Game Thread: Nets @ Hornets

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Originally Posted by sterlr

Well, he is the QB that can't guard anyone. He may score but causes more mismatches than anyone because his man drives by him like he's on a freeway. This team needs to compete for the whole game to win. We're just not good enough or deep enough play a bad quarter.

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He's still not the sole reason we lost this game though.

You won't win by playing catch up.

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Originally Posted by Kibner

Agreed. Greivis is a solid average to above average PG, imo. We didn't rebound, missed rotations, and clanked many an open shot in players' favorite spots. Also, lots of missed layups.

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Right. It was terrible from jumpball. I said it earlier that we were playing soft. Nobody seemed to have any lift on the layups. They were playing scared and the refs contributed to that because we looked like we were scared to move early in the game.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Anyone saw the brawl between GS and IND?

DWest shoved his former coach Mike Malone lol

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Gordon shot 70% at the rim last season.

55% this season.

66% his last season in LA.

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

Right. It was terrible from jumpball. I said it earlier that we were playing soft. Nobody seemed to have any lift on the layups. They were playing scared and the refs contributed to that because we looked like we were scared to move early in the game.

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won the 2nd half by 12... problem is the team lost the 1st half by 16

I never said he was the sole reason, but a big contributor because as a PG you handle the ball alot and control the flow.

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Originally Posted by sterlr

I never said he was the sole reason, but a big contributor because as a PG you handle the ball alot and control the flow.

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Yeah, a big contributor because he didn't rebound enough, didn't steal the ball enough, didn't protect the rim enough. When his man gets by him where were our bigs? I remember when CP3 used to always get by Deron Williams. It didn't matter though because there was always a big (Kirlilenko, Harpring, etc.) right there to stop CP3 in his tracks. We know Greivis is slow and not a good defender but other things contribute to losses too. They certainly did tonight.

they hit their open shots from deep. that was the game

They MADE almost as many 3's as we ATTEMPTED tonight.

The rebounding was almost even but they won the rebound edge by 3.

Nobody had more rebounds than Greivis. Where are our rebounders?

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Jim Eichenhofer ‏@Jim_Eichenhofer
Monty on A.Davis not playing in 4th quarter: "When I'm looking at a guy holding his shoulder like that, I'm not going to put him back in."

Jim Eichenhofer ‏@Jim_Eichenhofer
Monty on decisions on injured players: "I have to be the brains for our guys. These guys mean a lot to me. I have to err on side of caution"

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So anxious for next season. So curious to see who we sign and draft.

The love for Greivis on this board has reached dangerously terrible heights. Dude just really isn't that good and for once I agree with MM, he puts up great stats on a bad team.

Also, why in the world was Roger Mason in the game almost the entire 4th quarter? We take out the guy who just hit a big three and is playing legitimate defense (Rivers) and leave Mason in the game so he can make Keith Bogans look All-NBA. Dude double-teamed THREE times to the ball and left Keith Bogans wide open. Worse yet, he actually allowed the ball to get passed to Bogans, worse yet, Bogans was RIGHT THERE! Not double, pass, pass, pass, three San Antonio style. How bout a double, pass, three, Roger Mason D-style. Monty's inconsistency regarding who plays and who doesn't based on their defense drives me mad. Roger Mason Jr. actually earned the -8 in the plus/minus tonight, if not more.

It really is simple and here we go throwing me into the flames again for my suggestions, but Eric Gordon needs to touch the ball like James Harden touches the ball in Houston. EG10 is just simply a better basketball player that is somehow playing 2nd fiddle to an average basketball player. There's no consistency in his usage and I think that is a HUGE reason for his struggles.

Yeah yeah.
"EG10 sux"
"Pay Vasquez whatever he wants now"

Bottom line, EG10 and GV can't co-exist on a decent team. Again, my opinion that's worth nothing on this site but I'll say it anyways. I'd much rather roll the dice on talent than be forced to watch the General run an offense for the next 4 years and dominate the ball because he's a "high character" guy.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

So anxious for next season. So curious to see who we sign and draft.

