Zion injury update?! {edited" Torn meniscus - out 6-8 weeks}

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Let's see what hot take is next.

I say if he comes back and gets injured again it'll be..

"Obviously the Pelicans can't keep him healthy." "They should trade him to the Knicks,...or Lakers for assets now...yeah that's it trade him now.".

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gotta love those narratives lol especially considering the only ppl who want to go to either of those teams are second tier guys

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Given that Griff has said multiple times that they're working on flexibility and mobility, that they don't let him lift much because he adds weight too fast, that he was out of shape in Summer League and they pulled him from that to spend all summer working on his conditioning, and that he's clearly dropped weight now from even two months ago, I think it's very very very very very very safe to say that Aaron Nelson, NBA player trainer extraordinaire, has noticed that Zion's weight was too high and is bringing it down to levels he believes to be more sustainable.

We do not know how much he weighs at this point in time. Maybe his weight IS being addressed. Certainly looks like it to me.

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Don't rain on some people's parade with logic!! We must have more incoherent speculation to keep this board alive, so just stop, please!

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Sitting him all year if he is healthy makes no sense whatsoever.

Some of you just need to get used to the idea that he is a big boned big guy. He is ALWAYS going to look "fat" or "out of shape" to your eyes even when he is neither.

Everytime he has an ordinary basketball injury to his legs or feet, you are going to blame his size even when that has nothing to do with it. Even this current injury is an impact injury when his knee hit the floor. But nope, he's too "big."

Jaxson Hayes needs to sit all year. Zion Williamson does not.

Good lord.

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He needs to sit ALL YEAR. It's called risk assessment. What do we have to gain by playing a guy that is supposed to be a all-time great player this year? We should allow him to get as close to peak physical shape as he can get into before putting him on the court. This is the second time he's being sat due to knee issues and he hasn't played 1 regular season game. Why risk what could be a generational talent. This isn't simply about the injury. It's about development both his game and body.

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

I’m not a doctor, but I still think he needs to drop a few. He has a wide frame and he’s so athletic, it’s hard to see his body sustain his natural explosion, especially for someone who only knows how to move at 150 mph. Maybe that’s just me.

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It's not about being fat it's about being at peak physical shape for the task at hand. I don't know how anybody can argue that Zion is there. It matters more to him than most players because he's physically gifted in ways no player we've ever seen is gifted. It just common sense which doesn't seem all too common with some people. Not only should Zion drop 15lbs minimal and shouldn't be allowed back on the court until he's done so and any other physical workout to increase flexibility. There is zero reason to play him at all this season when you consider worse case scenario.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

He needs to sit ALL YEAR. It's called risk assessment. What do we have to gain by playing a guy that is supposed to be a all-time great player this year? We should allow him to get as close to peak physical shape as he can get into before putting him on the court. This is the second time he's being sat due to knee issues and he hasn't played 1 regular season game. Why risk what could be a generational talent. This isn't simply about the injury. It's about development both his game and body.

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Geezus ******** christ you can't be serious

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

It's not about being fat it's about being at peak physical shape for the task at hand. I don't know how anybody can argue that Zion is there.

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David Griffin just did. Can't link the piece right now, but he even said to suggest that his weight or him not being in shape as the cause for this injury is "asinine."

So unless you have Zion's body fat index or are privy to some medical information that I'm not, I'll side with Griff.

If you ask Zion to sit out the entire season, you admit that nothing has changed with this franchise and alienate the fans even further. We need to build a winning culture. Zion will play if he is healthy

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Originally Posted by luckyman

David Griffin just did. Can't link the piece right now, but he even said to suggest that his weight or him not being in shape as the cause for this injury is "asinine."

So unless you have Zion's body fat index or are privy to some medical information that I'm not, I'll side with Griff.

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Basically this.

The fact is, you (and me, we have the same info for the most part) know actually very little about the details of any players health. While it's true that we need to make sure Zion is fully healthy and okay before playing him, we don't actually have the information required ourselves to know when that is.

Aaron Nelso and the crew do. They are trained in this, and they have Zion at hand to do any checks or tests or measures they may need. If they have him, right there, in the medical room and they say that he's
1) In good physical shape, not fat
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2) recovered and ready to play

Then frankly, unless Zion steps out in the court looking like death warmed over, I don't have to knowledge on the specifics to argue with them. And neither do you.

