Pelicans finalizing trade for Asik

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Originally Posted by Primetime

Trading for Asik makes it such that you can't trade for others (that's option B) --- hence, that's the opportunity cost. The cost of the next best option.

So to rewind:

Option A: Trade for Asik

Option B: Make other trades that take the same amount of money from Benson's pockets.

The perceived value difference between option A and option B is opportunity cost (this gets muddier when we consider that because of the Asik trade, we need to make more moves to create cap space).

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And what I am saying is that Option B could not exist because of the CBA. Like, literally not possible. I dont know how to better explain this to you. You only have so many exceptions, and he will use all of them in Option A, just as he would in a scenario where he wouldn't have gotten Asik. In the scenario where he doesnt get Asik, though, he couldnt have magically spent another 7 mil on players. There would be no exception to make this possible. Even if Benson was begging Dell to spend an extra 7 mil, it just wouldnt be possible.

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Originally Posted by Primetime

I didn't mean literally any other way, just that you can't say "well, Asik is really only worth 8.3mil". That money still leaves Benson's pockets that could have been used in some other way. Do we have any updates on the pick protection? Are you hearing anything?

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I doubt benson cares about 7 mil(not the cap,the money on top of that asik is owed due to his deal) when they got 1.5 of that covered and he's making serious revenue with the pels/saints.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Not quite. You get taken off half the difference between the amount he gets (10 mil) and the league min (1 mil). So in this case, 4.5 mil would be removed from what we owe. And if he gets 10 mil each of the years, we would get 9 mil off. 21 mil stretched over 5 years. Yeah, 4.2 mil per year. But anyway, it is basically a little less than half of what he gets over the next two years off of the total, which is then stretched over 5 years.

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Ok thanks for the clarification.

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Originally Posted by Zombiewoof

Some of you are like a guy that wins a million dollars from Publisher's Clearing House, then complains about the taxes and whines about not winning the grand prize.

To get a center that really gives AD an opportunity to reach his considerable potential, the Pelicans were going to have to give up assets. Do you believe they could have acquired a center of Asik's quality without giving up anything of value? Plus that player would likely have a huge contract attached to him as well. Certainly I would prefer that Asik were locked into a longer deal, but that's still a possibility and no center with the kind of skills the Pelicans need was going to be a bargain. It's that bargain player that would probably keep the team from achieving its objectives.

Would I rather the pick was better protected (assuming the reports are accurate)? Sure. But while some of you project the most negative scenarios in your game of What If?, isn't it just as likely that this trade and an accompanying move to secure a SF will make the team more competitive? If the Pelicans' goal was to annually put the team in the best position for the draft, then I might agree with you, but the objective is to win games, make the playoffs and, dare I say it, put the team in position to win a championship. Asik may not be the best center in the NBA, but he could very well become a piece in a larger plan to put the Pelicans in the playoff picture with a chance to do some damage once they get there, especially with the right SF.

IMHO, the Pelicans pick is more likely to be in the 20's if they secure the right SF than it is to be in the top 10, so climb off of the ledge and let's see what else Demps is up to.

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Amen and amen.

I thought Houston owed him that extra money that's not counted against the cap? I thought the Pels pay him the 8.5 or whatever, and Houston pays that extra 6/7 mill?

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

I thought Houston owed him that extra money that's not counted against the cap? I thought the Pels pay him the 8.5 or whatever, and Houston pays that extra 6/7 mill?

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No, he gets 15 mil this year from whoever has him. Houston gave us 1.5 mil to ease the burden a little, but Benson will be shelling out that money.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

I thought Houston owed him that extra money that's not counted against the cap? I thought the Pels pay him the 8.5 or whatever, and Houston pays that extra 6/7 mill?

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Whoever has the contract in the third year is responsible for the balloon payment. Only 8.5 of it is towards the cap. The rest is funny money.

Thanks guys.

