SICK OF WATCHING RIVERS

I think Rivers is a slasher who can also pass. I don't think he will be effective against teams with good interior defense for the most part. Seems we should always say he sucks because he will probably play better and better.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Okay I see what you're saying. Sorry, I was being irrational. But the last 1/3rd of last season Rivers played well enough for a 21 year old to earn his option imo. You can't keep looking back at his rookie season when considering his future. If GMs stayed in the past no way do Ariza get his contract this summer.

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Ariza played the entire last year of his deal lights out, probably one of the best seasons of his career, Austin had a good what last month or 2 months of the season? Before that it looked like the same guy from his rookie year. The declined option isn't saying we don't want him here anymore. It's saying prove to us you are worth it and we will reward you with a deal. That's all, it's the same thing the Saints are doing with Mark Ingram and I like that approach.

Truth to tell ingram's last year was about 5 millions and nearly no rb is worth that kind of money, certainly not him, the way the rb market has been recently.

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

Truth to tell ingram's last year was about 5 millions and nearly no rb is worth that kind of money, certainly not him, the way the rb market has been recently.

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I bet Jerry Jones agrees but he's probably going to have to end up paying at least that :hihi:

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Ariza played the entire last year of his deal lights out, probably one of the best seasons of his career, Austin had a good what last month or 2 months of the season? Before that it looked like the same guy from his rookie year. The declined option isn't saying we don't want him here anymore. It's saying prove to us you are worth it and we will reward you with a deal. That's all, it's the same thing the Saints are doing with Mark Ingram and I like that approach.

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But what if he outplay what we're allowed to pay. Then we're out of luck. That's why I didn't't see the point of declining the option, iy served no purpose.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

But what if he outplay what we're allowed to pay. Then we're out of luck. That's why I didn't't see the point of declining the option, iy served no purpose.

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Out of luck? No, then we are out of a backup PG or 7th man on our roster that we can replace.

Hard to see him getting more than 3 mil next year unless he convinces someone he is a sure fire starting guard. Backup guards don't have a huge market. I mean, we make fun of Brian Roberts but he had a nice year last year and only got 2.5 mil per.

The bigger worry is that he gets a multi-year offer and we have to give him the same. The thing I liked about picking up the option is that you basically had him on a year-to-year contract that you could control and if he didn't play well, you could just not give him a QO prior to the 2016 FA period, when we will actually hit free agency hard.

But such is life. I wrote a piece for Dell to read laying all this out and he made a different decision. Such is life. I still don't think this will be a major factor one way or the other

I don't remember what Rivers contract was for next season, but lets say 3.1M.
If another team offers him 3.1each year for 3 year, are you saying the Pels can still match or does
it come down to who Austin chooses between the two teams even if they are both the same money?

This thread seems odd. Rivers is clearly outplaying our 1 and only max player.......

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

I don't remember what Rivers contract was for next season, but lets say 3.1M.
If another team offers him 3.1each year for 3 year, are you saying the Pels can still match or does
it come down to who Austin chooses between the two teams even if they are both the same money?

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The way I understand it is whatever potential deal we offer Rivers, the 1st year of that deal CANNOT be HIGHER than the amount of the option we just declined. We can make up for it and make his salary higher in additional years but that 1st year cannot be higher. So in your example we couldn't offer Rivers a contract where the 1st year was more than 3.1mil.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

The way I understand it is whatever potential deal we offer Rivers, the 1st year of that deal CANNOT be HIGHER than the amount of the option we just declined. We can make up for it and make his salary higher in additional years but that 1st year cannot be higher. So in your example we couldn't offer Rivers a contract where the 1st year was more than 3.1mil.

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Correct

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

The way I understand it is whatever potential deal we offer Rivers, the 1st year of that deal CANNOT be HIGHER than the amount of the option we just declined. We can make up for it and make his salary higher in additional years but that 1st year cannot be higher. So in your example we couldn't offer Rivers a contract where the 1st year was more than 3.1mil.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Correct

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Thanks.
But again if both salaries are the same from the two teams do Pels win out
or does Rivers get to choose where he wants to play?

Let's say where he will get more opportunities.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Hard to see him getting more than 3 mil next year unless he convinces someone he is a sure fire starting guard. Backup guards don't have a huge market. I mean, we make fun of Brian Roberts but he had a nice year last year and only got 2.5 mil per.

The bigger worry is that he gets a multi-year offer and we have to give him the same. The thing I liked about picking up the option is that you basically had him on a year-to-year contract that you could control and if he didn't play well, you could just not give him a QO prior to the 2016 FA period, when we will actually hit free agency hard.

But such is life. I wrote a piece for Dell to read laying all this out and he made a different decision. Such is life. I still don't think this will be a major factor one way or the other

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2016 you say?

I wonder which FA we could be targeting.......



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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Thanks.
But again if both salaries are the same from the two teams do Pels win out
or does Rivers get to choose where he wants to play?

Let's say where he will get more opportunities.

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Since we declined his option he is an unrestricted free agent, he can chose to sign with whoever he wants. He could even take less money to play somewhere else if he wanted to.

