Pelican draft workouts

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

he already did opt out, he is a free agent

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That's impossible.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

That's impossible.

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Last week he stated that he will be opting out, maybe he didn't on paper yet but he himself said he is

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Last week he stated that he will be opting out, maybe he didn't on paper yet but he himself said he is

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Then that makes your statement false.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Then that makes your statement false.

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This is true, regardless he will be a free agent next season

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Originally Posted by Kibner

This draft has the best chance of any draft since 2000 to have the fewest impact players. It may end up with a lot of rotation players, but not many difference makers.

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Depends on your definition of difference makers. I see little difference between this year and most, aside from the lack of a clearcut top 2. Which is important to grading the class, but irrelevant to us at 6.

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Depends on your definition of difference makers. I see little difference between this year and most, aside from the lack of a clearcut top 2. Which is important to grading the class, but irrelevant to us at 6.

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I gave my definition in a later post.

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Originally Posted by Kibner

Impact ever. To quantify that a bit, I mean players good enough to make All-Star and/or All-NBA teams. A star player, basically. Obviously, there also don't appear to be any superstars in this draft, which I define as a player being considered underpaid if they receive a max deal.

A starter or rotation player is not an impact player in my eyes. You can pick those up in free agency or with later draft picks (in most drafts) relatively reliably.

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Here's something I say whenever the topic of a bad draft comes up. Something like half the stars in the NBA were not expected to be when drafted. Tony Parker, Marc Gasol, Steph Curry, James Harden, Kevin Love, Rajon Rondo, Brook Lopez, Joakim Noah, Paul George, Roy Hibbert, Brook Lopez are all-star caliber players off the top of my head, who weren't drafted with all-star dom in mind.

What it comes down to is that there's two types of stars. There's stars like Rose, Durant, Melo, Griffin, etc. that came into the league expected to be on, then were. Then there's those Curry, George, Noah types who weren't any more highly projected than players picked in similar spots this draft. When a draft is called one without stars, the only thing that's certain is that it lacks the former group. The unpredictable type of star is still very possible. If this draft is full of prospects who take a Harden, Curry, George, Noah, Hibbert, etc. type of path to stardom, it can still be one of the best drafts of the last few decades

Overall the NBA just isn't reliable enough at drafting for the assertion of a bad draft or a good draft before it happens, to mean anything. They're expected to be wrong about half the players and with an error rate that high, it's easily within the margin of error that a bad draft turns into a good draft, like 2009. Put it this way asking the NBA and media to tell you how good a draft is, is like getting a college kid who got 40% on his bio test to tell you what your X-Rays mean, it's just not a trustworthy prognosis

Also I disagree about drafting a starter as not being a big deal. If a team can get Mike Conley, Jr. or Luol Deng out of a draft even if they're not real stars, that improves their future a lot. Not to mention that a young starting caliber player can become a great trade asset, like the LAC pick of Eric Gordon helping them trade for Chris Paul

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Originally Posted by RAMIL7

Monty "...I’m trying to look at it how he (draft prospect) fits in our offense, how he can come off a screen and how he’s going to run this pick and roll."

Seems pretty obvious why Burke is on their radar. Given, he's the only scheduled prospect thus far in the draft; and he fits perfectly in the offense imo. Analyzing Monty's comments, it seems that finding a player that can effectively run the PnR is a major priority. Noone's better at that in the draft than burke

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I was about to post just this. Burke come on doooooooooooown.

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Originally Posted by Shack1212

Here's something I say whenever the topic of a bad draft comes up. Something like half the stars in the NBA were not expected to be when drafted. Tony Parker, Marc Gasol, Steph Curry, James Harden, Kevin Love, Rajon Rondo, Brook Lopez, Joakim Noah, Paul George, Roy Hibbert, Brook Lopez are all-star caliber players off the top of my head, who weren't drafted with all-star dom in mind.

