Pels Off season thread

Is this one of those situations where this is an overpay right now, but an asset in two years as a trade piece? I know some were saying that's the idea with paying someone like Lonzo 20-22M.

I don't hate it just because I don't hate having Hart on the team. I'll be happier if he pushes that 3% up a little more.

I already got my negative energy out on this franchise. So... I think I'm gonna sit this one out and happily look at TM3 highlights. Lol.


Like where did Hart find this leverage...lmao. Ain't nobody want him...

Are we even competing against anyone for his signature? Ourselves I guess. Big overpay- but maybe that motivates him to perfect his shot. I like Hart so I?ll believe. He has to improve that shot for it to be worth though.

In his defense, were we really going to sign anyone anyways? Maybe we just said F it and gave him his money to round out the roster. Not ideal, but at least we aren?t making a bad trade and are getting a useful player back. Depth is nice. Work on that 3 ball brother

32.6% from 3 just will not cut it this year from Hart. He needs to be around 36% or he's not useful on this team, no matter how good his rebounding is.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

32.6% from 3 just will not cut it this year from Hart. He needs to be around 36% or he's not useful on this team, no matter how good his rebounding is.

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Yep. I like Hart, but he needs to live in the gym like BI and get that percentage up. Earn that contract

Why not sign Schroeder instead for less than half the price? He?s way better than Hart too.

I am really disappointed with Hart?s contract

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Yep. I like Hart, but he needs to live in the gym like BI and get that percentage up. Earn that contract

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Josh is 26. I think this is just who he is at this point.

I'd also assume this means we won't use the rest of the MLE

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Josh is 26. I think this is just who he is at this point.

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I don’t believe that. Shots are something that can be fixed later in the career. But I concur that I would not get my hopes up.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

I'd also assume this means we won't use the rest of the MLE

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Wouldn't be surprised to see a Willy overpay with a bunch of non guaranteed money to be used as trade fodder down the line

Ouch?. Def not the news I was hoping for

All of this Josh Hart stuff is weird. Wonder what went on behind the scenes b/c dude took down his number and that he's even on the team from twitter, now this over pay but I guess the hope is a large portion is not guaranteed and usable in a trade.

That being said, I did want to see how Josh and Naji would play together. Toughness and defense coming off that bench will be great.
Frank needs to help him on his shot and he needs not to run his mouth about us to other teams and people.

So, all this talk of Griffin bringing in shooting was typical Griffin talk? We swapped out Ball for Graham and added a rookie. Where is all the shooting he was going to get?

I hope this works out for us, because I'm tired of giving up assets to ship out deadweight.


Solomon Hill
Eric Bledsoe
Steven Adams

I hope Hart doesn't get added that list unless we trade for a Superstar.

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Originally Posted by PELSGIRL

All of this Josh Hart stuff is weird. Wonder what went on behind the scenes b/c dude took down his number and that he's even on the team from twitter, now this over pay but I guess the hope is a large portion is not guaranteed and usable in a trade.

That being said, I did want to see how Josh and Naji would play together. Toughness and defense coming off that bench will be great.
Frank needs to help him on his shot and he needs not to run his mouth about us to other teams and people.

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He cleaned up his IG for some other off court stuff. He never took it out of his twitter bio. People over react to nonsense.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

So, all this talk of Griffin bringing in shooting was typical Griffin talk? We swapped out Ball for Graham and added a rookie. Where is all the shooting he was going to get?

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He tried. Couldn't get it. Looks like he went after Hield and Lauri but their team(s) asking for too much in return. Also, gotta believe he prob asked about Ingles and Bodgadavich but Jazz aren't given them up now.

At least this time he didn't make any bad deals (aside for maybe this Josh Hart one) putting our team in a bind. I honestly think he goes after Lillard and/or Beal but I just don't know if we're going to be able to get either if they don't choose to play here. We'll see what happens.

Hart has been a streaky shooter if he can just hit his open shots consistently I'm not mad at all. I don't understand why he is so inconsistent because his form is nice and he has been in the league a while now. He is going to hustle, play good D and get boards ...if he can add some much needed scoring to the 2nd unit .. I'm not mad at all he deserves the money. If we didnt pay him he would have claimed we didnt appreciate him like Lonzo is claiming and lost out on him also..so Im ok with it if he can hit shots..Zion and Bi will get him open 95 percent of the time.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

You guys would be shocked how 'Gossip Girl' the entire league is. From players to coaches to execs. My theory is that the vast majority of execs and agents were nerds/losers, etc in their early years and nobody ever cared about what they have to say. Now, they have all the hot gossip and love that people hear what they want to say. They all chatter like housewives.

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Still a long leap to calling Hart a rat for Gentry.

Y'all think we still should go after Paul Milsap or we good?

There’s a very huge human element that you guys are NOT taking into account: Zion & BI love Hart. This guy proposed to his fianc? out here, wants to be here, and has established himself with the current big TWO. You do not want a situation where we ship out Ball, Jrue, and Hart so now Zion?s pissed that he has to find new friends every year. Also, we have a ********ty rebounding reputation, Hart bolstered this and also excelled in his role off the bench.