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I don't usually like to rush time, but I'm with you.

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

They MADE almost as many 3's as we ATTEMPTED tonight.

The rebounding was almost even but they won the rebound edge by 3.

Nobody had more rebounds than Greivis. Where are our rebounders?

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What happened to pink drawers monty? Hes become soft.

Also, AFA and AR, keep doing your thing. We see you.

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Originally Posted by ImSorryMonty

The love for Greivis on this board has reached dangerously terrible heights. Dude just really isn't that good and for once I agree with MM, he puts up great stats on a bad team.

Also, why in the world was Roger Mason in the game almost the entire 4th quarter? We take out the guy who just hit a big three and is playing legitimate defense (Rivers) and leave Mason in the game so he can make Keith Bogans look All-NBA. Dude double-teamed THREE times to the ball and left Keith Bogans wide open. Worse yet, he actually allowed the ball to get passed to Bogans, worse yet, Bogans was RIGHT THERE! Not double, pass, pass, pass, three San Antonio style. How bout a double, pass, three, Roger Mason D-style. Monty's inconsistency regarding who plays and who doesn't based on their defense drives me mad. Roger Mason Jr. actually earned the -8 in the plus/minus tonight, if not more.

It really is simple and here we go throwing me into the flames again for my suggestions, but Eric Gordon needs to touch the ball like James Harden touches the ball in Houston. EG10 is just simply a better basketball player that is somehow playing 2nd fiddle to an average basketball player. There's no consistency in his usage and I think that is a HUGE reason for his struggles.

Yeah yeah.
"EG10 sux"
"Pay Vasquez whatever he wants now"

Bottom line, EG10 and GV can't co-exist on a decent team. Again, my opinion that's worth nothing on this site but I'll say it anyways. I'd much rather roll the dice on talent than be forced to watch the General run an offense for the next 4 years and dominate the ball because he's a "high character" guy.

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Vazquez is fine in most games (if hes efficient). He tends to screw us royally in certain games though. I do like how he and gordon are sharing duties more though.

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

Yeah, a big contributor because he didn't rebound enough, didn't steal the ball enough, didn't protect the rim enough. When his man gets by him where were our bigs? I remember when CP3 used to always get by Deron Williams. It didn't matter though because there was always a big (Kirlilenko, Harpring, etc.) right there to stop CP3 in his tracks. We know Greivis is slow and not a good defender but other things contribute to losses too. They certainly did tonight.

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Due to a combination of rule changes, freak athletic guards, and the prevalence of stretch bigs, it is very important that your bigs are long and quick on their feet in order to contest shots at the rim. Any good screening team will prevent a guard from being able to consistently stick with his man unless he is an elite athlete like Westbrook.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

What happened to pink drawers monty? Hes become soft.

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:hihi:

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

Yeah, a big contributor because he didn't rebound enough, didn't steal the ball enough, didn't protect the rim enough. When his man gets by him where were our bigs? I remember when CP3 used to always get by Deron Williams. It didn't matter though because there was always a big (Kirlilenko, Harpring, etc.) right there to stop CP3 in his tracks. We know Greivis is slow and not a good defender but other things contribute to losses too. They certainly did tonight.

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They were caught out of position trying to rotate to his man causing WIDE open shots at the 3pt line.

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Originally Posted by Kibner

Due to a combination of rule changes, freak athletic guards, and the prevalence of stretch bigs, it is very important that your bigs are long and quick on their feet in order to contest shots at the rim. Any good screening team will prevent a guard from being able to consistently stick with his man unless he is an elite athlete like Westbrook.

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While true, he is still a liability on defense. I wish Vazquez was the answer i really do. He isnt dominant enough on offense to make up for his shortcomings. He has some stellar games- and then you get game losers like that travesty of a shot (Dallas if i remember correctly). Drives me nuts

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Originally Posted by Hornet 0010

How are things going with the new court design.

