Pels Off season thread

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Originally Posted by Taker597

We really gonna bet against Hornets to not match a lowly 12 million per year contract for a good shooter. They probably do it out of spite than trade him at the deadline.

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Then it seems by that logic it wouldn't be a waste of a first round pick and course correcting.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

I think he is saying that people are being petty complaining about the moves made this far. We didn?t make any overpay Asik like moves and that?s for sure. I think Griffin has done a much better job than Demps at building a team with a bright future. I think many are over valuing the first round pick we gave up. Maybe it?s shellshock from what Demps did with our Rockets picks that actually had good value.

Grffin has done a great job of bringing in staff such as one of the top trainers( which we need with Zion and Ingram.. and Pels history) and a great line of assistant coaches. The scouting department also seems to be top notch since our first round picks are still on the roster and expected to either start or come off the bench. We finally have a solid undrafted player to round things out.

The future is bright. Our team is even better by the way we drafted Murphy and signed Hart. Now Hart is asked to do less and his efficiency should drastically improve. Not to mention he is great trade bait as long as he produces much more in the reduced minutes.

Graham is consistent at the guard position, which is what we needed most. Forget the days of never knowing what you were going to get out of your PG because they could score 20 plus in one night with a high shooting percentage or turn around and shoot 3/13 but provide excellent defense with 2 turnovers to negate it. Oh and with our rebounding now, we can afford to take more threes with more confidence.

So many little things being under looked but it all comes down to the W?s. If we don?t, when then we have a chest full of assets to unload to get us to that level. The main piece is Zion. We need him to be who we think he can be. The rest will fall into place nice the way things are set up. The FO won?t tell him that but it?s the truth.


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Excellent post

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Originally Posted by Taker597

We really gonna bet against Hornets to not match a lowly 12 million per year contract for a good shooter. They probably do it out of spite than trade him at the deadline.

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Where did I say anything about Graham?

Nate Oats, on Hey Coach, said John Petty is "in camp" with the New Orleans Pelicans' G-League team, the Birmingham Squadron.

"You've got three former 'Bama players that I was able to have the fortune to coach that will be in that organization."

— Charlie Potter (@Charlie_Potter) August 20, 2021

I will absolutely be watching the Squadron this season. Love me some John Petty

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Nate Oats, on Hey Coach, said John Petty is "in camp" with the New Orleans Pelicans' G-League team, the Birmingham Squadron.

"You've got three former 'Bama players that I was able to have the fortune to coach that will be in that organization."

— Charlie Potter (@Charlie_Potter) August 20, 2021

I will absolutely be watching the Squadron this season. Love me some John Petty

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Insane he didn't get drafted or at least a summer league invite

Nevermind lazy research on my part, he was with Detroit

I wonder what the unguaranteed money was on Hardaway Jr after seeing the Josh Hart deal. It's possible they did the same thing with Hardaway as they did with Hart where they offered 25% above market value in order to get 2 unguaranteed years. Graham basically has an unguaranteed final year as well.

If you're Hardway, 4/88 with only 44 guaranteed looks worse than 4/72 fully guaranteed, or whatever the final numbers were. Not facts just a thought, and could be a simple explanation to the whole THJ thing.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

I wonder what the unguaranteed money was on Hardaway Jr after seeing the Josh Hart deal. It's possible they did the same thing with Hardaway as they did with Hart where they offered 25% above market value in order to get 2 unguaranteed years. Graham basically has an unguaranteed final year as well.

If you're Hardway, 4/88 with only 44 guaranteed looks worse than 4/72 fully guaranteed, or whatever the final numbers were. Not facts just a thought, and could be a simple explanation to the whole THJ thing.

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They certainly would not attempt to structure a contract like that with a free agent, but I can see them trying to have the last year non-guaranteed or partial guaranteed.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

They certainly would not attempt to structure a contract like that with a free agent, but I can see them trying to have the last year non-guaranteed or partial guaranteed.

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Not sure why that's certain when you're offering 4 mil more per year

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Not sure why that's certain when you're offering 4 mil more per year

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You really think anyone could compete with a FA by offering 2 fully non-guaranteed years? Especially one that signs for $72 million.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

I think he is saying that people are being petty complaining about the moves made this far. We didn?t make any overpay Asik like moves and that?s for sure. I think Griffin has done a much better job than Demps at building a team with a bright future. I think many are over valuing the first round pick we gave up. Maybe it?s shellshock from what Demps did with our Rockets picks that actually had good value.

