Free Agency Thread

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Sounds like Demps is all-in for Lin.

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How so? Please explain. Even with Lin, we still need shooters, who can we go for that's left in fa?

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I normally try to express optimism, but honestly after CJ Miles being off the market to Toronto, im officially deflated. This free agency has been one of the most bizarre, and painful ones I can imagine. Not because we are "sitting on our hands" but the fact that even with two of the most talented bigs in the game we are STILL not attracting players to come here. It shows a reflection of our organization, what NBA players think of us, and most importantly the front office lack to sell players on this young and promising team (hopefully).


Maybe something soon will happen and this pessimistic post I have right now will make me look like a idiot, which I'll be perfectly fine with, but at this point realism is showing that even with a trade, we STILL will lack high I Q shooters, which be tough to make this whole thing work.

Anyone who has any knowledge of shooters left on the market or we can trade for please share.. because I honestly thought Miles was our last chance to get a decent rotational player in free agency. I'm honestly not feeling this team so far on paper , because what's around boogie and AD won't help them much. Btw so much fail on social media rumors. Just embarrassing.

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Mike Dunleavy, Anthony Morrow, Aaron Afflalo are all shooters that are probably within our price range. But I think it's become obvious that if we are adding a starter this off-season, it'll be through trade.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

How so? Please explain. Even with Lin, we still need shooters, who can we go for that's left in fa?

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It sounds like his focus is getting Lin. After that, I have no idea who he would target to fill out the roster. My guess is a bunch of near minimum deals for vets. Maybe something like Lawson and Barnes/Babbitt/Jerbko.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

My guess is a bunch of near minimum deals for vets. Maybe something like Lowry

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:confused::confused::confused:LOL, meant Lawson. I will correct. Thanks

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Originally Posted by Smirk

:confused::confused::confused:LOL, meant Lawson. I will correct. Thanks

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lol yeah I didn't get that either. Quick question are you also saint smirk on saintsreport?

I would call it a successful off season if we trade for Lin then signed Affalo/Morrow and Lawson.

Lin/Lawson
Holiday/Moore/QPON(depends on who we trade)
Hill/Affalo
AD/Diallo
Boogie/Asik/Ajinca(depends on who we trade)

PS: I would much rather Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight if they take back Asik and fillers to make it work.

Lin is a great shooter, much better than Bledsoe or Jrue. I'd still prefer Bledsoe over any other PG we could possibly trade for, but Lin would be a huge addition, imo. Much more than most people seem to think.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

Lin is a great shooter, much better than Bledsoe or Jrue. I'd still prefer Bledsoe over any other PG we could possibly trade for, but Lin would be a huge addition, imo. Much more than most people seem to think.

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I'm fine with either honestly. But Aaron afflao and Morrow have been drastically declining to be effective players for us. Does anyone has any other options? Not trying to be a hard ****** I'm honestly trying to see if I'm forgetting anyone else.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

Lin is a great shooter, much better than Bledsoe or Jrue. I'd still prefer Bledsoe over any other PG we could possibly trade for, but Lin would be a huge addition, imo. Much more than most people seem to think.

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Lin is a good shooter. I would not say he is a great shooter. The fact that he is coming off of an injury-filled season (missed most of the season) and a down season before that, has me a bit cautious about Lin. I hope Dell does not overpay.

What ever move Demps make will not move the win loss scale.
It obvious the franchise is not in a position to spend any amount of money outside of what assets the team has allowed.
I am fine with the current roster and let the chips fall. I see a 40 win season at best which is better than the last 2 years.
I am sure once the new GM takes control at seasons end we will then see what the future holds

Current roster:

Everybody get angry. Version 0.1 2018 win projections based on current rosters. Minutes projections done algorithmicly, so lots of errors. pic.twitter.com/nDzx4SYYhg

— Kostya Medvedovsky (@kmedved) July 10, 2017

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Originally Posted by eballa1

Current roster:

Everybody get angry. Version 0.1 2018 win projections based on current rosters. Minutes projections done algorithmicly, so lots of errors. pic.twitter.com/nDzx4SYYhg

— Kostya Medvedovsky (@kmedved) July 10, 2017

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We're not as bad as pessimists think. We have a roster that's good enough to make the playoffs with a full offseason together. They maybe can even get to the second round if we were a 6 seed. I'm really interested in seeing what Moore and Jordan Crawford can do with our bigs in a full season. Another wing or scoring guard would improve us a lot, but it's not the end of the world if we don't add anyone major this offseason.

The plus side is we didn't screw up the cap and make a bogus signing, even if it was because we didn't have cap room to mess up in the first place

sign mo speights for the back up PF/C position,,he can spread the floor like the rest of our bigs........let cook run the back up PG spot........thats all i have...