I think everybody should take the time out to read this piece. Should get you pumped

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/...ouston-rockets

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think everybody should take the time out to read this piece. Should get you pumped

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/...ouston-rockets

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great article, asik is a true defensive juggernaut and rebounder, can't wait! He will help AD so much.

But also he will eat into AD's rebounds lol but will make the team better as a whole.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

great article, asik is a true defensive juggernaut and rebounder, can't wait! He will help AD so much.

But also he will eat into AD's rebounds lol but will make the team better as a whole.

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Didn't we place a bet AD was a 12Reb per game player next year? I seem to remember that.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Didn't we place a bet AD was a 12Reb per game player next year? I seem to remember that.

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aww man good point, I said he would be a 25-12-3 guy

this really hurts my odds, but i'll glady lose a bet if it means we are winning.

And for those who dont like to read and are more visual

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IFNcYpKzg

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Didn't we place a bet AD was a 12Reb per game player next year? I seem to remember that.

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And you cant forget, Austin is gonna eat in for 5 of those boards too (with 18pts and 5 assists too) j/k

My favorite quote from the article: "The primary role of any big man is to defend the paint, but Asik doesn't just "protect" the paint. He rotates around the key like a junkyard dog protecting property."

lol hate u guys, I'm trying to effectively use the law of attraction here.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think everybody should take the time out to read this piece. Should get you pumped

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/...ouston-rockets

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Ok that was well done and very impressive. Asik will help this team a lot no doubts about that.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

My favorite quote from the article: "The primary role of any big man is to defend the paint, but Asik doesn't just "protect" the paint. He rotates around the key like a junkyard dog protecting property."

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that was also my fave part.

I still think we need to trade gordon in order to be a dominant team in the West.. the dudes gonna create chemistry issues like he always does, distrusting the team.

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

I still think we need to trade gordon in order to be a dominant team in the West.. the dudes gonna create chemistry issues like he always does, distrusting the team.

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The final step. If that is somehow the next move, gonna be hard to walk away from this offseason w/o giving it an A+. Dell just needs to pull that final rabbit.

Ballsy trade. Monty gets his guy, and now our only true need is a SF (and backup SF if we're being honest). I like it.

He was my #1 choice for this off season.
Double double machine, and he dont expect to have the ball in his hands on offense.
Davis and Asik will be the best front court in the league.
Great trade.

I know AD and Ryno have to be happy they no longer has to guard centers

Keep in mind the dude averaged 12 rebounds a game one season, thats insane..
Lets hope the bulls don't land Love or Melo and are forced to trade for eric gordon to have some hope for a competitive season.

After watching some videos and doing more reading, Asik really comes off as a guy who gets off on destroying people on defense and eating rebounds. I think he couldn't care less about scoring. He just wants to rock people on defense.

I can respect that.

Edited for MM's sanity.

BTW - I just want to prepare you all. When Simmons wakes up he will bash the trade. Probably say something like

"They could have just kept Lopez, who is the better player, and still had their 1st rounder."

Even though I distinctly remember a podcast where he was saying for Portland to be true contenders, they should try to upgrade Lopez to Asik by using CJ McCollum.

Just warning you all. It is coming.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

After watching some videos and doing more reading, Asik really comes off as a guy who gets off on destroying people on defense and eating rebounds. I think he could care less about scoring. He just wants to rock people on defense.

I can respect that.

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It's he "couldn't care less."

Sorry. Random big pet peeve of mine.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

It's he "couldn't care less."

Sorry. Random big pet peeve of mine.

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Maybe I meant it how I said it.

Or maybe it's late and I'm not paying attention. Lol.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

BTW - I just want to prepare you all. When Simmons wakes up he will bash the trade. Probably say something like

"They could have just kept Lopez, who is the better player, and still had their 1st rounder."

Even though I distinctly remember a podcast where he was saying for Portland to be true contenders, they should try to upgrade Lopez to Asik by using CJ McCollum.