What it comes down to is that there's two types of stars. There's stars like Rose, Durant, Melo, Griffin, etc. that came into the league expected to be on, then were. Then there's those Curry, George, Noah types who weren't any more highly projected than players picked in similar spots this draft. When a draft is called one without stars, the only thing that's certain is that it lacks the former group. The unpredictable type of star is still very possible. If this draft is full of prospects who take a Harden, Curry, George, Noah, Hibbert, etc. type of path to stardom, it can still be one of the best drafts of the last few decades

Overall the NBA just isn't reliable enough at drafting for the assertion of a bad draft or a good draft before it happens, to mean anything. They're expected to be wrong about half the players and with an error rate that high, it's easily within the margin of error that a bad draft turns into a good draft, like 2009. Put it this way asking the NBA and media to tell you how good a draft is, is like getting a college kid who got 40% on his bio test to tell you what your X-Rays mean, it's just not a trustworthy prognosis

Also I disagree about drafting a starter as not being a big deal. If a team can get Mike Conley, Jr. or Luol Deng out of a draft even if they're not real stars, that improves their future a lot. Not to mention that a young starting caliber player can become a great trade asset, like the LAC pick of Eric Gordon helping them trade for Chris Paul

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Excellent points.

That's what makes me salivate most of all. Bring back the Crescent City Connection! Burke to Davis should be just what the doctor ordered. Not to mention that with Davis's burgeoning jumper he can run the pick n pop too.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

That's what makes me salivate most of all. Bring back the Crescent City Connection! Burke to Davis should be just what the doctor ordered. Not to mention that with Davis's burgeoning jumper he can run the pick n pop too.

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All day long. I envision Burke to Davis being as good or better than Paul to Chandler, and Davis' pick and pop being as effective as West's.

Another in the long list of reasons that I want Burke so badly.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

I'm thinking they'll bring back AFA and Darius. Still need a "starter" at the 3 but I can see them bringing those 2 back.

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IMO, AFA gets overpaid and walks.

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Originally Posted by Shack1212

Here's something I say whenever the topic of a bad draft comes up. Something like half the stars in the NBA were not expected to be when drafted. Tony Parker, Marc Gasol, Steph Curry, James Harden, Kevin Love, Rajon Rondo, Brook Lopez, Joakim Noah, Paul George, Roy Hibbert, Brook Lopez are all-star caliber players off the top of my head, who weren't drafted with all-star dom in mind.

What it comes down to is that there's two types of stars. There's stars like Rose, Durant, Melo, Griffin, etc. that came into the league expected to be on, then were. Then there's those Curry, George, Noah types who weren't any more highly projected than players picked in similar spots this draft. When a draft is called one without stars, the only thing that's certain is that it lacks the former group. The unpredictable type of star is still very possible. If this draft is full of prospects who take a Harden, Curry, George, Noah, Hibbert, etc. type of path to stardom, it can still be one of the best drafts of the last few decades

Overall the NBA just isn't reliable enough at drafting for the assertion of a bad draft or a good draft before it happens, to mean anything. They're expected to be wrong about half the players and with an error rate that high, it's easily within the margin of error that a bad draft turns into a good draft, like 2009. Put it this way asking the NBA and media to tell you how good a draft is, is like getting a college kid who got 40% on his bio test to tell you what your X-Rays mean, it's just not a trustworthy prognosis

Also I disagree about drafting a starter as not being a big deal. If a team can get Mike Conley, Jr. or Luol Deng out of a draft even if they're not real stars, that improves their future a lot. Not to mention that a young starting caliber player can become a great trade asset, like the LAC pick of Eric Gordon helping them trade for Chris Paul

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Very, very solid points here, I have nothing to add except thanks for writing this haha.

Speaking of workouts:

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Jim Eichenhofer @Jim_Eichenhofer
Monty's b-ball camp at Alario Center has begun at 9 a.m. all week, so Pelicans players have been arriving at 7 a.m. to get their workouts in

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Chris Miles ‏@mileswdsu 34m

Team confirms Ben Mclemore will be in New Orleans this weekend for an INTERVIEW not a workout

I guess his agent nixed any further workouts after that "out of shape" deal :hihi:

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Originally Posted by kaitos

Chris Miles ‏@mileswdsu 34m

Team confirms Ben Mclemore will be in New Orleans this weekend for an INTERVIEW not a workout

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McLemore will be the pick

Pelicans GM Dell Demps is in Washington DC today at a Victor Oladipo workout

— Chris Miles (@mileswdsu) June 21, 2013

McLemore and Oladipo workouts are in response to GM's believing Burke to Orlando at #2 is very, very real. That causes a domino effect that will likely end with one of those SG's still on the board at 6

If McLemore is there. Wow.