Overreacting to how a player plays for a few games can cause bad contracts to come about. Let's see how he does consistently.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

The way I understand it is whatever potential deal we offer Rivers, the 1st year of that deal CANNOT be HIGHER than the amount of the option we just declined. We can make up for it and make his salary higher in additional years but that 1st year cannot be higher. So in your example we couldn't offer Rivers a contract where the 1st year was more than 3.1mil.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Correct

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Since we declined his option he is an unrestricted free agent, he can chose to sign with whoever he wants. He could even take less money to play somewhere else if he wanted to.

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Ta.
It's what I thought.

I totally dig our GM.

But Rivers was the beginning of a series of decisions that I don't agree with. I wish we would have been content with growing a little slower instead of speeding it up and possibly lowering our ceiling

We were like ,yay! we got AD, let's blow our 10th pick" instead of going for either:


either
Tony Wroten
Terrance Jones
Draymond Green
Kris Middleton
or many more (henson)

2013: keep nerlens noel or draft MCW Micheal Carter Williams or even giannis

2014: Elfrid Payton

If we trade nothing since the AD pick, these teams would be on rookie contracts


Henson
Davis
McDermott
MCW

Henson
Davis
Giannis
Elfird

Noel
Davis
Terrance Jones
Elfrid

ect

There are no winners in the game of "What if..."

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

There are no winners in the game of "What if..."

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you are exactly right, but that doesn't seem to keep anyone from playing....

What if the Pacers didn't take George and the Pistons didn't take Drummond?!?! What if Kobe was never traded from the Hornets? What if Shaq started playing again? What if LBJ decided to leave Cleveland again? What if Durant can't stand AD's unibrow?

Let's play the reality game. It's far more constructive.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

If you are offended by Avery Bradley as Rivers ceiling, then I have a feeling you will be very disappointed by how his career plays out. Not everyone can be great. Being one of the top 100 players in the world (which Bradley is) is an amazing accomplishment. Does Rivers handle better? Sure. Bradley has other skill sets than Rivers won't touch. But role wise - great defensive guard who can knock down shots and score in bunches from time to time, I think that is his ceiling, and that is a compliment in my eyes.

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Not offended at all. Just ridiculous to say his ceiling is Avery Bradley. That is basically saying he will not improve anymore than what he is not or what he has already done. Rivers right now and end of last season is playing at a higher level than maybe Bradley ever will. I think Beadley can improve also but do not believe he possesses near the skills of Rivers. I could go on and on with players who weren't the same caliber as Rivers and had terrible or mediocre seasons for the first few years to become stars, 6th men of the year, or very good starters. Ryan Anderson is one for example on our own team! What would you have said his ceiling was before he had time to develop and break out? Luke Bobbit? I mean come on that is a joke ceiling.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Hard to see him getting more than 3 mil next year unless he convinces someone he is a sure fire starting guard. Backup guards don't have a huge market. I mean, we make fun of Brian Roberts but he had a nice year last year and only got 2.5 mil per.

The bigger worry is that he gets a multi-year offer and we have to give him the same. The thing I liked about picking up the option is that you basically had him on a year-to-year contract that you could control and if he didn't play well, you could just not give him a QO prior to the 2016 FA period, when we will actually hit free agency hard.

But such is life. I wrote a piece for Dell to read laying all this out and he made a different decision. Such is life. I still don't think this will be a major factor one way or the other

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Brian Roberts did not just go get a new license so he can show he is legal to drink. Come on no comparison with salary. Rivers potential will get a deal way more than what Roberts who had 90% of us pulling our hair out praying for an under developed Rivers to get on the floor. 29 other teams out there and if he has even a decent year from what he is doing now someone will snatch him up. Just made no sense not to keep control of him for that price. If anything we could dump him in a trade.

Bradley is barely better than Rivers now? Rivers was better than Bradley at the end of last year?

Okay, I see the confusion - you don't know who Avery Bradley is. He is one of the top 3 defensive guards in the league who is putting up a measly 17.3 pts per game on .475% this season, including 40% from three where he takes 5 attempts per game.

That is a Jrue Holiday level type of player, let alone Austin Rivers. If I said Rivers ceiling was Holiday, would it be an insult? Bradley is really, really, really good.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Brian Roberts did not just go get a new license so he can show he is legal to drink. Come on no comparison with salary. Rivers potential will get a deal way more than what Roberts who had 90% of us pulling our hair out praying for an under developed Rivers to get on the floor. 29 other teams out there and if he has even a decent year from what he is doing now someone will snatch him up. Just made no sense not to keep control of him for that price. If anything we could dump him in a trade.

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There was one guy who wrote an article begging Dell to pick up the option - so you are preaching to the choir.

http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...rivers-option/

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Bradley is barely better than Rivers now? Rivers was better than Bradley at the end of last year?

Okay, I see the confusion - you don't know who Avery Bradley is. He is one of the top 3 defensive guards in the league who is putting up a measly 17.3 pts per game on .475% this season, including 40% from three where he takes 5 attempts per game.

That is a Jrue Holiday level type of player, let alone Austin Rivers. If I said Rivers ceiling was Holiday, would it be an insult? Bradley is really, really, really good.

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Jesus Christ if Rivers gave us that type of production I literally wouldn't care what Gordon was doing, at all. 40% from 3 on 5 attempts a game would be sick and just what we need. Not even mentioning 47% from the field and defense.