Truncated Offseason Thread

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah I saw that, however consensus is that they're just covering for tampering accusation purposes. Seems plausible to me: it does seem somewhat coincidental that everyone realised how dodgy it was that the trade was announced before they were technically allowed to announce it and then suddenly news comes out that there was a miscommunication and it needs to be re-discussed.

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What about Schroeder to Lakers? That was announced way before this trade

This whole 'tampering' charade is bull********

Just because a trade is organised before an arbitrary date doesn't mean anything was tampered with

The whole rule is unenforceable, archaic and needs to be done away with

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Originally Posted by AusPel

What about Schroeder to Lakers? That was announced way before this trade

This whole 'tampering' charade is bull********

Just because a trade is organised before an arbitrary date doesn't mean anything was tampered with

The whole rule is unenforceable, archaic and needs to be done away with

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Schroeder was under contract. Wasnt tampering. Milwaukee talking to BB prior to his free agency (which would have to happen to make parameters of a S&T) would be tampering

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Schroeder was under contract. Wasnt tampering. Milwaukee talking to BB prior to his free agency (which would have to happen to make parameters of a S&T) would be tampering

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Fair enough. I still don't like the tampering rule. What's the issue with letting all teams talk to other teams at all times about trades/free agency?

Every team has the same agency, no one is being favoured over another. There's no bias. I don't see the problem

Limiting correspondence to after an arbitrary date just seems nuts to me

The Thunder are in talks with the Timberwolves in a deal for the No. 17 pick, according to league sources.

— Jeremy Woo (@JeremyWoo) November 19, 2020

Have heard rumbles that OKC is interested in Poku. Could this be related?

Exchanged texts with Mychal Thompson. He did not shed any light on Klay's status but the tone of his reply was quite sober for Mychal.

— Monte Poole (@MontePooleNBCS) November 19, 2020

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Exchanged texts with Mychal Thompson. He did not shed any light on Klay's status but the tone of his reply was quite sober for Mychal.

— Monte Poole (@MontePooleNBCS) November 19, 2020

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Kinda sounds serious

Per source, the pick the #Pistons are sending to Houston is HEAVILY protected. It's top-16 protected for the next four years, top-10 protected the following two years and then top-9 protected. After that, it becomes seconds.

— James Edwards III (@JLEdwardsIII) November 19, 2020

lmao what is Houston doing

That's the most powerfully protected pick I've ever seen

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Exchanged texts with Mychal Thompson. He did not shed any light on Klay's status but the tone of his reply was quite sober for Mychal.

— Monte Poole (@MontePooleNBCS) November 19, 2020

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"Lower leg"... not to be "that guy" but it sounds like an Achilles. I hope its not because I like Klay, but you don't get many lower leg non-contact injuries.

Damn that really sucks.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Per source, the pick the #Pistons are sending to Houston is HEAVILY protected. It's top-16 protected for the next four years, top-10 protected the following two years and then top-9 protected. After that, it becomes seconds.

— James Edwards III (@JLEdwardsIII) November 19, 2020

lmao what is Houston doing

That's the most powerfully protected pick I've ever seen

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ikr

An NBA source in the know about Klay Thompson’s injury simply answered to me: “Not good.”

— Marc J. Spears (@MarcJSpears) November 19, 2020

Sacramento Kings forward Bogdan Bogdanovic plans to enter restricted free agency on Friday at 6 PM ET, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 19, 2020

lmao Bucks

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Sacramento Kings forward Bogdan Bogdanovic plans to enter restricted free agency on Friday at 6 PM ET, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 19, 2020

lmao Bucks

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Lol wow....

Lol what a mess

Confirmed... See ya Giannis & Jrue!

Klay Thompson has torn his Achilles. ������

— Vasu Kulkarni (@Vasu) November 19, 2020

Just noting, I cannot vouch for this guy's credibility.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Klay Thompson has torn his Achilles. ������

— Vasu Kulkarni (@Vasu) November 19, 2020

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That was my guess.

This could actually affect what they do at 2 since they're in win now mode

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Klay Thompson has torn his Achilles. ������

— Vasu Kulkarni (@Vasu) November 19, 2020

Just noting, I cannot vouch for this guy's credibility.

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If this is true. What a mess. I was rooting for his come back and these injuries are always tough to see. I Hope for a smooth recovery.

Is the Bucks owner a Trump supporter?


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The pinnacle of Dwight Howard's success in the NBA occurred in Orlando under SVG (2007-2012) when he he was a five time All NBA first Team Selection (also played with JJ in Orlando). Just this past year with the Lakers, he averaged 7.3 boards while playing just 18.9 minutes per game and shot 70%.