Oladipo...ug.

Christ. I don't know which I'd perfer more.

I like Oladipo's ability to make clutch plays. But I also like McLemore's offense, though he doesn't really assert himself.

If Burke goes to Orlando, things will get very, very interesting. It's what's so exciting about this draft. I hope we give KCP a look as well.

If we take mclemore or dipo, Gordon will sulk so hard.

Gordon can sulk his way to the door if we get McLemore.

Gordon will move to PG... for the Phoenix Suns lol

I like Burke but would be much more excited with Oladipo or McLemore.

In all seriousness Rivers would probably take over the point and Mclemore will probably backup Gordon for a year unless we have something in mind for him tradewise.

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Originally Posted by donato

I like Burke but would be much more excited with Oladipo or McLemore.

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Can't get overly excited about Oladipo.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

In all seriousness Rivers would probably take over the point and Mclemore will probably backup Gordon for a year unless we have something in mind for him tradewise.

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Is your avatar of the Witcher?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Can't get overly excited about Oladipo.

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Great kid, physical specimen, great shooting stroke, can work in the PnR, why not?

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Originally Posted by Smirk

If McLemore is there. Wow.

Oladipo...ug.

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I'm actually flopped on this. BM's lack of a killer instinct turns me off. That usually doesn't go away, a shooting stroke and creating for one's self can be worked on.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Is your avatar of the Witcher?

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You betcha mother****a

Oladipo and McLemore.

Question I ask myself is: Who would have looked better in last night's game?

Only question that really matters to me. We say "Well I think this guy can average blah and blah...." Who cares? Only one team wins a title. How do you think each of those guys would look in a game like that? Projecting forward, which guy do you think helps his team more in a game like that, not game 47 of the regular season?

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

You betcha mother****a

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How's 2? I played through 1/2 of 1 and trounced a couple of maidens and got complacent.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Oladipo and McLemore.

Question I ask myself is: Who would have looked better in last night's game?

Only question that really matters to me. We say "Well I think this guy can average blah and blah...." Who cares? Only one team wins a title. How do you think each of those guys would look in a game like that? Projecting forward, which guy do you think helps his team more in a game like that, not game 47 of the regular season?

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McLemore because he can get you points.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Oladipo and McLemore.

Question I ask myself is: Who would have looked better in last night's game?

Only question that really matters to me. We say "Well I think this guy can average blah and blah...." Who cares? Only one team wins a title. How do you think each of those guys would look in a game like that? Projecting forward, which guy do you think helps his team more in a game like that, not game 47 of the regular season?

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Dipo's defense and ability to absorb contact IE draw fouls on offense. He's REALLY strong and has 30 lbs. on BM.

Also in a "take the shot" situation, it's a push if anything.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

How's 2? I played through 1/2 of 1 and trounced a couple of maidens and got complacent.

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Its pretty fun. I love RPG's and the fact that this one is non linear makes it awsome. I hear ppl whining that its so difficult, but im playing on Dark and its certainly beatable.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

McLemore because he can get you points.

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So could Danny Green until he couldn't. If you can't put the ball on the floor and create for yourself, eventually a team will shut you down in a long series.

See: Peja in Game 7, 2008 and Danny Green last two games.

Meanwhile Oladipo is more Kawhi Leonard to me. Will defend like a beast and can get you rebounds and points in unorthodox ways

Fun facts:

McLemore and Dipo had almost exactly the same combine numbers and measurements, except in two areas:

Wingspan (Oladipo +2 inches) and lane agility (Oladipo .10 faster @ 24 lbs heavier)

i agree

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

So could Danny Green until he couldn't. If you can't put the ball on the floor and create for yourself, eventually a team will shut you down in a long series.

See: Peja in Game 7, 2008 and Danny Green last two games.