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Yeah, I'm not trying to say he is a defensive stalwart or is even average at that end of the ball. I feel he makes up for that with a superior offensive game. He takes fewer bad shots than most guards and needs to be guarded anywhere on the court.

E: I quoted the wrong post, but point still stands.

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

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I bet no call was made.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I bet no call was made.

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I'll bet you're right. He was called for 1 foul all night. I've seen pictures where I'm sure he should've been called for at least 3.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Gordon is shooting 4/14 for .211. Vasquez 7/17 for .411. I think you have things confused.

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I have nothing confused buddy boi, Vasquez(your fav) sucks as a starter. He's a backup, Period!!!!
#BrainFartCity


...and for you to compare him to another struggling player is FUNNY!

I seriously wonder whether the officials are bribed or just flat out blind. Wouldnt be surprised.

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

I'll bet you're right. He was called for 1 foul all night. I've seen pictures where I'm sure he should've been called for at least 3.

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Was that the shot that was called a jumpball? I don't even remember. That monster Aminu block was called for a foul and that pissed off EVERYONE in the arena tonight.

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

I'll bet you're right. He was called for 1 foul all night. I've seen pictures where I'm sure he should've been called for at least 3.

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Just did a little research and it appears I'm right. You can clearly read 4:35 on the clock and according to the play by play Brook Lopez blocked a Eric Gordon layup at 4:33 in the first quarter.

^^ That just flat out sucks.

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Originally Posted by Kibner

Was that the shot that was called a jumpball? I don't even remember. That monster Aminu block was called for a foul and that pissed off EVERYONE in the arena tonight.

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I don't think so. I think Aminu and Wallace jump balled.

Gordon should have lived at the FT line tonight, but refs were poo.

1 thing is certain Vasquez and Lopez will be traded some time in the off season so let's hope they play well to raise their trade value. Can't wait for next year and our top 5 pick. C ya gravy!!!! Unless of course he's willing to play pg on the 2nd unit but pretty sure he's trade bait cuz whatever we get for him we will be getting for pondexter which will be great on demps part. Vasquez is so dam slow it's annoying.

So what does that make us 0-12 in games decided by 5pts or less?

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Gordon should have lived at the FT line tonight, but refs were poo.

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They'll probably be worse tomorrow. If that's even possible. The fans were voicing a lot of displeasure about them tonight. :hihi:

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

They'll probably be worse tomorrow. If that's even possible. The fans were voicing a lot of displeasure about them tonight. :hihi:

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I felt like they were getting booed all game, and deservedly so, but the NBA has to do something about these officials. The NBA has the worst officiating in professional sports, and it's just not acceptable anymore.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I felt like they were getting booed all game, and deservedly so, but the NBA has to do something about these officials. The NBA has the worst officiating in professional sports, and it's just not acceptable anymore.

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And while it seems like it has been really bad against our 'young team' this season, and it has, it's not just us. The other night against the Kings, 2 Hornets were all on top of a Kings head and back causing him to lose the ball out of bounds. It was my team and while I hate to say/see it, a foul should've been called on at least one of the Hornets that were on top of the guys head. No call was made though. I think they just went ahead and gave the Kings the ball back.

ETA: I just saw it was the beginning of the 4th quarter. Jason Thompson was getting ready to go up for a shot and both Smith and Aminu were both in the air to contest and landed all over Thompson. No call. The ball went out off of Thompson, but they said it went off the Hornets. The Kings got the ball back, Salmons hit a 3.

If the refs werent terrible gordon would have had 12 more points easily at the FT line, glad he was attacking.

