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Not even remotely interested in Wall
I dont think we would even think of going after wall. The fake simmons trade would be more probable than john wall.
Even if we wanted to there’s no way we could make that salary work without giving up someone significant.
John Wall may very well be the elusive "untradable" contract in professional basketball. He's due 47mil next season after being paid 44mil this season. That's incredibly difficult to move just on sheer volume. You add in his decline in production and health issues I can only see a buy out getting John moved to another team.
John Wall or Ben Simmons. You have to take one. Which one?
It's not a difficult choice. Ben Simmons is a better player on less yearly money with no massive injury history and is significantly younger.
I don't think either is a guy for this team, and I think Simmons has huge flaws that make it very difficult for him to be The Guy on championship level team, but just in a vacuum he's clearly better than Wall.
He's a year older, due more money, and has yet another injury to add to the list. These are all things that make him an even greater negative then he was say 12 months ago. Then there are other factors that I didn't mention. Houston is a young rebuilding team looking to acquire assets not give them up. Wall does not want to be on a rebuilding team. It would be viturally impossible for any "good" teams to give up any salary that will match while keeping it's core together. The only teams with cap space are other bad teams that will take John on for future assets. Why would the Rockets use assets to trade Wall to a team that will just take on his salary for future picks? Not a real question. Either way the circumstances going into this season has IMO as much if not more to do with Wall bring untradable. In fairness to you I didn't mention that in my 1st post.
He's due more money per year but he's due ~$40MM less overall...that's not insignificant. All these guys (CP3, Westbrook, going back to dozens of others)...their contract is untradeable until it's traded. Maybe Wall will be the first to be stuck, maybe there will be some sort of buyout, who knows.
Word out of the Pelicans pre-camp workouts is that Jaxson Hayes looks incredible and is hitting jumpers from everywhere
— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) September 17, 2021
There won't be a buyout. It's a monstrous amount of money and Fertitta is a cheapskate. I'd be stunned if Wall got bought out, he'd have to give up *so much* money.
I agree that the idea of an untradeable contract is a little overblown, but at the same time, as da THRONE outlines, who would both want Wall and have the assets to get him? It doesn't work out. With CP3 there's an impetus to giving up stuff for him because he's proven that he can boost a team into playoff contention time and time again. Westbrook is a little harder to justify but then, he got traded for Wall so really it's just swapping awful deals back and forth, and at least Westbrook can give you gaudy box-score numbers on the regular.
I know my point is it's the money per year that has to be match via any trades. That makes a trade far more difficult than just the overall contract.
Personally I never viewed Paul or Westbrook as untradeable. They were due a lot but still had positive impact on their teams.
Pels are going to be really good.
New coach A+
Added Devonte Graham, Jonas V, Tomas Satoransky, Garrett Temple B+
Rookies Murphy and Herb A+
We will win so many games. I really think people are underestimating how much better we will be. I think we will have a better defense. Our shooting will be way better. We have more depth and players with experience. Also, NAW, Kira, and Hayes will all be better players I have no doubt.
Devonte will be incredible at PG. just watch. He?s got so many weapons and he can shoot lights out. Chemistry and defense will lead this team to 52 wins. We will go deep in the playoffs.
We are contenders. Just wait. I?m pumped because we added so much shooting. It?s going to completely change the team.
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I agree up to a point and then diverge.
I agree that NAW, Kira, and Hayes should take a step forward this year - that's expected of them. If they don't (particular NAW and Hayes, who are more experience) then their time on the Pels starts coming under review. I believe in them still, for sure, so I'm expecting it. I also agree that Devonte will be a good fit for the team and I think his shooting, half-court passing, and defense will all be positive upgrades from Bledsoe last year. Jonas is an upgrade from Adams, and I think Murphy will be pretty good (for a rookie) even if he goes through some rough patches here and there. I
But I don't really think we can pencil the new coach in for a positive yet - I like the signs, but we've yet to see him coach a game so it's a bit presumptuous. He was good in Summer League and all of the back-stage stuff we've heard has been nice, so I'm hopeful, but I don't know if we can just confirm it as an absolute already.
Besides that, we won 31 games last year. I think we improved, but do I think we got 21 games better? 52 wins last season was the Jazz's record and that was league best.
I'm comfortable saying we'll be better than last year, and I think expecting us to be a 40 win team, potentially 45 if things break right, isn't absurd. But 50+? I'm a bit more sceptical about that. I don't see us as a title contender this year, and that's title contender territory most of the time.
Jax got the memo that we need a stretch 5 lmao. I know people want Jax to focus more on the big man side of his game, but I like that he is taking the initiative and looking to be better than the average big. He went out of his way to work on his handles and jump shot during the COVID break and it wouldn?t surprise me if he heavily invested on those aspects again this offseason. He wants to be great just like BI and Zion and I can dig it.
I don't think that makes much of a difference with regards to us being a 52 win team. At our win rate last season (.431) an 82 game season would only have resulted in 35 wins. We'd still have to improve by at least 17 wins this year to hit 52 wins based on that rate, which is a very significant single season jump. Not unheard of, of course, but still, I think it's a lot to project based on what we've done this off-season.