Grffin has done a great job of bringing in staff such as one of the top trainers( which we need with Zion and Ingram.. and Pels history) and a great line of assistant coaches. The scouting department also seems to be top notch since our first round picks are still on the roster and expected to either start or come off the bench. We finally have a solid undrafted player to round things out.

The future is bright. Our team is even better by the way we drafted Murphy and signed Hart. Now Hart is asked to do less and his efficiency should drastically improve. Not to mention he is great trade bait as long as he produces much more in the reduced minutes.

Graham is consistent at the guard position, which is what we needed most. Forget the days of never knowing what you were going to get out of your PG because they could score 20 plus in one night with a high shooting percentage or turn around and shoot 3/13 but provide excellent defense with 2 turnovers to negate it. Oh and with our rebounding now, we can afford to take more threes with more confidence.

So many little things being under looked but it all comes down to the W?s. If we don?t, when then we have a chest full of assets to unload to get us to that level. The main piece is Zion. We need him to be who we think he can be. The rest will fall into place nice the way things are set up. The FO won?t tell him that but it?s the truth.


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The future is bright

I'm excited that our team feels like a team. It seems put together with reason with people's skill complimenting each other. Most importantly to me it feels like everyone wants to be here.

That said, I never saw Bledsoe's effective tanking coming before I saw him on the court and I am cringing at the thought of people complaining about Zion coming in and instead of celebrating him we hear endless exaggerated stories of him wanting out or complaints on his BMI. While we have so many hopes pinned on him , over analyzing his situation just puts unnecessary stress on us and fans and him as a player. He plays best when he plays with joy for the game. I hope we can do the same and make him feel welcomed and wanted and not picked apart and judged. The Front Office is finally doing their part. I hope we do ours.

I know that everyone we've brought in is excited to be here, outside of JV (because I haven't heard anything from him). And Hart to an extent

This enthusiasm has to be infectious. If we get Zion to really buy in on the defensive end then we could be a 5-6 seed

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Originally Posted by AusPel

I know that everyone we've brought in is excited to be here, outside of JV (because I haven't heard anything from him). And Hart to an extent

This enthusiasm has to be infectious. If we get Zion to really buy in on the defensive end then we could be a 5-6 seed

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I think there was an interview with JV in Lithuania recently. That's the only one I've seen though. I'm curious on the fit and if he will take more mid-range & 3 point shots in this roster. Maybe he could have a Brook Lopez type of transformation into shooting more 3's. But last year's team definitely needed someone else who can reliably score in the half court to allow Zion and Ingram to conserve some energy that can use on defense. I'm definitely excited for this year to begin.

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Originally Posted by bradael

I think there was an interview with JV in Lithuania recently. That's the only one I've seen though. I'm curious on the fit and if he will take more mid-range & 3 point shots in this roster. Maybe he could have a Brook Lopez type of transformation into shooting more 3's.

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I am certain management recognizes the similarity of how our team is built to the Bucks, so you can bet they'd love to have Jonas doing a nice Lopez impression. Trouble is, Zion lacks the height of Giannis and BI lacks the strength of Middleton to really emulate them on the defensive end. We are indeed starting to look like a younger 'poor man's' Milwaukee Bucks. The options are, you continually add ferocious defensive beasts to the roster to compensate, or else go the Net's route and add offensive firepower. But ALWAYS add more shooting as long as Zion is on this team.

Regardless, this next season should be exciting to watch, and our offense should be much more efficient!

I can see the Bucks comparison but also a bit of the Suns style of play minus the absolute elite level of talent they have at PG. In any case, it doesn't look like we're shaping up to be Big 3 & Change type team but something more of a Bucks/Sun fusion.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I can see the Bucks comparison but also a bit of the Suns style of play minus the absolute elite level of talent they have at PG. In any case, it doesn't look like we're shaping up to be Big 3 & Change type team but something more of a Bucks/Sun fusion.

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the more I think about this, the more I am convinced that so much is going to come down to backcourt play.....fingers crossed....

After watching a few Hornets games, Graham's highlight videos can definitely be misleading. But not necessarily in a bad way.

Despite the scoring outbreaks he is very willing to mute his game and be a pass first point guard. Sometimes to a fault to the point of disappearing. His passing is very underrated. Throws lobs as well as Lonzo.

Interesting to see how his game looks next to BI, Zion, and Jonas instead of Rozier, Bridges, PJ Washington, and Hayward.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

After watching a few Hornets games, Graham's highlight videos can definitely be misleading. But not necessarily in a bad way.