The fact is that you, da ThRONe, are worrying far much about this. If we're going to take the route of sitting Zion for the season whenever he gets a ding or a scratch in panic, we might as well his pay him $10m a year to just sit at home every season before almost nobody survives a full season unscathed by all scrapes and knocks.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

He needs to sit ALL YEAR. It's called risk assessment. What do we have to gain by playing a guy that is supposed to be a all-time great player this year? We should allow him to get as close to peak physical shape as he can get into before putting him on the court. This is the second time he's being sat due to knee issues and he hasn't played 1 regular season game. Why risk what could be a generational talent. This isn't simply about the injury. It's about development both his game and body.

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That is flat out ridiculous. Should we wrap him in bubble wrap as well? Are you suggestion that everytime he gets an injury, we should sit him for a season? Players do not get in peak physical condition by not playing.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

David Griffin just did. Can't link the piece right now, but he even said to suggest that his weight or him not being in shape as the cause for this injury is "asinine."

So unless you have Zion's body fat index or are privy to some medical information that I'm not, I'll side with Griff.

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What part about it not being about fat don't you get??? If he is indeed carrying around 284lbs as the article suggests it doesn't matter if it's all muscle or all fat 284 is waaaaay too much.

Nobody would ever call LeBron fat yet he knew he needed to slim down.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

That is flat out ridiculous. Should we wrap him in bubble wrap as well? Are you suggestion that everytime he gets an injury, we should sit him for a season? Players do not get in peak physical condition by not playing.

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Ofcourse not. This is about getting Zion to a more optimal body style given his physical abilities. Once we've done that then it's a different story.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Basically this.

The fact is, you (and me, we have the same info for the most part) know actually very little about the details of any players health. While it's true that we need to make sure Zion is fully healthy and okay before playing him, we don't actually have the information required ourselves to know when that is.

Aaron Nelso and the crew do. They are trained in this, and they have Zion at hand to do any checks or tests or measures they may need. If they have him, right there, in the medical room and they say that he's
1) In good physical shape, not fat
And
2) recovered and ready to play

Then frankly, unless Zion steps out in the court looking like death warmed over, I don't have to knowledge on the specifics to argue with them. And neither do you.

The fact is that you, da ThRONe, are worrying far much about this. If we're going to take the route of sitting Zion for the season whenever he gets a ding or a scratch in panic, we might as well his pay him $10m a year to just sit at home every season before almost nobody survives a full season unscathed by all scrapes and knocks.

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I'm not "worrying" about anything. I've said from jump this team is deep enough for this.

And Griff just confirmed everything I've been saying. Just because someone is 6'7" 285 that doesn't mean they are too fat or that they are out of shape. Everybody has a different body type and bone density.

I literally have said that multiple times and Griff basically repeated all that just now. He even suggested Zion's body fat.

I recommend people just go listen to the interview before saying anything else.

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Originally Posted by bahmamamba

Geezus ******** christ you can't be serious

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So being 284 creates the same stress on the body as 254? There's a huge difference. Which is why doctor suggest heavier people with bone issues lose weight.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

What part about it not being about fat don't you get??? If he is indeed carrying around 284lbs as the article suggests it doesn't matter if it's all muscle are all fat 284 is waaaaay too much.

Nobody would ever call LeBron fat yet he knew he needed to slim down.

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That's just your personal uneducated opinion. You can use a large wrench that will loosen a bridge bolt, or use a small one that would snap in half. All wrenches ain't the same and all human bodies aren't the same.

You are no longer arguing with me. You're arguing with the Pelicans VP of basketball ops and the training staff now.

So have at it.

When the hell did everyone become medical and nutrition al experts!!

Everyone is talking out of their a** right now. Reminds me of the millions of lawyers on Twitter.

Breathe people. Breathe.

He’s 19 with professional medical staff supporting him 24/7. He’s gonna be fine.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

That's just your personal uneducated opinion. You can use a large wrench that will loosen a bridge bolt, or use a small one that would snap in half. All wrenches ain't the same and all human bodies aren't the same.

You are no longer arguing with me. You're arguing with the Pelicans VP of basketball ops and the training staff now.

So have at it.

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It not an opinion. More weight creates more stress on ones skeleton.

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Originally Posted by HartOfaPelican

When the hell did everyone become medical and nutrition al experts!!

Everyone is talking out of their a** right now. Reminds me of the millions of lawyers on Twitter.

Breathe people. Breathe.

He’s 19 with professional medical staff supporting him 24/7. He’s gonna be fine.

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I'm talking basic physics. You don't have to be a mathematician to know 2+2=4. The more weight a human being carries the more stress on their skeleton

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Originally Posted by luckyman

I'm not "worrying" about anything. I've said from jump this team is deep enough for this.

