Free Agency Thread

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Originally Posted by rt0307

this the 1 you mean?

Hahahahhahahaha!! #ifyouonlyknew https://t.co/4roSkSlEiL

— Quincy Pondexter (@QuincyPondexter) July 9, 2017

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Q pon looks like he's healthy at his basketball camp last week

https://twitter.com/MGRADS/status/883089425445433344

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Originally Posted by Buckwheat

Guys ever think Dell Demps hands are tied?
Maybe ownership has told him stand down?
It's obvious ownership doesn't want to spend any additional money otherwise Demps would have made a move.
Just my thoughts on this.

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No !

The first thing to understand about being an NBA fan is that no one really understands the cap. They just don't. Some will pretend to. Others think they do. But they do not. They will come on here and tell us "that won't work"..."we can't do such and such because this is already such and such". Then such and such happens but those same people are already on to some other such and such that can't happen that they never notice the previous such and such did happen.

These same people generally don't understand NBA trades as, just like the cap, no one understands NBA trades. They defy logic. It is very rare that an NBA trade looks even. We will see new passionate fans come in with their pipe dream trades and the people who pretend they know how NBA trades work....or at least think they do....will tell them how it will never work. But when we examine most NBA trades, they are in fact the same type of trades that these people say never happen.

Take the Boogie trade. No one saw it coming.

Had someone proposed the trade preseason to the board that person would have been ridiculed and laughed at.

The only certain thing that can be said about NBA trades and the cap is that when someone pretends to know how they work, that is the person you most need to ignore.

We don't even know what our FO is thinking. The plan could be that they figure this season as a preseason to just season and feel more of a fire to find someone closer to the trade deadline as opposed to now. The key is to keep Boogie. He may be happy with us pulling the trigger mid-season. We don't know.

Also remember, the same people who pretend they know how this all works or at least think they do are the same ones who thought we were in total stagnation and had no way out before the Boogie trade. Because they didn't see it coming. Because they no nothing.

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Originally Posted by rt0307

this the 1 you mean?

Hahahahhahahaha!! #ifyouonlyknew https://t.co/4roSkSlEiL

— Quincy Pondexter (@QuincyPondexter) July 9, 2017

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Sort of, the one about snakes in the grass. Always gets me nervous for a team when I see a player tweet about snakes in the grass.


http://https://twitter.com/quincypon...81947147440128

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

And it's clear he has gone all-in on that route by letting all the FAs sign elsewhere. My concern is that with all of the options dwindling, he gets desperate and overpays for an average player.

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How exactly did Dell "let" Free Agents sign elsewhere? Was he supposed to handcuff Nick Young and not let him talk to other teams?

Dell and Boogie together at today's gamehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ff1b44d899.jpg

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Originally Posted by MSU-Sousaphone

The first thing to understand about being an NBA fan is that no one really understands the cap. They just don't. Some will pretend to. Others think they do. But they do not. They will come on here and tell us "that won't work"..."we can't do such and such because this is already such and such". Then such and such happens but those same people are already on to some other such and such that can't happen that they never notice the previous such and such did happen.

These same people generally don't understand NBA trades as, just like the cap, no one understands NBA trades. They defy logic. It is very rare that an NBA trade looks even. We will see new passionate fans come in with their pipe dream trades and the people who pretend they know how NBA trades work....or at least think they do....will tell them how it will never work. But when we examine most NBA trades, they are in fact the same type of trades that these people say never happen.

Take the Boogie trade. No one saw it coming.

Had someone proposed the trade preseason to the board that person would have been ridiculed and laughed at.

The only certain thing that can be said about NBA trades and the cap is that when someone pretends to know how they work, that is the person you most need to ignore.

We don't even know what our FO is thinking. The plan could be that they figure this season as a preseason to just season and feel more of a fire to find someone closer to the trade deadline as opposed to now. The key is to keep Boogie. He may be happy with us pulling the trigger mid-season. We don't know.

Also remember, the same people who pretend they know how this all works or at least think they do are the same ones who thought we were in total stagnation and had no way out before the Boogie trade. Because they didn't see it coming. Because they no nothing.

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Well it makes sense why someone would have been laughed at because the Kings were laughed at by the entire league at the time.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

How exactly did Dell "let" Free Agents sign elsewhere? Was he supposed to handcuff Nick Young and not let him talk to other teams?

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Uh, if you believe the multiple reports, Young was ready to sign here until Dell withdrew the offer. So, are you going to tell me that not a single FA that has signed would have helped the team? He has decided to bypass using the full MLE for a FA. Maybe we will be able to get some league min bargains to fill the roster when the dust settles.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Top 10 protected 1st for Asik. Moore is worth a 2nd. May have to give a 2nd or 2 to get rid of Ajinca. Idk that's Demps job to figure out the details, I was just pointing out that it is possible.

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It would take more than that and we would have to find enough teams with both roster spots and cap room to absorb the contracts without sending back a contract. Even then, I am not sure if that would get us to enough to fit KCP under the cap although it may be close. We would also have to renounce Cunningham.