Despite the scoring outbreaks he is very willing to mute his game and be a pass first point guard. Sometimes to a fault to the point of disappearing. His passing is very underrated. Throws lobs as well as Lonzo.

Interesting to see how his game looks next to BI, Zion, and Jonas instead of Rozier, Bridges, PJ Washington, and Hayward.

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This is an aspect of his game that many people underrated. He had a higher AST% and a lower TOV% last year than Lonzo despite playing on a team with LaMelo absorbing the majority of the playmaking minutes and playing a lot of time among backups. He's a good passer.

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Originally Posted by bradael

I think there was an interview with JV in Lithuania recently. That's the only one I've seen though. I'm curious on the fit and if he will take more mid-range & 3 point shots in this roster. Maybe he could have a Brook Lopez type of transformation into shooting more 3's. But last year's team definitely needed someone else who can reliably score in the half court to allow Zion and Ingram to conserve some energy that can use on defense. I'm definitely excited for this year to begin.

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What an upgrade over Adams. The GOAT tip her back in?

I was legit sad for him when Raps traded him in their chip year. He'd been there for the start and deserved a ring as much as any of them

Cool video of NAW and Spencer Dinwiddle playing 1 on 1.

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Originally Posted by redboy0125

Cool video of NAW and Spencer Dinwiddle playing 1 on 1.

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Sheesh I wish Dinwiddie was here

What is the general consensus about current roster? Do we think our day 1 roster is as it is today or is there any potential for a move prior to season start?

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

What is the general consensus about current roster? Do we think our day 1 roster is as it is today or is there any potential for a move prior to season start?

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It's good. Better than last year on paper IMO

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

What is the general consensus about current roster? Do we think our day 1 roster is as it is today or is there any potential for a move prior to season start?

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I'm pleased with this current roster. I think Trey Murphy could be a revelation. He has FAR more ability offensively with the ball than I suspected. I knew he had plus defensive traits, but he also seems to have the dog in him to want to put the Clamps on defenders.

Of course, taking down fellow rookies is one thing. I wish I could be a fly on the wall the first time he has to guard Brandon Ingram.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

What is the general consensus about current roster? Do we think our day 1 roster is as it is today or is there any potential for a move prior to season start?

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I think we start the season as is.

Graham
NAW
BI
Zion
Jonas

The player on the hot seat will be NAW and if he doesn't deliver by All Star Break, 3M3 will replace him (too much upside defensively to ignore).

Rotation will include:

3M3
Naji
JAX/H'Gomez (whichever is playing better)
Temple
Kira/Satoransky (whichever is playing better)

Hart will begin the season in rotation, but Naji will outplay him in short order.

If we are in contention at All Star Break, we might try to rent Bradley Beal for the remainder of the season (or go all in if he agrees to an extension).

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Originally Posted by As I See It

I think we start the season as is.

Graham
NAW
BI
Zion
Jonas

The player on the hot seat will be NAW and if he doesn't deliver by All Star Break, 3M3 will replace him (too much upside defensively to ignore).

Rotation will include:

3M3
Naji
JAX/H'Gomez (whichever is playing better)
Temple
Kira/Satoransky (whichever is playing better)

Hart will begin the season in rotation, but Naji will outplay him in short order.

If we are in contention at All Star Break, we might try to rent Bradley Beal for the remainder of the season (or go all in if he agrees to an extension).

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Unless Naji is shooting above 35% from 3, he's not knocking Hart out of the rotation.

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Originally Posted by redboy0125

Cool video of NAW and Spencer Dinwiddle playing 1 on 1.

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Something about NAW's stroke I really don't like. It's just... kinda ugly

Spence has a perfect stroke

I also think NAW dribbles too high

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Sheesh I wish Dinwiddie was here

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That was the plan

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

What is the general consensus about current roster? Do we think our day 1 roster is as it is today or is there any potential for a move prior to season start?

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If everyone remained the same as last year, we would be a worse team. But everyone won't remain the same. I'm optimistic we'll see big steps forward from our young guys making the team better than it was last year. I also think we are setup very nice financially to make big plunges in the future to take the team to the next level.

So......a team of young promising players ready to make a playoff run in 2022 and the future cap flexibility to make a big splash while also maintaining a treasure trove of assets to trigger that splash.....I like where we are.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

What is the general consensus about current roster? Do we think our day 1 roster is as it is today or is there any potential for a move prior to season start?