Just warning you all. It is coming.

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Who is this Simmons you speak of? I COULDn't care less what he thinks.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

BTW - I just want to prepare you all. When Simmons wakes up he will bash the trade. Probably say something like

"They could have just kept Lopez, who is the better player, and still had their 1st rounder."

Even though I distinctly remember a podcast where he was saying for Portland to be true contenders, they should try to upgrade Lopez to Asik by using CJ McCollum.

Just warning you all. It is coming.

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And I say suck it Simmons

At 1:23 in the video, was that James Harden on the help D :hihi:

So has there been any details on who and what was involved for Asik?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

So has there been any details on who and what was involved for Asik?

Thanks

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supposedly Asik for 2015 1st rounder 4-19 protected.

well actually 1-3, 20-30 protected.

So no players from the finishing 5 involved to make space?

What Guru is trying to say is, Asik for a 1st that Houston gets if it is between 4 and 19.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

So no players from the finishing 5 involved to make space?

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Not to Houston. One of those 5 or Rivers HAS to be moved somewhere. there is only rumors of which one and to where right now though.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Not to Houston. One of those 5 or Rivers HAS to be moved somewhere. there is only rumors of which one and to where right now though.

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So one of those five in another trade for another player from Boston?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Not to Houston. One of those 5 or Rivers HAS to be moved somewhere. there is only rumors of which one and to where right now though.

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sorry dbl post

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

So one of those five in another trade for another player from Boston?

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From Boston? It could be any team. Rumor is not Boston ATM, but who knows what happens over night?

Also it would be any of our core 5 or Rivers. I think it's safe to remove AD from the list however. Odds are Dell is shopping for the best deal.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

From Boston? It could be any team. Rumor is not Boston ATM, but who knows what happens over night?

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Trust me it's Boston

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Trust me it's Boston

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Then you have a source none of us do. I might understand if you got confused if you heard the same rumor as we did.

Maybe you've heard something else? Care to pm it to me?

No one said anything about Boston...yet?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Then you have a source none of us do. I might understand if you got confused if you heard the same rumor as we did.

Maybe you've heard something else? Care to pm it to me?

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Check your PM.....I'll be very upset if this happens

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Check your PM.....I'll be very upset if this happens

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Is there a new rumor now?

Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that the Rockets are set to deal C Omer Asik to the Pelicans for a future first-round draft pick and $1.5 million.

This should be about a done deal and it's a big move for the Pelicans, who had a lot of injury and depth problems at center last season. Look for Asik to start alongside Anthony Davis next season, and look for his fantasy value to take a nice jump now that he no longer has to deal with Dwight Howard. As for the Rockets, they're clearly making monetary space in hopes of acquiring LeBron James or Carmelo Anthony. Additionally, Michael McNamara is reporting that the Pelicans have to trade Austin Rivers or Eric Gordon in order to take on Asik, so there's likely more to come in this deal after the draft.


Related: Carmelo Anthony, Eric Gordon, Austin Rivers



Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter

Jun 25 - 10:13 PM

What do I love about this post on Rotoworld? Who the hell is MM? He is quoted like he is ESPN, NBATV, or dare I say Bill Simmons. Congrats Michael, you do great work! #deserved

There is no new rumor. Aussie got some information confused. I explained it to him in pm. He was referencing the rumor Havoc mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

There is no new rumor. Aussie got some information confused. I explained it to him in pm. He was referencing the rumor Havoc mentioned.

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I'm guessing he had mistaken "player X" with another player with the same last name? That where Boston came from?

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

I'm guessing he had mistaken "player X" with another player with the same last name? That where Boston came from?

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I don't want to get too exact but possibly

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

I'm guessing he had mistaken "player X" with another player with the same last name? That where Boston came from?

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Sorry for the mix up.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Yes I'd rather the Green from Boston.....but I still don't like the trade.
Sorry for the mix up.

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well the green from boston is also 2.25x more expensive.