The other portion that you guys keep over-looking is Valenciunas, he brings additional offense and rebounding that we did not have last year at that position. Also, NAW as a starter should at least average 16PPG (I’m serious), that automatically enhances us on that side of the ball and upgrades our backcourt. The sky isn’t falling, he got paid and I can guarantee that if the Pels went cheap and didn?t sign this guy, Zion would be one more foot out the door. Perhaps BI too. I can guarantee that.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

So, all this talk of Griffin bringing in shooting was typical Griffin talk? We swapped out Ball for Graham and added a rookie. Where is all the shooting he was going to get?

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You cant force other teams to give you guys - and we have also seen you cant force guys to come to NOLA. The league is in a weird holding pattern right now, with a lot of teams waiting to see what happens with Ben Simmons, Lillard and a few others. Nobody wants to trade good players and teams that are willing to trade good players are waiting to see if they can trade them for great players.

Bringing back Hart for multiple years gives you another tradable contract, and more importantly since it is three years, he cant veto the trade. Nobody inside the organization thinks the roster is set, by any means, but they now have a bunch of tradeable contracts and a 17 mil TPE if/when something becomes available

How important do you think his relationship with BI and Zion contributed to his resigning?

BI yes but I didn't know Josh was that close to Zion. We need to stop having so much turnover so that's good.

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Originally Posted by jawznola

How important do you think his relationship with BI and Zion contributed to his resigning?

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Not at all - because he wont be here for very long. I would give him a 0 percent chance of finishing that 3 year contract with us, and less than a 25 percent chance of even starting year 2 of that deal on the Pels

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Originally Posted by jawznola

There’s a very huge human element that you guys are NOT taking into account: Zion & BI love Hart. This guy proposed to his fianc? out here, wants to be here, and has established himself with the current big TWO. You do not want a situation where we ship out Ball, Jrue, and Hart so now Zion?s pissed that he has to find new friends every year. Also, we have a ********ty rebounding reputation, Hart bolstered this and also excelled in his role off the bench.

The other portion that you guys keep over-looking is Valenciunas, he brings additional offense and rebounding that we did not have last year at that position. Also, NAW as a starter should at least average 16PPG (I’m serious), that automatically enhances us on that side of the ball and upgrades our backcourt. The sky isn’t falling, he got paid and I can guarantee that if the Pels went cheap and didn?t sign this guy, Zion would be one more foot out the door. Perhaps BI too. I can guarantee that.

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And we added Graham, who I think will thrive playing with BI and Zion

Terrible contract

I'll wait to see the full contract details. As agents usually leak this stuff and then the actual numbers come in a little lower with partial guarantees and the like, but this is pretty bad contract and I'm not convinced the pelicans are any more flexible than they were at the start of the offseason.

Paying near 20 million for replace level production between Hart and Temple is not a good look.

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Originally Posted by All Metro

Terrible contract

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Probably giving him a slight overpay (with in all likihood non-guaranteed money on the back end) so that he re-signs a multi-year deal that allows him to be traded in the offseason if they don't find a good trade by the deadline... similar to what the ended up doing with Adams in flipping him for JV.

Hmmmm...


Sato $10
Temple $5
Hart $12.6

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$27 million

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$17 million trade exception

That’s options folks.

But Griff really hasn't been some master deadline wizard. So, I wouldn't get your hopes up. It's still takes two to tango.

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Originally Posted by bradael

Probably giving him a slight overpay (with in all likihood non-guaranteed money on the back end) so that he re-signs a multi-year deal that allows him to be traded in the offseason if they don't find a good trade by the deadline... similar to what the ended up doing with Adams in flipping him for JV.

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The hope is that there's some form of team option, or a mostly unguaranteed 3rd year, or some bonus-related thing, such that the contract is less bad than it looks. Cause just on its face, it's not good.

Wow what a bad contract. I would have preferred to just let him walk then give him that deal.

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Originally Posted by bradael

Probably giving him a slight overpay (with in all likihood non-guaranteed money on the back end) so that he re-signs a multi-year deal that allows him to be traded in the offseason if they don't find a good trade by the deadline... similar to what the ended up doing with Adams in flipping him for JV.

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We didn’t just “flip Adams for JV”. We had to attach firsts to him and Bledsoe in order for Memphis to take that deal.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

We didn’t just “flip Adams for JV”. We had to attach firsts to him and Bledsoe in order for Memphis to take that deal.

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I mean yeah that's expected when you upgrade a position. But going from #10 to 17 when there's not really a drop off from those picks this year, and a top 10 protected Lakers pick next year which is likely around the #25th pick isn't that big of a hit.

