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Pelicans 99.9% chance they pick 14th. Then probably 45th.
Not gonna create a new thread for this, but nice to see Herb getting respect from his peers. Especially someone the caliber Paul George.
JJJ won DPOY btw.
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Well actuallllyyy it's 97% not 99% lol
lol it's 97.59%.
How many times have the 14th odds moved into the top 4? Precisely.
99.9999999% chance the Pels stay right there at 14 barring a trade.
The draft is somewhat deep so there are options at 14. Nick Smith Jr, possibly Keyonte George, Jordan Hawkins, Dariq Whitehead, Tracey Jackson-Davis.
Trying to find out if 14 has ever moved up. It has not won the lottery.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/lottery_winners
14th spot is due!!!
Love to beat the odds, but there are a clutch of good shooting prospects set to go around where we pick that could really help our bench scoring problem: Hawkins; Howard; Murray; Sensabaugh; Dick... any one of them could have an instant role off the bench giving our second unit some more punch.
I think the Pels have to take a serious look at turning over the bottom of the roster and converting those roster slots into shooting and rim protection, even if means giving up a "veteran leader" like Temple, a former lottery pick like Hayes (who I guess they've concluded can't be rim protecting big), a glue bench guy like Hernangomez, and maybe even someone like Naji Marshall, a tough, versatile wing defender. Pels can't go into another season without more shooters. They just can't. Getting outscored from the arc by 15, 20, 25 points regularly is a recipe for defeat, even with Zion.
The "X" factor this off season is Jonas. Moving off him would be bold, but if you have a vision of playing smaller and faster, then you have to sell out for that vision.
A guy in this draft I love as a potential small-ball center is Trayce Jackson-Davis from Indiana. Picking him at 14 is probably too early as he's projected to go closer to the end of the first, but if the Pels do decide to move to a more athletic big, I hope they find a way to grab Jackson-Davis. Not a 3 point shooter, but a very skilled passer/connector with a 7'+ wingspan, big ups and a variety of post moves. He's kind of Sabonis-like.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TimBontem...18380404695048
The Lakers' picks lost large value due to the New CBA. If this rule goes into full effect as soon as the new CBA start there's no incentive to postpone to 2025 and the additional pick will be in 24 in a draft already branded as weak.
I hope so but it would mean they made rule that won't be enforced in the CBA since it was agreed on 7 years (two years over the apron plus 7 years to have the first effect so 2 years after it expires). Again maybe I'm just paranoid but something feels off about it
I like a couple of those names and Trayce Jackson-Davis myself. But it might be at the point this team needs to look at selling a few assets to go get a young player like Keyonte George or even one of the Thompson twins.
When the top of your roster is so injury prone, the luxury of adding role players kinda takes a back seat. Unfortunately.
Meh. I just can’t get enthused about Keyonte George. Call it Austin Rivers syndrome. These small guard gunners with a perpetual green light in college and a propensity for hero ball are not what I want to add. We’ve got enough Iso Joes as it is. Give me a longer pure shooter who knows how to move off the ball, use a screen properly and has a quick trigger. Let the ball do the work for a change.
I think good role players actually are what we need. We have to build a roster that can play .500 ball without Zion. I don’t think we do that by trying to bootstrap up another super star out of some kid. I think you do it like Memphis does it without Ja, with a deep team of guys who know how to play together. And can shoot. And protect the rim.
I was quite high on Noah Clowney because I felt his measurements would be around 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan and he was pretty much everything I wanted for the center position (shot blocking, nimble feet and shooting upside) but since he signed with Klutch he became a huge "meh" for me. Nick Smith JR also became a huge No with the Klutch signing.
Now I will narrow down to shooters with defensive fundamentals such as Dick, Hawkins and Howard. Sensabaugh could be nice too but his defense limit his upside.
Hawkins,dick,howard, or Kris Murray who is a clone of Keegan who went #4 last year and is a better spot up shooter and age 22 so ready to play. complete 6'8" player who shoots, boards, and defends
There's also never a time to use the #14 pick to try and address current needs and quick fixes. That's what trades and FA is for. And maybe late 1st/2nd round.
The #14 pick is still very much BPA territory.
Right but too often BPA is used to justify "high risk high reward" picks instead of the real BPA.
One sure thing, in the current state of the League you never have enough shooting so you can't go wrong with guys like Dick, Howard or Hawkins. They all are already good college players and have the upside to be flamethrowers in the next level. If they can contribute for the team on day 1 it's just bonus at this point.
"High risk high reward" is reserved for raw/project type players like James Nnaji. Or even Jaxson Hayes when the pels took him to an extent.
George otoh, has a very advanced 3-level + defense skill set. His issues are purely above the shoulders, which is not a huge red flag as the #1 option at age 19. Plus he's been shown to be a very willing passer, so it's not selfishness.
That said after George, my next favorite picks would include Jordan Hawkins. He's above Dick and far above Howard. Which definitely means neither George nor Hawkins will be there at 14.