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There is a ton of potential with this roster if they can buy in defensively (and the 3pt shooting is respectable). This is where Willie and his staff come in and we either sink or swim in both areas. Zion and Ingram bring the playmaking and scoring threat. We just have to see that step up in commitment defensively from both.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Something about NAW's stroke I really don't like. It's just... kinda ugly

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I have to agree. His stroke is somewhat unconventional. I have a hard time seeing him every becoming a really good 3 point shooter.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I have to agree. His stroke is somewhat unconventional. I have a hard time seeing him every becoming a really good 3 point shooter.

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He has such a high release though. He would have the highest release in the league.

From that video, he had multiple three pointers bouncing around the rim and falling in. That's not normal

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Sheesh I wish Dinwiddie was here

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Another guy that Griff offered the bag to and dude turned it down.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Another guy that Griff offered the bag to and dude turned it down.

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What was the offer

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Originally Posted by Pelicans47

What was the offer

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Would have been 20 mil per surely

I feel like 4 years 100 mll would have got it done

We definitely should have offered Spence the bag

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I have to agree. His stroke is somewhat unconventional. I have a hard time seeing him every becoming a really good 3 point shooter.

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Similar release to Trey murphy just a pit higher. Both have that kind of shot put motion, which makes it difficult to be consistent off the dribble but is fine for spot ups

The shot doctors on here would rather NAW shoot like Dinwiddie, who hasn't shot above 34% from 3 since 2016

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

The shot doctors on here would rather NAW shoot like Dinwiddie, who hasn't shot above 34% from 3 since 2016

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And would pay him more than 20mil per year. I guess he must be then a great defender. Oh wait ..

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Similar release to Trey murphy just a pit higher. Both have that kind of shot put motion, which makes it difficult to be consistent off the dribble but is fine for spot ups

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His is a bit different from Murphy. It's not just a shot put motion, it is also a very high shot. As announcers say, draws rain.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans47

What was the offer

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Jordan Schultz: League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track – perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per

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https://hoopshype.com/rumor/three-wa...cer-dinwiddie/

Folks kill Griff for not getting deals done, but dude has been offering $$ to a lot of guys that just don't want it.

To be fair, Jordan Schultz is almost never right about the Pels. Feels like he's more of a plug for west coast teams

More veteran leadership? Going after Paul Milsap? Do he and Willie Green or Dantoni have history I’ve forgotten about?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

More veteran leadership? Going after Paul Milsap? Do he and Willie Green or Dantoni have history I’ve forgotten about?

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The state of Louisiana has a relationship with him.

Breaking on @SportsAgentBlog: Nerlens Noel has sued NBA agent Rich Paul, claiming Paul is responsible for $58 million in lost earnings.https://t.co/mW5a9SdxQI

— Darren Heitner (@DarrenHeitner) August 24, 2021

Apparently Noel is claiming that Rich Paul ignored teams that tried inquiring about offering a contract to him, and he ended up signing the 2 year minimum with OKC after directly talking to some of the players and not based on anything Rich Paul did.

Wow. Not surprised at all. Probably won't phase their game with big name players but hopefully more people avoid them.

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Originally Posted by bradael

Apparently Noel is claiming that Rich Paul ignored teams that tried inquiring about offering a contract to him, and he ended up signing the 2 year minimum with OKC after directly talking to some of the players and not based on anything Rich Paul did.

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He only filed it in retaliation for Klutch filing a suit on him for not paying his commission. If he felt that butt hurt about it why didn't he file his suit before Klutch filed theirs? Or just pay his commission due then fire them?

And this is nothing new. These agencies get sued all the time.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

He only filed it in retaliation for Klutch filing a suit on him for not paying his commission. If he felt that butt hurt about it why didn't his before Klutch? Or just pay his commission due then fire them?

And this is nothing new. These agencies get sued all the time.

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Perhaps he recently only found out about Rich Paul ignoring teams when they reached out to him about Noel and perhaps he only realized recently that he could sue based on that.

It?s Noel?s fault for firing his previous agent and passing on the 70m deal. But if there is proof as suggested that Paul didn?t even try to help get him a contract then Paul is in serious financial and legal trouble. Could potentially even lose his ability to represent NBA players. Noel of course has to prove his allegations but discovery could easily find emails or phone calls by teams and no responses by Paul.

So Melli is going back to europe (Italy). NBA days are done. And it's not like he had a choice.

I am no where near as critical of Griff as too many are on here, but that one was an actual egg. Especially when Christian Wood was right there at the time.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

So Melli is going back to europe (Italy). NBA days are done. And it's not like he had a choice.

I am no where near as critical of Griff as too many are on here, but that one was an actual egg. Especially when Christian Wood was right there at the time.

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Pretty sure that's on Trajan Langdon.