Pelicans still also have a ton of future picks to attach to Hart to try to flip for another upgrade if another team is willing to just dump players so that they can tank, at least seemingly that's what Memphis did. Swapping JV & Grayson Allen for Adams & Bledsoe (who's now been flipped for two players on the decline, one of which is probably going to be bought out), otherwise makes no sense for them.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Wow what a bad contract. I would have preferred to just let him walk then give him that deal.

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You dont even know what the deal is yet or how its structured. But, okay

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Wow what a bad contract. I would have preferred to just let him walk then give him that deal.

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Have you seen the Smart contract??

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Not at all - because he wont be here for very long. I would give him a 0 percent chance of finishing that 3 year contract with us, and less than a 25 percent chance of even starting year 2 of that deal on the Pels

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That would make me feel better if not for the disappointment of failing to move him prior to this year. Seems pretty obvious all the other options fell through. I'll take "plan C" if it still leads to something positive, but I'm still of the opinion that THIS season needs to finish very strong or we're losing Zion.

So how bout that Temple contract eh.

How is the second year fully guaranteed

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Originally Posted by neworleanshoo

That would make me feel better if not for the disappointment of failing to move him prior to this year. Seems pretty obvious all the other options fell through. I'll take "plan C" if it still leads to something positive, but I'm still of the opinion that THIS season needs to finish very strong or we're losing Zion.

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I think you would feel much better if you knew what Zion's people have said to the team. It aint playoffs or bust in their eyes. They want to see a better roster and more wins, yes. But more than that, they want to see a clear and concise plan with leadership that is all on the same page. And they are pleased with the Willie hire. Just need to continue to relay a consistent message throughout camp, and have a team that plays with effort, and there is no immediate fear of Zion asking out

I'm kind of happy... Gives TM3 a real path to explode and get big minutes.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think you would feel much better if you knew what Zion's people have said to the team. It aint playoffs or bust in their eyes. They want to see a better roster and more wins, yes. But more than that, they want to see a clear and concise plan with leadership that is all on the same page. And they are pleased with the Willie hire. Just need to continue to relay a consistent message throughout camp, and have a team that plays with effort, and there is no immediate fear of Zion asking out

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Thanks for sharing that inside info. Definitely something we’d never get from the talking heads on TV. I think you put some fan minds at ease…definitely mine. Appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think you would feel much better if you knew what Zion's people have said to the team. It aint playoffs or bust in their eyes. They want to see a better roster and more wins, yes. But more than that, they want to see a clear and concise plan with leadership that is all on the same page. And they are pleased with the Willie hire. Just need to continue to relay a consistent message throughout camp, and have a team that plays with effort, and there is no immediate fear of Zion asking out

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Well if this is true, can't hate on them for that. Think it's what we all want.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think you would feel much better if you knew what Zion's people have said to the team. It aint playoffs or bust in their eyes. They want to see a better roster and more wins, yes. But more than that, they want to see a clear and concise plan with leadership that is all on the same page. And they are pleased with the Willie hire. Just need to continue to relay a consistent message throughout camp, and have a team that plays with effort, and there is no immediate fear of Zion asking out

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And I do like Hart coming back for the "plays with effort" aspect. It's clear SVG lost the team and Green is billed to be the type of coach players put effort out for but giving him guys like Hart, JV, Naji, Graham, TM3, and Didi should go a long way to establishing that culture.

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Originally Posted by All Metro

Terrible contract

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Hahaha. That old school sig is triggering my PTSD. We have it, now. We have our SF.....it's probably our most loaded spot.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I'm kind of happy... Gives TM3 a real path to explode and get big minutes.

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I wonder if summer league play or maybe a Buddy/Green meeting after last night's game influenced this signing.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think you would feel much better if you knew what Zion's people have said to the team. It aint playoffs or bust in their eyes. They want to see a better roster and more wins, yes. But more than that, they want to see a clear and concise plan with leadership that is all on the same page. And they are pleased with the Willie hire. Just need to continue to relay a consistent message throughout camp, and have a team that plays with effort, and there is no immediate fear of Zion asking out

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I don't just feel much better, I'm thrilled. All in on Josh Hart! Seriously, thanks for that.

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Originally Posted by neworleanshoo

I don't just feel much better, I'm thrilled. All in on Josh Hart! Seriously, thanks for that.

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But also

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Not at all - because he wont be here for very long. I would give him a 0 percent chance of finishing that 3 year contract with us, and less than a 25 percent chance of even starting year 2 of that deal on the Pels

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The Memphis Grizzlies are trading Patrick Beverley to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Jarrett Culver and Juancho Hernangomez, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 17, 2021

What are the Grizzlies even doing?

Maybe Hollinger is the GM again

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Restricted free agent G Josh Hart is closing in on a three-year, $38 million deal to stay with the New Orleans Pelicans, his agents Aaron Mintz, Steven Heumann and Dave Spahn of @CAA_Basketball tell ESPN.

? Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 16, 2021

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I like Hart as a player. I think he will pay off his new contact and will be an improvement for us. His rebounds and commitment will always be useful!