And Griff just confirmed everything I've been saying. Just because someone is 6'7" 285 that doesn't mean they are too fat or that they are out of shape. Everybody has a different body type and bone density.

I literally have said that multiple times and Griff basically repeated all that just now. He even suggested Zion's body fat.

I recommend people just go listen to the interview before saying anything else.

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I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was bouncing off what you were saying. I started by saying ''basically this'', because I was agreeing with you, and then continued on from your point, which is why I mentioned da ThRONe towards the end, just to clarify that I was talking about him when I mentioned worrying.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

What part about it not being about fat don't you get??? If he is indeed carrying around 284lbs as the article suggests it doesn't matter if it's all muscle or all fat 284 is waaaaay too much.

Nobody would ever call LeBron fat yet he knew he needed to slim down.

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And here lies the real behind the curtain argument.

Lebron is a perimeter player who came into the league being guarded by the likes of Keith Bogans. He’s in the mold of a SF/Guard. He makes constant cuts and darts as a smaller individual does.

Zion is a big man who a team won’t dare to even put Demar Derozen on him as a defensive assignment. Zion has a small gallop when changing directions full court.

Until people get this through their heads, they won’t understand how what they are talking about with Zions weight does not make sense. In the history of the league there has been 19 big man MVPs. 8 G/F.

Let Zion be Zion

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

It not an opinion. More weight creates more stress on ones skeleton.

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Assuming everyone has the same skeleton, which we clearly all do not. It's not a linear relationship. Which is why I keep mentioning things like bone density. And even skin melanin if you really want to get deep about that.

But I digress. Griff spoke on it. Zion will be back in December. I'm over this topic. Should be a fun game tonight.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was bouncing off what you were saying. I started by saying ''basically this'', because I was agreeing with you, and then continued on from your point, which is why I mentioned da ThRONe towards the end, just to clarify that I was talking about him when I mentioned worrying.

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Ok gotcha.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

It not an opinion. More weight creates more stress on ones skeleton.

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More weight creates more stress on a skeleton, but not all weight is the same, not all skeletons are the same, and what is considered acceptable stress depends on your goals and requirements.

In order to make a reasonable assessment of a player's weight and what their goals should be, you need to be
1) A trained medical professional and/or trainer in these issues
2) In close proximity to the player, with actual access to their actual measurements rather than just guessing (like we largely are)
3) Knowledgeable of their goals and aims.

I'm not a doctor, and I'm not an NBA trainer. I'm going to take a guess that you aren't either: if you have a medical degree, feel free to point that out to me here.

Neither of us have Zion's exact weight measurements, body fat measurements, etc etc.

Neither of us actually know what the plan is between Nelson and Zion. For all we know, they've got a goal weight in mind and a steady plan to get him to it throughout the season, and panicking about it now isn't going to change that.

As a result, your take very much is an opinion. So is mine. My opinion is that we should let the trained professionals with access to the player in question make the call.

Just going to transcribe what Griff actually said in his media availability today:

''I've seen a lot of the narrative out there about him that this happened because he's not in shape and he's too big. That kid's a freak of nature. When he went through his physical, he ran on the treadmill longer than the cardio stress test people have ever needed to put anybody through a test to get his heart rate up. That happens because he's touched by the hand of God to do this.

He's in elite condition. And he stays in elite condition. He also has a body type that we're learning how to deal with as a 19 year old kid: he can be 274lbs and 8.5% body fat. He can be 280lbs and 9% body fat. As we've gone through this process with our medical team, learning how to keep him lean and giving him the core strength, stability, and control that he needs to handle all of that torque he generates, typically that means that you're going to do things to strengthen those areas. In this case, he gains muscle mass so fast, and gains weight so fast, that nobody's ever dealt with anything like this before. So he's 19, it's going to be a learning experience for all of us, but the notion that this happened somehow because Zion's in poor condition is just asinine. He wasn't in poor condition when he went 12/13 against Utah. That's not what it is.

He's just a very unique body type and certainly, from a physics perspective 'less weight/less torque' is a theory, I get it, but you take a guy like Blake Griffin who generated the enormous torque he did and the issues he had in his career, it took a while for him to find stasis in his body and we think that could be the same with Zion.''

Says we're going to be cautious because this isn't a sprint, it's a marathon, and they're treating everyone with kid gloves. Says that they put out the timeline of 6-8 weeks, but they know Zion is going to be pushing to play a lot sooner than that, but that their job can be to protect guys from themselves and so they're not going to be rushing anything.

