting well. How many teams passed up on Curry? And GS isn't a title contender they're a solid team. We had one of those here before.

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Small Market teams typically can't pull free agents. Teams that aren't winning, don't pull free agents. We need one or the other to be able to pull a player. We're not going to become a bigger market anytime soon. Why do small market teams lose their starts? Constantly losing and being in a losing culture.

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The inability to sign marquee free agents directly coincide with the losing. Chris Paul was content signing with a historical bad team. Carmelo wanted New York no matter who they had to give up. There hasn't been a player breaking there necks to go to non glamour teams some of which are in decent sized markets.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I don't know what Burke or Noel or any of these players will be. The point was the right players make the difference.

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they can make a difference, but what about Kevin Love? John Wall? All the players those teams i named draft. Surely their front offices thought they were the players to make a difference.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

you missed the point about drafting well. How many teams passed up on Curry? And GS isn't a title contender they're a solid team. We had one of those here before.

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Drafting well isn't like picking black socks in the morning. Oh you should match your socks with your pants well. You have complete control over the color of your socks, you don't have complete control over predicting the future, player growth etc. It's a crap shoot. Every team misses on draft picks. If it was that straight forward, Kobe, Jordan, Durant etc get taken #1 overall. Do you think every team that has missed on a draft pick hasn't gone in with the intention of " drafting well" ?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

The inability to sign marquee free agents directly coincide with the losing. Chris Paul was content signing with a historical bad team. Carmelo wanted New York no matter who they had to give up. There hasn't been a player breaking there necks to go to non glamour teams some of which are in decent sized markets.

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A can agree with this, but I also think to make your franchise more attractive winning makes leaving easier. Like i said earlier, we're not going to be come a larger market team. The Spurs and the Thunder are all able to keep their FAs because they have a winning culture.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

they can make a difference, but what about Kevin Love? John Wall? All the players those teams i named draft. Surely their front offices thought they were the players to make a difference.

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1st Kevin Love is a difference maker the problem is nobody wants to play for the Wolves which is my point not to mention he was hurt this year. As for John Wall I was never excited about him not even now. He made bad decision in college, turned the ball over at a high rate, and had a poor jumper. He was just such a better athlete than everybody in college. He only had one speed and the better PG excel playing the game at multiple speeds.

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Drafting well isn't like picking black socks in the morning. Oh you should match your socks with your pants well. You have complete control over the color of your socks, you don't have complete control over predicting the future, player growth etc. It's a crap shoot. Every team misses on draft picks. If it was that straight forward, Kobe, Jordan, Durant etc get taken #1 overall. Do you think every team that has missed on a draft pick hasn't gone in with the intention of " drafting well" ?

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I don't ever recall saying drafting well was easy. Can you find were I said it or even implied that to be the case? However some GM's and staff have high batting avg. while most GM's and staff strike out a lot. Due to our situation we need a GM that 1st has the ability and staff to evaluate college and foreign players at a high rate. Then one with the guts to make the moves to get better whether it's trading a pick or "reaching" for a player in the draft. Most GM's seem too afraid to step out on the limb and take chances. I know every GM can't all be grading every player almost identically to all the big scouting websites or ESPN/NBA.com etc. RC Buford and Sam Presti are examples of what I'm talking about. Sure you can point to Tim Duncan and Kevin Durant as gift from out of Heaven, but to ignore finding guys like Tony Parker, James Harden, Manu Ginobili, Serge Ibaka, Russ Westbrook, Kawhi Leonard and Jeff Green is the difference between where we've been before and where we are trying to get.

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A can agree with this, but I also think to make your franchise more attractive winning makes leaving easier. Like i said earlier, we're not going to be come a larger market team. The Spurs and the Thunder are all able to keep their FAs because they have a winning culture.

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The Spurs have revolved around it's core(that was drafted) for so long and haven't brought in any big time FA even to a team that's been competing for titles for the better part of a decade give or take a year.

The Thunder just lost James Harden they are an bad example. Not to mention most players on their 2nd contract re-up with their original team. Melo, CP3, LeBron, and Bosh all signed 2nd deals with their 1st teams none of them are there now.

My point was not keeping FA's (which is difficult in itself) I'm talking about signing new FA's.