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Originally Posted by eballa1

Current roster:

Everybody get angry. Version 0.1 2018 win projections based on current rosters. Minutes projections done algorithmicly, so lots of errors. pic.twitter.com/nDzx4SYYhg

— Kostya Medvedovsky (@kmedved) July 10, 2017

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Am I the only one that thinks the Jazz will fall this year w/o Hayward? Boston will win more games than Utah and that is not even close. I don't think they will win 50+ games. They lost Hill and Hayward and replaced them with Rubio!?!?

I've said it a couple times here that IMO I think we're only a couple players away from being a solid team that can make things interesting in the West. I don't know if we'll do it THIS season because of our cap situation, and its gonna be a crazy summer trying to get Boogie to resign.

I do think we can make the playoffs even with the team we have (barring injuries). 6th-8th seed is what I'm seeing now. If we can somehow bring in another impact guard (Bledsoe?) we can be a threat. We have the best 4/5 combo in the league. We just need to get the pieces around them to be a real scary squad.

If we're Phx or Bkn, would you take a 28 year old E'twaun Moore for Bledsoe or Lin? They would have to get better from the trade. Moore is decent but he's the same age as Bledsoe and Lin. Neither teams needs any C or SF from us. Phoenix was trying to get young assets for Bledsoe during the draft (Mudiay and first rounder from Den, the 16th pick from Chi)

When Sac traded Cousins, they got a 2016 top 10 pick Guard Buddy Hield and a 2017 top 10 pick from us

We'd have to give up 2 first rounders for either Bledsoe or Lin just for them to listen

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

We'd have to give up 2 first rounders for either Bledsoe or Lin just for them to listen

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Absolutely not for Lin. Anyone who gives up 2 #1s for Lin should be put in a straight jacket and hauled away immediately. He is not even in the same conversation as someone like Cousins and only has one year left on his deal. Bledsoe will take more to get than Lin, but 2 #1s for him would be high IMO. However, we do not have the young talent to pair with a #1 to get him.

They are quick-

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

They are quick-

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Just like Dell!

Spotted hard at work yesterday:

http://theyoungprofessionalgroup.com...61-960x639.jpg

Its funny. When the Pels do something, they always get bashed for sacrificing future assets and flexibility for a player/piece that in the long run, wont be worth the sacrifice. So this summer, they resist spending big money on guys like Swaggy P or CJ Miles -- who are nice players -- but realistically aren't likely to make a huge difference anyway. Do you guys remember James Posey? If we signed a James Posey today most of you guys wd be so happy bc Pels "did something."

This team has a pretty damn good big three. It has a few nice pieces to fill in around the big 3 in Solo Hill, Moore, a potential star at the 4 in Diallo, a potential sleeper back up pg in Quinn Cook, a potential scorer off the bench in Crawford, the rookie, perhaps bringing back lunchpail corner three guy Cunningham. So rather than getting rid of some of these assets to jump for a single player who may or not complete the team, and giving up almost all cap flexibility in the process, doesn't it make sense to take the slow approach? Let this team get into camp and play some games and see what you really need. If Cook plays great and Solo Hill shoots even worse, then do they really need a PG? Or if Cook sucks and Jrue looks lost at point, but Solo, Moore, and Crawford are hitting 40% from 3, do you really need another wing or are we looking at a PG at that point? Plus, if they never give cheap options like Crawford, Cook or Jackson a chance to perform, then they have no chance of getting that stud player who plays on a less than market value deal that they will need to make the superteam capanomics work. Also, by November/December, there will be some players available who aren't available now.

My point is, I don't see any moves out there now or in the past few weeks that realistically would be worth giving up all the remaining assets and flexibility.

This year is about proving the Big Three works. Playoffs and 45 wins is plenty. Then players will want to come here. Would rather win 45, not be hard capped and maybe have discovered a good cheap player or two than to be hard capped without prospects or picks and win 50.

I'm really not a fan of Lin (as a player, lovable human). I'm not sure if he's made some jump in 36 games in Brooklyn but I watched almost every game he played in Houston and he was usually underwhelming. Not very athletic, overall bad defender, streaky shooter at best, questionable finisher, creative passer but turnover prone, has some quickness but not very fast, not very athletic outside of quickness and balance. I assumed he would be a nice backup for the rest of his career. IMO Lin is overall just as good as a Ty Lawson. His biggest value to a team is in the box office and jersey sales.

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Originally Posted by Big Fan

My point is, I don't see any moves out there now or in the past few weeks that realistically would be worth giving up all the remaining assets and flexibility.