I know that upgrading the SF position is the trending topic but after watching this game if you do not think that PG is the most important upgrade this off-season, I don't know what to tell you. Our PG takes too many shots, has no court vision, doesn't run the break well, and cannot defend anyone well. I think it was NOLASlim that said his stats are empty and that might be the best statement that I've read on here. His assists are all the obvious ones and he misses the assists that every good PG makes. Upgrade the PG position and it'll cover some of the defecencies the team has in other positions.

was anyone else impressed with Rivers' on ball defense last night?

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

was anyone else impressed with Rivers' on ball defense last night?

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Very. Rivers is my favorite hornet and I can relate to him alot. I thank fans should view Rivers as a baby and watch him grow overtime lol.

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

was anyone else impressed with Rivers' on ball defense last night?

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I said during the game he may be our best perimeter defender right now, of the guards anyway.

People wonder why our defense is so bad, it's because Vasquez couldn't stay in front of my grandma, Gordon hasn't played like the elite defender we thought we had (he's been bad as well), Aminu has all the tools but is prone to mistakes and his on ball defense is kind of overrated on the board, Davis also is prone to mistakes and while he too has all the tools his lack of strength is a big problem down low, Lopez is the only good defender we have.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I said during the game he may be our best perimeter defender right now, of the guards anyway.

People wonder why our defense is so bad, it's because Vasquez couldn't stay in front of my grandma, Gordon hasn't played like the elite defender we thought we had (he's been bad as well), Aminu has all the tools but is prone to mistakes and his on ball defense is kind of overrated on the board, Davis also is prone to mistakes and while he too has all the tools his lack of strength is a big problem down low, Lopez is the only good defender we have.

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http://basketball.themarsreel.com/co.../grandmama.jpg

You're Grandma?

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I felt like they were getting booed all game, and deservedly so, but the NBA has to do something about these officials. The NBA has the worst officiating in professional sports, and it's just not acceptable anymore.

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Have you ever watched soccer? lol but NBA is a close second

Check this out. Not pertaining to this game but does anyone know how bad Portland's commentators are? NBA.com's John Schuhmann has an article called Air Check:Showing Their True Colors. I've always known that Portland, Boston, and San Antonio have some of the worst, most biased commentators but take a listen to this...

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nb...grant-foul.nba

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There are a lot of times when broadcasters need to hold their tongues until they see a replay before questioning an official’s call. Let’s just say that Mike Barrett and Mike Rice don’t do that very often.

On this play, Barrett (play-by-play) first questions the idea of Nicolas Batum‘s foul being a flagrant. Rice takes over from there, seems to ignore an obvious blow to the face of Anthony Davis, makes a silly remark about the official not wanting him to eat dinner on time, and then takes a grade-school-level shot at Davis’ eyebrow(s). Oh yeah, like Hastings in the clip above, he infers that a previous call should somehow influence this one.

One more thing: Broadcasters should know that referees will err on the side of caution when initially determining whether a foul was a flagrant or a common foul, because one can be reviewed and the other can’t. If the refs initially call a flagrant, they can review the play and change it to a common foul. If they don’t call a flagrant initially, they can’t review it or change it. So if there’s any doubt, the best thing to do is call a flagrant foul and check the replay.

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http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...?ls=nbahpfull2

I can only wonder what they were saying when Portland was getting blown out in NOLA right before the All-Star break.

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

Have you ever watched soccer? lol but NBA is a close second

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I would put the nba and nfl both ahead of any league of soccer, I don't watch the mls but bad and inconsistent officiating in those two leagues impacts the game much more than in any soccer league I watch (EPL, Bundesliga, La Liga, and Serie A)

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Gordon should have lived at the FT line tonight, but refs were poo.

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Haha, I just came on the thread and was gonna post about the seemingly poor officiating last night. Obviously wasn't seemingly. I was at the game so just wanted to make sure I was seeing it right.

Gordon really doesn't get any calls at all. He misses alot of those floaters, but I saw a couple times when he got bumped from behind on them and no call.

The officiating really was laughable last night.