I feel like using the MLE and making a trade shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Mr. West

I feel like using the MLE and making a trade shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

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Yes, but the point is, what if you sign a guard and then the trade you manage to pull up is for a better guard. You would waste your money on someone who won't play instead of maybe going for a wing.

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Originally Posted by Mr. West

I feel like using the MLE and making a trade shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

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If we can get a starting #1 via trade & use the MLE on a Dunleavy and/or AMO (vet 3&D guys), then I'm good to go!

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Originally Posted by Delko

Yes, but the point is, what if you sign a guard and then the trade you manage to pull up is for a better guard. You would waste your money on someone who won't play instead of maybe going for a wing.

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What if all serviceable MLE targets are off the board by the time a trade is finished?

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Originally Posted by Mr. West

What if all serviceable MLE targets are off the board by the time a trade is finished?

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I guess that's why they were saying that the trade would come soon.

But even if it doesn't, it is still better not to sign anyone knowing that it would be a waste of money, it's not as if we were not doing it already with some contracts.

I have been thinking as well of the Bucks, they need to save some money since they are over the luxury tax and did not sign anyone yet.
Could we help them reducing their salary cap a bit with this trade :

NOP receives : Middleton, Dellavedova and Teletovic

MIL receives : Moore, Asik, Ajinca, Toupane Pondexter. By cutting Toupane they would save $6.5m.

You can add draft picks and cash to cover an eventual stretch of Asik on their side.

With Brogdon, Snell and Maker fitting more what Kidd want to do, those players will play less and they all have 3 years and earn $+10m per year and are fragile players, so it makes some sense to dump them for the Bucks.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Uh, if you believe the multiple reports, Young was ready to sign here until Dell withdrew the offer. So, are you going to tell me that not a single FA that has signed would have helped the team? He has decided to bypass using the full MLE for a FA. Maybe we will be able to get some league min bargains to fill the roster when the dust settles.

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Where was the report about Dell withdrawing the offer? The article I read said they don't know why Young changed his mind then they offered a bunch of theories but no one knew the truth. The most common theory being Dell didn't offer a big enough contract for Young.

So, you have a problem with Dell waiting to sign free agents because it might cause him to overpay. . .But you also have a problem when Dell refuses to offer the full MLE to a player he doesn't feel is worth it?

As far as who has signed, look at the guys in our price range that didn't go ring chasing. Do I think they would be a vast improvement over what we have on the roster? No. Honestly I don't think anyone that was in our price range would be more than a 8-10 man. The closets would be CJ Miles but we have no idea what Dell discussed with him. He could have been trying to get something worked out behind the scenes but it didn't happen.

That's the thing. People act like because we didn't sign a player "Dell LET them walk away". But we have no idea how much Dell has been in contact with the free agents and what all is going on.

Heck, for all we know Dell really did pull his offer to Young and stopped trying to sign any free agents because he has a trade already worked out with Phoenix and it's just waiting on Asik to be able to pass his physical.

We don't know so instead of just waiting to see what happens people want to assign blame and act like Dell is screwing up by not giving Nick Young 4 years/36m.

But I don't believe Dell pulled the offer anyway. Young had DAYS to agree to our deal. If he had said yes it would have been over with. Young was the one who waited and kept taking meetings.

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Originally Posted by 23speedkillz

Dell and Boogie together at today's gamehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ff1b44d899.jpg

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Look at him, looking all disgruntled next to Dell!! He looks like he's unhappy with the Pelicans and wants to be traded!!!
/sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Mr. West

What if all serviceable MLE targets are off the board by the time a trade is finished?

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Then we can split it on multiple players.

Yea clearly Boogie is disgruntled, lol. Dell and Boogie laughing and talking the entire time.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...8c3adbffe4.jpg

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Would think Arron Afflalo will be swooped up soon. Wolves looked at him hard before going for Jamal Crawford. Shot 41 % on threes last year.

— David Aldridge (@daldridgetnt) July 9, 2017

Would think Arron Afflalo will be swooped up soon. Wolves looked at him hard before going for Jamal Crawford. Shot 41 % on threes last year.

— David Aldridge (@daldridgetnt) July 9, 2017

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

Would think Arron Afflalo will be swooped up soon. Wolves looked at him hard before going for Jamal Crawford. Shot 41 % on threes last year.

— David Aldridge (@daldridgetnt) July 9, 2017

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He seems like one of the only options we have left

MM gets mad at me because I called him out on his bogus " insider" news reports and curses me out on Twitter calls me a winey B.... and says I'm ungrateful then he blocked me lol talk about a B..... https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f009142dfd.png


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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

MM gets mad at me because I called him out on his bogus " insider" news reports and curses me out on Twitter calls me a winey B.... and says I'm ungrateful then he blocked me lol talk about a B..... https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f009142dfd.png


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Admittedly, Mike's been grinding the gears lately. He says something will happen by the previous weekend and then when nothing does, he says it doesn't matter because there's still a ton of time before training camp.

Like, dude, you put the time limit out there lol

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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

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Screw MM! He's a narcissistic psychopath that loves attention. He doesn't know as much as he leads on and gets an attitude when you call him out on it.