I saw online yesterday Vegas has us at o/u 38.5 or 39.5 depending on the place. The over looks like a tempting bet to me.
I think somewhere between 43 and 48 wins (.524 to .585 win percentage) would be a good goal to aim for. Somewhere in that ball-park. It's clear improvement, it's a playoff berth, but it's not setting yourself up for failure by expecting 55 wins or something like that. Last season we played at a 35 win pace, so 43 wins is only an 8 game improvement. Clearly better, but not like expecting us to go from bad to championship contention in one year.
I will say, 14 blown leads cause we were inept on so many places on the floor. With these new added pieces & coaches, I think we mesh much better than last year (depending if things go right). So in all, its not out of the ballpark to win 50+ games. However I'm placing my bets on a 45 win season.
I mean, it wouldn't be impossible for sure and if everything clicks right it could happen, for sure. I just think that would be a top tier outcome for the year, rather than something we should go into the year placing our hopes into. As you say, much more confident in something around the 45 win mark than the 52 win mark.
I'm so confused. Most in here claim that the Pelicans have had a less than awe-inspiring off-season and then turn around and suggest that we end up winning 50+ this year? Interesting!!
Last year I had visions of the gritty hard playing Bledsoe, the lights out 3pt shooting of JJ, and a healthy Adams dancing in my head only to watch it all fall apart. I'm praying that none of our new players to the team realize they just don't care anymore, that none will fall so hard to Father Time and that health will be kind to us.
My Commandments for this season:
I. Thou shalt not, yet again, overestimate the Pelicans' collective talent.
II. Remember to disregard the first 3-5 games, for they speak false truths.
III. Believe in a bad season, and hope to be proven wrong, rather than be hurt by another season of despair.
IV. Thou shalt not pay attention to the media re: Zion.
V. Thou shalt not listen to local bloggers bearing false witness that all is fine and the coaches are good, when all shows otherwise.
VI. Thou shalt not overvalue the Pelicans' young players and role players.
VII. Honor thy Announcer, Joel Myers.
VIII. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's Conference.
IX. Thou shalt not yearn for an end-of-season miracle run to make the play-in tournament.
X. Thou shalt not let crushed optimism be reinvigorated by talks of the draft and free agency.
JJ Redick has officially retired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZzAbwgRcU
After 15 seasons in the NBA, JJ Redick announced his retirement this morning.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) September 21, 2021
Yeah, it's real weird.
My personal take: we improved on a number of fronts, and combining that with internal growth should see us be a clearly better team than last year. The odds of us blowing quite so many huge late leads is also improbable and we will probably be slightly better in those cases than last year - partly because we've upgraded at some positions (see, Jonas being able to shoot FTs) but also again, just internal growth.
That correlates to us improving by a fair but not incredible amount. That's why I stick by my prediction that we'll win somewhere in the region of 43 games, with 48 ish being the very top end of our season if we get lucky in close games and 50/50 scenarios. By win percentage, we were on pace to be a 35 win team last year (of course, the season ended early so we didn't pick up those extra few wins) - I think improving from 35 to 43 is a realistic but clear improvement, without setting ourselves up for disappointment when we aren't suddenly the 2 seed.
I got us at 40 wins. And being in no man's land lottery pick again. Don't trust us to be healthy.
Just not super high on NAW being a legitimate starter and will have growing pains. Probably miss 20 games.
The season really rides on Zion, Ingram, and Jonas. Zion and Ingram gotta get their defense up to win games.
I think if we wanna break 0.500. NAW, and Hayes gotta have a break out seasons. TM3 keeps shocking the world and be a ROTY candidate.
That?s a lot of wishful thinking. Really too much.
If we break the 40 mark, that is because we got better defensively (and at finishing the tail end of games). I do think Willy gets more effort out of these guys than Stan which makes half the difference. We just lacked it last season and let teams steamroll us at will.
I would be very disappointed if we didn't come out a bit north of 40 wins....to me, that would mean that several of the more important players performed to a lesser degree than they should have....of course, if things go in the other direction, the win total increases accordingly.... and then there is defense....
I'll go with 44 wins for 7th seed and we win the play-in tourney. Have ourselves a little pyrrhic victory as we win a couple of games against some juggernaut of a team but ultimately can't overcome the bad calls....going into the offseason with most of us feeling excited and the usuals being bearish.
And great job on the commandment post b_l_p!
I love how everyone just passed over the JJ Redick post. LOL.
Felt more to me like he retired last season.
From what I've heard only today in national media...the Pelicans (and Timberwolves) are a franchise in "disarray" and downgraded their roster this offseason.
One positive about being a Pels fan is that there has barely been a quiet moment over the past 10 years with the ball club.
Most of it has not been overly positive, but it's NEVER been boring
I can't imaging what it would like to be an Indiana or Charlotte fan, tbh
I will do you one better, Why is JJ Redick?
Before i jumped on the pels bandwagon i was a kings fan since the late 90's and somewhat still follow them till now but not as invested as i used to be... they probably have it worst in any way possible..sucks cause they probably have one of the best fans in the nba but have the worst owners and management.
The only reason they are talking about the pels is because we have zion who they want out in new orleans...we still have good pieces to turn things around so im not as worried with our situation compared to that of the kings.