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We basically gave up all flexibility for the next few years when we re-signed Jrue to such a large contract. Now it is about trying to put players around the team given the numerous mistakes Dell has made. Young was not going to get a Posey contract. He was simply going to fill a role for a year or two. Now, we will try to fill with league minimum deals for veterans in hopes that they can contribute.

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

If we're Phx or Bkn, would you take a 28 year old E'twaun Moore for Bledsoe or Lin? They would have to get better from the trade. Moore is decent but he's the same age as Bledsoe and Lin. Neither teams needs any C or SF from us. Phoenix was trying to get young assets for Bledsoe during the draft (Mudiay and first rounder from Den, the 16th pick from Chi)

When Sac traded Cousins, they got a 2016 top 10 pick Guard Buddy Hield and a 2017 top 10 pick from us

We'd have to give up 2 first rounders for either Bledsoe or Lin just for them to listen

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"Most" people on this board know this for Bledsoe...Why people have included a bad contract that we take back from Pheonix like Knight or Tyson Chandler....Lin is easier to obtain since BKN would probably take a 1st round pick since Boston has their first rounder next year.

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Originally Posted by Big Fan

Its funny. When the Pels do something, they always get bashed for sacrificing future assets and flexibility for a player/piece that in the long run, wont be worth the sacrifice. So this summer, they resist spending big money on guys like Swaggy P or CJ Miles -- who are nice players -- but realistically aren't likely to make a huge difference anyway. Do you guys remember James Posey? If we signed a James Posey today most of you guys wd be so happy bc Pels "did something."

This team has a pretty damn good big three. It has a few nice pieces to fill in around the big 3 in Solo Hill, Moore, a potential star at the 4 in Diallo, a potential sleeper back up pg in Quinn Cook, a potential scorer off the bench in Crawford, the rookie, perhaps bringing back lunchpail corner three guy Cunningham. So rather than getting rid of some of these assets to jump for a single player who may or not complete the team, and giving up almost all cap flexibility in the process, doesn't it make sense to take the slow approach? Let this team get into camp and play some games and see what you really need. If Cook plays great and Solo Hill shoots even worse, then do they really need a PG? Or if Cook sucks and Jrue looks lost at point, but Solo, Moore, and Crawford are hitting 40% from 3, do you really need another wing or are we looking at a PG at that point? Plus, if they never give cheap options like Crawford, Cook or Jackson a chance to perform, then they have no chance of getting that stud player who plays on a less than market value deal that they will need to make the superteam capanomics work. Also, by November/December, there will be some players available who aren't available now.

My point is, I don't see any moves out there now or in the past few weeks that realistically would be worth giving up all the remaining assets and flexibility.

This year is about proving the Big Three works. Playoffs and 45 wins is plenty. Then players will want to come here. Would rather win 45, not be hard capped and maybe have discovered a good cheap player or two than to be hard capped without prospects or picks and win 50.

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A healthy percentage of the players on the Pels roster last year were flat out bad NBA players. Not average. Bad. Borderline scrubs. It was a sub-30 win group even with one of the NBA's best on the roster. Then you went out and got Cousins. BIG win. Yay! Huge step up, now we....um....

It can all change in a minute in the off season, you never know what is going on in the background, but doing nothing but trotting out the same scrubs with the same team + Cousins is abusive and dangerous as hell. One injury, just one, the whole season is lost, and you have given Cousins absolutely no reason to believe you are anymore competent and proactive an organization than his last one. You think after 7 years of mealy mouthed get nothing accomplished front office feebleness in Sacramento that he is ever going to want to be a prisoner of that kind of top down incompetence again? He's not a glamour hound. You never did need to sign Paul George to impress him. But you damn well better do something to show that you are proactive, have a vision, and are busting your ****** to win absolutely every game possible next year. Because I absolutely guarantee you he has already heard a full career's worth of "we're building/be patient/trust us" nonsense. Having another franchise just throw a whole pile of mismatched stuff at his feet and say, ok, you fix this, is a really good way to see him look around next offseason for an actual professional franchise to join.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

We basically gave up all flexibility for the next few years when we re-signed Jrue to such a large contract. Now it is about trying to put players around the team given the numerous mistakes Dell has made. Young was not going to get a Posey contract. He was simply going to fill a role for a year or two. Now, we will try to fill with league minimum deals for veterans in hopes that they can contribute.

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Not true. They aren't hard capped. Have plenty of exceptions and room to use most of them under the lux tax. They have unguaranteed contracts and picks to spend. If they had already given up all flexibility, you wouldn't still be watching this thread bc they wouldn't be able to make any more moves.

So they have enough flexibility left for a good move or two. Just so far no deals worth giving up that flexibility and locking in on a roster.

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