Catching up with David Griffin on:
Opening Night
Zion's injury
Canadian Nickeil Alexander-Walker making his NBA regular season debut in Toronto

#WontBowDown pic.twitter.com/yULTH3QgcK

— New Orleans Pelicans (@PelicansNBA) October 22, 2019

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

So being 284 creates the same stress on the body as 254? There's a huge difference. Which is why doctor suggest heavier people with bone issues lose weight.

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Yeah, but the typical person does not have the same muscle to absorb some of the impact. I trust that Nelson has a good idea of how to handle Zion and his weight/muscle distribution.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Just going to transcribe what Griff actually said in his media availability today:

''I've seen a lot of the narrative out there about him that this happened because he's not in shape and he's too big. That kid's a freak of nature. When he went through his physical, he ran on the treadmill longer than the cardio stress test people have ever needed to put anybody through a test to get his heart rate up. That happens because he's touched by the hand of God to do this.

He's in elite condition. And he stays in elite condition. He also has a body type that we're learning how to deal with as a 19 year old kid: he can be 274lbs and 8.5% body fat. He can be 280lbs and 9% body fat. As we've gone through this process with our medical team, learning how to keep him lean and giving him the core strength, stability, and control that he needs to handle all of that torque he generates, typically that means that you're going to do things to strengthen those areas. In this case, he gains muscle mass so fast, and gains weight so fast, that nobody's ever dealt with anything like this before. So he's 19, it's going to be a learning experience for all of us, but the notion that this happened somehow because Zion's in poor condition is just asinine. He wasn't in poor condition when he went 12/13 against Utah. That's not what it is.

He's just a very unique body type and certainly, from a physics perspective 'less weight/less torque' is a theory, I get it, but you take a guy like Blake Griffin who generated the enormous torque he did and the issues he had in his career, it took a while for him to find stasis in his body and we think that could be the same with Zion.''

Says we're going to be cautious because this isn't a sprint, it's a marathon, and they're treating everyone with kid gloves. Says that they put out the timeline of 6-8 weeks, but they know Zion is going to be pushing to play a lot sooner than that, but that their job can be to protect guys from themselves and so they're not going to be rushing anything.

Catching up with David Griffin on:
Opening Night
Zion's injury
Canadian Nickeil Alexander-Walker making his NBA regular season debut in Toronto

#WontBowDown pic.twitter.com/yULTH3QgcK

— New Orleans Pelicans (@PelicansNBA) October 22, 2019

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Griff going off on these fools lol

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How do we know the best way for Zion to get into what his peak, prime basketball shape is by not playing basketball? I would think if the argument is we want to get Zion to his peak it would probably be by using the sport he is going to play in as a means of achieving that peak. I mean they aren't going to throw him in the weight room to slim down.

Powerful words from Griff. If you think he is out of shape.

"I don't think he can play at that weight"

Chuck on Zion's body type heading into his first NBA season. pic.twitter.com/L8FvNSIsVs

— NBA on TNT (@NBAonTNT) October 22, 2019

Jenny Craig should do the trick

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Red shirt year! I'm going to be highly upset with our organization if Williamson plays 1 game this year. Take this entire year to develop his body in the best way possible for long term sustainability while simultaneously working on developing a jumper. Zion has to be a wing player not a big.

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This is totally absurd unless post surgery there are structural/stability issues or concerns.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

What part about it not being about fat don't you get??? If he is indeed carrying around 284lbs as the article suggests it doesn't matter if it's all muscle or all fat 284 is waaaaay too much.

Nobody would ever call LeBron fat yet he knew he needed to slim down.

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And how many years did a healthy LeBron sit out to slim down?

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Originally Posted by VooDooKnight

And how many years did a healthy LeBron sit out to slim down?

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18! Lazy idiot didn't even play his first game until 18 years into his life.

Barkley says it only takes 3 months to slim down so no we don’t shut down Zion .

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Originally Posted by VooDooKnight

And how many years did a healthy LeBron sit out to slim down?

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The question should be how many knee surgeries did he have?

People here are such Homer's they argue basic things. Nobody ever said in can't have a long career at 280. The point is he's far more likely to have a healthy career @250.

For example I can't tell anybody they can't live a long life drinking, smoking and eating unhealthy foods. However I can tell you your chances of having long healthy life increases with a healthy life style. But let's act like I'm saying something so absurd. The IQ here still needs improvement.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

People here are such Homer's they argue basic things. Nobody ever said in can't have a long career at 280. The point is he's far more likely to have a healthy career @250.