Meanwhile Oladipo is more Kawhi Leonard to me. Will defend like a beast and can get you rebounds and points in unorthodox ways

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this is a fun topic
McLemore can get his own shot. Not only that, Dipo doesn't stretch the floor like McLemore does. In their college careers, Dipo only got 18% of his offensive production last season from his 3 point shot. Sure he had a good percentage last year but i'm willing to bet most would happily leave him some space behind the arch and sag off a bit. Meanwhile, Mclemore gets 37% of **** offensive production from the 3 point shot, 42% from 2 pointers and 20% from FTs. MUCH more balanced and much less weakness in his offensive game; to boot Mclemore almost was a member of the 50-40-90 club in college. I think if you look at it objectively, Spurs needed Mclemore and Heat would have wanted Dipo.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

this is a fun topic
McLemore can get his own shot. Not only that, Dipo doesn't stretch the floor like McLemore does. In their college careers, Dipo only got 18% of his offensive production last season from his 3 point shot. Sure he had a good percentage last year but i'm willing to bet most would happily leave him some space behind the arch and sag off a bit. Meanwhile, Mclemore gets 37% of **** offensive production from the 3 point shot, 42% from 2 pointers and 20% from FTs. MUCH more balanced and much less weakness in his offensive game; to boot Mclemore almost was a member of the 50-40-90 club in college. I think if you look at it objectively, Spurs needed Mclemore and Heat would have wanted Dipo.

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I'm not so sure of that. Dipo only took 2 threes a game last year, isn't it a good thing that he was making his two's and getting to the line? Also, if he is taking 3-4 a game and still making it at 40%+, they won't sag off.

McLemore is much more Ray Allen than Danny Green. Either way, they both had major impacts in the finals.

And let's not understate this. This isn't shooter vs athlete. McLemore is uber athletic as well. He's far from just a jump shooter, he's a guy that plays way above the rim. Plenty talented enough to stay with anyone on defense, and out jump anyone for a rebound.

It's his quick release that gets people excited though. That's the part of his game that leaves me with no doubt he can succeed.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Oladipo and McLemore.

Question I ask myself is: Who would have looked better in last night's game?
Only question that really matters to me. We say "Well I think this guy can average blah and blah...." Who cares? Only one team wins a title. How do you think each of those guys would look in a game like that? Projecting forward, which guy do you think helps his team more in a game like that, not game 47 of the regular season?

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Porter because he can play better defense and knock down open jumpers, which allows him to stay on court longer.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

I'm not so sure of that. Dipo only took 2 threes a game last year, isn't it a good thing that he was making his two's and getting to the line? Also, if he is taking 3-4 a game and still making it at 40%+, they won't sag off.

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College 3's versus NBA 3's and i'm less sure Dipo's will translate into the NBA then Mclemore. Dipo got to the line but they get the same % of their points from the line, McLemore capitalizes on his FT opportunities better.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

So could Danny Green until he couldn't. If you can't put the ball on the floor and create for yourself, eventually a team will shut you down in a long series.

See: Peja in Game 7, 2008 and Danny Green last two games.

Meanwhile Oladipo is more Kawhi Leonard to me. Will defend like a beast and can get you rebounds and points in unorthodox ways

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Mclemore is no defensive slouch either. His defensive stats are right there with dipo as well. Give me mclemore 10-10x.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

College 3's versus NBA 3's and i'm less sure Dipo's will translate into the NBA then Mclemore. Dipo got to the line but they get the same % of their points from the line, McLemore capitalizes on his FT opportunities better.

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Good point. I was just about to say his game translates better to nba IMO. Just saw u said same thing. So I'll just say I agree.

I think the people saying McLemore can't put the ball on the ground are kind of overstating it.

I think if nothing else we should be excited to have a shot at either one. I believe either one can improve our team. Too bad they weren't tall enough to fill our three spot

I still think baring a fruitful free agent period we will be lottery bound next year

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Originally Posted by sclark

I think if nothing else we should be excited to have a shot at either one. I believe either one can improve our team. Too bad they weren't tall enough to fill our three spot

I still think baring a fruitful free agent period we will be lottery bound next year

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Well you have to wonder if the Magic take Burke at 2, are we in the Bledsoe running?

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I think the people saying McLemore can't put the ball on the ground are kind of overstating it.

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I wonder about that. I mean, when people say "Can't create own offense." What does that even mean? Does it have to dfribble the ball up, fake one way, drive the other, spin, then layup? Or maybe jab step then put up a shot? I mean, they ran a lot of alley oop plays for McLemore. And he's VERY adept at moving off the ball. Isn't that as much creating your own offense? Going off the ball? I mean, assuming we take him instead of Burke, we'll still have a very good passer in Vasquez out there.

And McLemore is hardly a poor ball handler.

Seems like people are parroting generic player evals without really believing it themselves.