Ingram does get criticism. From all of us. You on the other hand seemed lasered in on him. And I'm not the only one on this board that notices.
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I'm focused on him because he's the ''virtually untouchable'' max contract player who it would be ''ridiculous'' to ''even entertain the idea'' of trading. Sorry but when you're supposed to be the number 1 option and the leader of the team and one of the best wings in the league, as I've been told a thousand times he is, I expect better.
Ingram isn't an issue. He is what he is. Very solid. A B to B+ player in most facets.
I will add to this..
Regardless what coaching we have... It's all talent and execution league. Vogel is an NBA championship coach. The misconception that most NBA coaches aren't here to teach and develop players. They run a scheme and players have to execute. Players aren't excuting.
He's not the biggest issue, that's for sure. Here's a B tier player, which is good. Stuff he needs to improve, unquestionably, but he's not flat dreadful.
If I was asked to pick ''the'' problem (which is obviously difficult because we have many) I would say point-of-attack defense.
Yea, like we know Ingram has warts. He's 23 and still developing. When he does something stupid 99% of us on this board comment on it.
His offenses are easily correctable with a competent coach. Some of those offenses wouldn't even occur with a coach that had an offensive system installed. Players are out there freelancing in the 4th. That's okay if you're Lebron, CP3, or some other elite facilitator. Doesn't work with young developing teams. Which is why 75% of the blame is on coaching.
The one common problem for all the coaches that Shamit is mentioning is they were terrible and are terrible at rotations. They let players sit too long and let ppl play that don’t belong on the court. Rotations are part of coaching. Don’t put players on the court that’s not getting the job done.
You do realise, analytics guy, that when Ingram fills out a little more he's going to be amazing. I genuinely see his only problem being bumped off his drives. Once that's solved with weight added he's amazing.
Ingram is untouchable, Zion/BI locked up for a few years is too good to mess with, gotta fix the problems around it.
For all the nit picking and soap boxing you do you can't tell me you don't feel comfortable with 95% if the ********s Brandon takes. He's money from almost anywhere, that's not easy to find in this league.
The issue is the team is top heavy talent-wise and our bench has massive deficiencies. I'm sure defensive philosophy on guarding pick and roll could be better or better personnel bought in to fix that, but BI isn't the problem and is still going to get better by virtue of age and weight.
Nope.. it's not. Which is why I'm not saying it's entirely the coaches fault for how this team is performing. Not sure how I communicated that it was, or why what I'm saying is so difficult to understand.
Does this squad look well prepared to you? Do the defensive schemes look good to you? Would everything be perfect if this was the case? No, but we'd see a better product on the floor.
Absolutely agree, and just to be clear (again), I'm not saying the coaches don't deserve at least some of the blame.
Everyone knows Walton isn't a good coach: he was bad in LA and in Sacramento.
Gentry, for all of his offensive strengths, couldn't string together a consistent NBA defense despite starting Jrue Holiday and Anthony Davis, and ran some of the most absurd lineups of all time.
Stan Van runs weird rotations where Zion's on the bench at precisely the moments he shouldn't be and seems allergic to playing Kira alongside Lonzo (until tonight).
The coaches definitely have issues.
It's just the people love the use the coach as a dumping ground for even more than their fair share of the blame. Not going to speculate as to why, but it happens.
Take our guard defense for example. It's not like we haven't made adjustments this year. We've tried trapping, we've tried drop coverage, we've tried hard hedging, it doesn't seem to matter what we do, guards just murder us. What's the common denominator? It's whoever our guards are on that tends to kill us most often. The coaching has changed, the scheme has been different at different times in different games. The common aspect is the players. And they've stunk.
Perhaps I was too hard on this board. Fan reactionary stupidity seems to be universal.
Same Celtics fan board.
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I love Tatum I think he has the ability to become an MVP candidate, but his playing style seems like he keeps reverting to an iso style that’s not conducive to ball movement, player touches and winning.
I’m just curious how many players would you be willing to move Tatum for? For me there is only two guys; Luka and Giannis. Others may be more talented at the moment but are either too old, comes with baggage or have major injury issues.
Doncic and Brown would be my dream duo, Brown would cover Luka’s defensive weakness. Brown has the rare level humility for his talent and would happily allow Doncic to run the show if that lead to wins.
Who would you be willing to make a Tatum trade for?
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I would Tatum for Zion or Jokic
Sorry yall. Seems it's par for the course. Perhaps MM's "elite" board is a good place after all. I give up.
Pull your expectations down a few notches and relax for a bit. We have a window of time to get things right before we start actually feeling any urgency. Of course, that's me saying that. I'm chillin' at home. I'm not Gayle Benson or Griffin or whomever trying to have this franchise eat it's cake and still still have it.
Pick a direction and commit. Because we are out there like we want to make the playoffs...but we're executing and got players fit to finish in the upper half of the lottery. And I think that's where the disconnect and despair is setting in for people.
My one concern is we start selling assets early to try and force a playoff run and fall short and not even be able to reap the benefits of having lots of draft assets anymore. And then we max contract Lonzo Ball and I walk up a clocktower with a conspicuous briefcase...
Okay.
I just genuinely wonder cause I feel like I've been hearing ''just you wait, he's going to put that weight on'' for about 6 years now and it just hasn't happened. Some guys just don't put weight on, really. Lifelong twigmen exist, and so far to me it seems like that's Ingram. Not his fault or anything like that, just seems to be the way he's built from what I can tell.
The issue with this team is all between the head.
For me, the reason I get annoyed is that personally, what I think we should be doing is playing the young guys together as much as possible and trading certain players (Lonzo, Bledsoe, Redick) for either young guys who project as fits alongside Zion going forward, or more assets if we can get them. Then we just play the young guys and have fun with it and if we lose we lose but at least there's a clear direction from the team: lottery bound, sure, but getting lots of run to Kira and Jax and Zion and so on, building chemistry and experience.
The issue is that we're getting smoked regularly while still playing ''the vets'' like Redick and Hernangomez and such.
Meanwhile, if our actual plan is for the playoffs, then Stan needs to sort these rotations out and the team needs to get their act together drastically quick.
Right now we just don't have a clear direction as a team and that's what's frustrating.
Yeah he's put on some weight, but are you really going to tell me that he's ''filled out''?
Like, I understand that you think I'm biased when it comes to Ingram, you've said it about 40 times now, but am I really going to have to debate the fact that he's thin now? Jesus effin Christ