With our luck you're probably right. I'm not necessarily opposed to the BPA philosophy and if a player like Anthony Black or Cason Wallace drops to us, the Pels will have to think long and hard. But if you are looking at a group of scorers taking the 19-year-old gunner who never saw a shot he didn't like and thinks he's going to be the next Kobe is not my preference. It's hard to get the knucklehead out of those guys and the chance that he turns out to be as good as he thinks he is is marginal. In the meantime you've got to put up with several seasons of stupid shots and dumb iso basketball while they figure things out, if they ever do. I'm out of patience. Give me a polished shooter or at least a scorer with more of track record or different profile and some length. And, honestly, for all anyone knows that guy may turn out to be the BPA anyway...
The bold tells me you've gone and watched a few highlight videos and maybe listened to somebody else's commentary.
Because it's way too far over the top. Scott Drew's system doesn't allow any player to be that selfish. That's not how he plays.
Among their main guys, which Baylor had 4 of them (w/Flagler, Cryer, and Bridges), he was tops in free throw rate (and made 79% of them) and 3rd in assist rate. So it's not like he was out there chuckin and duckin all game.
Just need to go watch a few Baylor games to see that.
"High risk high reward" are players with high ceiling and low floor. Worst case George is a chucker and a ball stopper while being a minus on defense, that's a pretty low floor to me.
I don't see him as a superior player compared to Dick or Hawkins, both have demonstrated ability to perform in winning basketball that George haven't, so to me selecting him would be choosing upside instead of actual skills.
Oh for sure, I'm not pretending to be some kind of scout. I only saw Baylor's two games in the tourney and earlier against Texas where George got hurt. He did not look good in any of those games and his season stats don't look very good.
The draft cut ups show a kid who takes a lot of bad shots (and to be fair makes some of them) and the overall impression is of a talented player who plays like a shot-happy 19-year-old and his shooting stats seem to back up that impression. I don't want any more projects. We've got ball-dominant stars and young players to develop. At this point I'm happy to take a good role player, maybe with an elite skill, at the end of the lottery rather than dreaming on upside again. If we take him and I'm wrong, nobody will be happier than I will be. But for purposes of discussing who I'd take, at this point I'd rather have several guys ahead of Keyonte...
Alright. I'm not going to go in circles addressing the same points with the same stats.
As far as winning, both Baylor and Kansas lost in the 2nd round of the tourney. Kansas as a #1 seed and Baylor as a #3 seed. :huh:
They split their season series during the year. Dick and George having their best games on the road. George especially....even drawing a 4 pt play on Dick.
So how do you explain his lack of playing time during the tourney ? Usually top prospect get way more run than 25mpg. Is it only bad coaching ? Because Scott Drew is never afraid to play trigger happy player (remember Pierre Jackson?) so there must be something here.
Regarding stats did you check win shares ?
He averaged 28 mins during the entire season and played 25 mins in both tourney games. Wtf are you talking about ""lack of playing time"? Baylor had two upper classman guards that got the bulk of minutes on that team. Maybe you should go watch.
There was a game Baylor lost to TCU earlier in the year on a final possession. I watched it.
George led the team with 27 pts on 46/57/92 shooting splits. Guess how many minutes he got that game? 26. Cryer and Flagler played 34 and 31 minutes and had a combined 7/23 shooting night. George had more free throw attempts than both of them combined.
So with that in mind, do you know how win shares work?
If you just don't like the guy then leave it at that. Your arguments just keep getting more and more petty.
From Givony scouting report about George on March 20:
His effectiveness and efficiency really ebbed and flowed over the last two months and his questionable shot selection and defensive lapses caused him to spend more time on the bench than you would expect this last weekend.
So I guess it's not only me. Again I'm not saying George is a bad prospect just that I don't see him as far better than the other late lottery prospects.
Might as well throw in my 2 cents while we're talking about Keyonte George:
I have him about 16th on my personal 'big board'.
Strengths I see:
- Pretty crafty in the pick and roll, is fairly willing as a passer
- Plays with a lot of poise and doesn't look like a reactionary player
- Reasonable defender at the guard positions
- Physically strong and good at creating advantages on ball
- Projects as a good pull-up shooter given his form, reasonably solid process, and decent FT%
- Fundamentally sound for the most part
Weaknesses I see:
- Not really explosive at all, can be generally categorised as floor-bound
- As a result of the former, he's not an above-the-rim finisher at all which can make it difficult at the NBA level for smaller guys
- Shot hasn't really fallen thus far, even though the process is good
- No real projections for defensive versatility given his size
- Isn't a real creator for others: is solid, especially for that undersized 2 role, but he's not really a lead guard
I like him as a roleplayer but I don't see a clear pathway to stardom for him, so even though I don't hate him at all (16th is pretty good!) he wouldn't be my first choice at #14.
I cant be the only one who sees cj mccolum when watching George
He moves his feet, plays through his chest and cuts off driving lanes and draws charges as an on-ball defender. CJ does not. CJ is a better off-ball defender.
They both finish through contact at the rim, but I'm pretty sure Keyonte will measure out longer and bigger than CJ at age 19.
He makes difficult reads and passes now sometimes to a fault, whereas simple pocket passes can be a journey with CJ.
Other than ALL of that, I guess they're twins.
Haha lakers out in 4
Buh bye
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ment-offseason
Quote:
Following the news conference, ESPN asked James to elaborate on his statement.
When you say you got to think about stuff, what thread should we be pulling on that?
"If I want to continue to play," James said.
As in next year?
"Yeah."
You would walk away?
"I got to think about it."
He just wants the attention by keeping people "in suspense". He'll be back.