For example I can't tell anybody they can't live a long life drinking, smoking and eating unhealthy foods. However I can tell you your chances of having long healthy life increases with a healthy life style. But let's act like I'm saying something so absurd. The IQ here still needs improvement.

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It is ludicrous to sit a player an entire season to protect him. Without playing you are trying to tell him to get in better basketball shape and hone his body into something that someone on a message board thinks is better for him. When has a player ever been benched for an entire season because his body needs to be redeveloped?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

It is ludicrous to sit a player an entire season to protect him. Without playing you are trying to tell him to get in better basketball shape and hone his body into something that someone on a message board thinks is better for him. When has a player ever been benched for an entire season because his body needs to be redeveloped?

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AGAIN it's not about being in or out of shape. It's about losing weight, adding flexibility, and strengthening parts of his body that will reduce the stress on his body more specifically his knees.

Realistically Zion could drop 25-30lbs and be in worse cardiovascular shape then he is @275-280lbs. But AGAIN that's not the goal for pushing for the weight loss and that seems to be the thing people keep overlooking.

It doesn't matter if it's happen before. 1st Zion is the most unique athlete to come into the NBA. So there's no precedent for his athleticism. 2nd old players talk about load management not being a thing until it's become a thing. We have to take the best path for Zion to have a long healthy career. IMO it's pretty obvious that it's for him to do his best to reduce the amount of stress on his skeleton, tendons, and ligaments. It's better to play this as safe as possible.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

It's better to play this as safe as possible.

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Totally agree. Gotta be as safe as possible. We cannot risk anything.

Therefore I propose a revolutionary idea where we pay Zion $30m a year for the next 15 years, on the proviso that he never enter a gym, step foot on a basketball court, or even leave his own house.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Totally agree. Gotta be as safe as possible. We cannot risk anything.

Therefore I propose a revolutionary idea where we pay Zion $30m a year for the next 15 years, on the proviso that he never enter a gym, step foot on a basketball court, or even leave his own house.

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I only respond to highlight how some people react when they don't have a logical response.

Sometimes young players bodies aren't ready. In most cases it's a lacking strength or size issue. In Zion cases it having too much size. Why gamble with the franchise? In a season where we'd have to play over the teams head just to make the 8th seed.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I only respond to highlight how some people react when they don't have a logical response.

Sometimes young players bodies aren't ready. In most cases it's a lacking strength or size issue. In Zion cases it having too much size. Why gamble with the franchise? In a season where we'd have to play over the teams head just to make the 8th seed.

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I only responded that way to highlight how absurd your argument was when taken to its most extreme. Reductio ad absurdum, etc etc.

The fact of the matter is that the only thing Zion can ever do to provide value to the New Orleans Pelicans is play basketball. If he is healthy, ready to go, willing to go, etc, and you refuse to allow him to play basketball then, as someone who is getting paid $10m this season, he becomes a negative asset. Obviously that's only for a single season; I'm hoping that you wouldn't take a look at him again next year and decide he looked chunky and needed to sit out another year, but still, a single season of negative value is not what you want from an organisational standpoint. Especially when it's completely and 100% unnecessary.

Further, given that Zion is the centrepiece of this team going forward, you really need to see players get minutes alongside him to decide if they fit for this team's long team future. Ingram is staring down the barrel of $100m or more in contract value next summer; do we really want to make the choice over whether to pay him based on a year where we unnecessarily forced ourselves to lose the required data to make that decision in an informed matter?

And of course, ALL of this completely ignores the fact that you do not have any of Zion's personal medical data, and Nelson does, so if Nelson believes that it is the right thing for Zion to be playing then he is making that judgement from a far, far better position of judgement than you are.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

AGAIN it's not about being in or out of shape. It's about losing weight, adding flexibility, and strengthening parts of his body that will reduce the stress on his body more specifically his knees.

Realistically Zion could drop 25-30lbs and be in worse cardiovascular shape then he is @275-280lbs. But AGAIN that's not the goal for pushing for the weight loss and that seems to be the thing people keep overlooking.

It doesn't matter if it's happen before. 1st Zion is the most unique athlete to come into the NBA. So there's no precedent for his athleticism. 2nd old players talk about load management not being a thing until it's become a thing. We have to take the best path for Zion to have a long healthy career. IMO it's pretty obvious that it's for him to do his best to reduce the amount of stress on his skeleton, tendons, and ligaments. It's better to play this as safe as possible.

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It is just way too extreme to even be considered logical at all A perfectly healthy player does not give up a year of his career to "work on his body" We have one of the best player development guys in the business I am sure he has a plan based on actual factual information

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I only respond to highlight how some people react when they don't have a logical response.

Sometimes young players bodies aren't ready. In most cases it's a lacking strength or size issue. In Zion cases it having too much size. Why gamble with the franchise? In a season where we'd have to play over the teams head just to make the 8th seed.

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So you want to trade Zion then? Sorry I paid money to see Zion. If I have to wait till January so be it. Are you the poster that thought we should have picked Drummond over Davis years ago?

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

So you want to trade Zion then? Sorry I paid money to see Zion. If I have to wait till January so be it. Are you the poster that thought we should have picked Drummond over Davis years ago?

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Nah, he's never said anything about trading Zion. He just wants to sit Zion out a whole year even if he's healthy.

People act like teams are infallible. Isaiah Thomas was allowed to play on a bad hip. Leonard was expected to play on a bum leg. Teams for whatever reason misdiagnose or just flat out get injuries wrong enough to question their decisions.

Somebody said Zion if healthy and ready to go should play. I don't think 275-280lbs is ready to play with the grueling nature of the NBA schedule.

Either way this board is where logic comes to die. I thought maybe in my absence things may have improved I was wrong.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

So you want to trade Zion then? Sorry I paid money to see Zion. If I have to wait till January so be it. Are you the poster that thought we should have picked Drummond over Davis years ago?

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Well considering Drummond is with his original team and Davis won us nothing maybe it was a better decision than the way you are trying to make it.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Well considering Drummond is with his original team and Davis won us nothing maybe it was a better decision than the way you are trying to make it.

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Galaxy brain take

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I don't think 275-280lbs is ready to play with the grueling nature of the NBA schedule.

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The entire point here comes down to this sentence. Are you even qualified to make this statement?

If you are, then excellent! But at that point I would ask what information do you have on Zion to know if his body is unable to handle that weight?

If you aren't, well then just shut up already.

Obviously you aren't qualified and/or certainly do not have access to Zion's personal health information.

From a healthcare practitioners point of view, Zion did not gain this weight suddenly. His frame is not disproportionate. His biomechanical support structure would have developed to withstand the loads he places on his body since he has been playing the intended sport since an early age. Sure, there will be things he can work on and improve from an injury prevention point of view. If Nelson and company do not think he needs to lose weight then he doesn't need to lose weight.

Case closed. Can we move on now?

Funny thing is, I think we are almost as good with him out atm. What we miss in him though is a sure thing at the rim, and that can be crucial in crunch time.

Man that win would have been massive for confidence last night. We need these players believing in themselves while Zion is out.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Well considering Drummond is with his original team and Davis won us nothing maybe it was a better decision than the way you are trying to make it.

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So you are saying Drummond is better than Lebron? Better than Westbrook? Better than Kawhi? Because Drummond stays with original team?

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

The entire point here comes down to this sentence. Are you even qualified to make this statement?

If you are, then excellent! But at that point I would ask what information do you have on Zion to know if his body is unable to handle that weight?

If you aren't, well then just shut up already.

Obviously you aren't qualified and/or certainly do not have access to Zion's personal health information.

From a healthcare practitioners point of view, Zion did not gain this weight suddenly. His frame is not disproportionate. His biomechanical support structure would have developed to withstand the loads he places on his body since he has been playing the intended sport since an early age. Sure, there will be things he can work on and improve from an injury prevention point of view. If Nelson and company do not think he needs to lose weight then he doesn't need to lose weight.

Case closed. Can we move on now?

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It's not just my opinion it's one that's shared by sports doctors, analysts, and former players.

Teams make the wrong move as it pertains to players injuries all the time. Portland with Greg Oden for example. To the point where saying simply because the team says so therefore nobody should question their decisions is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

So you are saying Drummond is better than Lebron? Better than Westbrook? Better than Kawhi? Because Drummond stays with original team?

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Who said he was better. I said he's with the team that drafted him. It doesn't matter to OKC how great Harden, Durant, Westbrook is because it doesn't improve their teams, and at least they got to experience multiple deep playoff runs. In Davis time in NOLA we got no higher than 6th place two playoff appearances, and 5 playoff wins. Not anything to write home about and now he plays for another team. Given that little success does it really matter if we drafted Drummond over Davis right now?