As he is a free agent this year, I can't help but believe he might be an upgrade from DF and cheaper, too. Last year he played for $2.5MM. I know he won't stretch the floor (neither did DF), but I think he will be better on the glass than DF. I wonder if he might want to re-establish his ties in the short-term with SVG to close out his career and tutor JAX in the process.

Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

"Lower leg"... not to be "that guy" but it sounds like an Achilles. I hope its not because I like Klay, but you don't get many lower leg non-contact injuries.

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Just as I thought... Klay (confirmed) blew his Achilles. Sucks.

The Oklahoma City Thunder are in serious talks to move Kelly Oubre Jr. to the Golden State Warriors, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 19, 2020

Warriors absolutely do not care about the luxury tax lol

Celtics’ Gordon Hayward has opted out of his $34M deal for the 2020-21 season and will become a free agent, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 19, 2020

Celtics see Hayward walk for nothing. Either he re-negotiates a longer deal there or he seeks more cash elsewhere.

Knicks about to throw the bag at him

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Originally Posted by As I See It

The pinnacle of Dwight Howard's success in the NBA occurred in Orlando under SVG (2007-2012) when he he was a five time All NBA first Team Selection (also played with JJ in Orlando). Just this past year with the Lakers, he averaged 7.3 boards while playing just 18.9 minutes per game and shot 70%.

As he is a free agent this year, I can't help but believe he might be an upgrade from DF and cheaper, too. Last year he played for $2.5MM. I know he won't stretch the floor (neither did DF), but I think he will be better on the glass than DF. I wonder if he might want to re-establish his ties in the short-term with SVG to close out his career and tutor JAX in the process.

Just a thought.

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Yes!!! Bring Dwight in!!!

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Originally Posted by As I See It

The pinnacle of Dwight Howard's success in the NBA occurred in Orlando under SVG (2007-2012) when he he was a five time All NBA first Team Selection (also played with JJ in Orlando). Just this past year with the Lakers, he averaged 7.3 boards while playing just 18.9 minutes per game and shot 70%.

As he is a free agent this year, I can't help but believe he might be an upgrade from DF and cheaper, too. Last year he played for $2.5MM. I know he won't stretch the floor (neither did DF), but I think he will be better on the glass than DF. I wonder if he might want to re-establish his ties in the short-term with SVG to close out his career and tutor JAX in the process.

Just a thought.

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He said he was not playing for "free" any more. Not sure I want him in this locker room anyway. I think he is a better fit on a veteran team.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

The Oklahoma City Thunder are in serious talks to move Kelly Oubre Jr. to the Golden State Warriors, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 19, 2020

Warriors absolutely do not care about the luxury tax lol

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Presti is a genius. Will probably get another 1st rounder.

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Originally Posted by Butters

Yes!!! Bring Dwight in!!!

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Lakers are going to resign him, and he's going to stay there, would be my guess. He seems happy there, has a role where he's being used well, and he finally won a chip. We're not going to offer him a ton of money (and we shouldn't) and unless he gets a huge payday I feel like expecting him to walk is a bit of an assumption we can't make.

Why ''re-establish his ties in the short-term with SVG to close out his career'' when he could just, idk, win another chip to close out his career?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Presti is a genius. Will probably get another 1st rounder.

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Presti has done the first half of a rebuild spectacularly well: he has acquired a huge number of assets.

The question is whether he can do the second half properly, which is turning those assets into success on the court. He's drafted pretty poorly for years now, but we all know he has historical success there, so there's a coinflip as to that approach. Will he actually cash in the assets on trades for guys, or will he take the Danny Ainge approach of ''almost, but not quite'' for year after year? Will be interesting to see.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Celtics’ Gordon Hayward has opted out of his $34M deal for the 2020-21 season and will become a free agent, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 19, 2020

Celtics see Hayward walk for nothing. Either he re-negotiates a longer deal there or he seeks more cash elsewhere.

Knicks about to throw the bag at him

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Man... If we could get a time machine and get pre-injuried Hayward. I would definitely do it. Got great attitude and mentality. Perfect Stretch 3-4 for Zion. I think he's tired of being a back up SF, tho.

Now... He has started to get his leg underneath him, but I do remember thinking his defense has fallen off.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Man... If we could get a time machine and get pre-injuried Hayward. I would definitely do it. Got great attitude and mentality. Perfect Stretch 3-4 for Zion. I think he's tired of being a back up SF, tho.

Now... He has started to get his leg underneath him, but I do remember thinking his defense has fallen off.

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His defense was never great but it was okay. Now it's what I would call the definition of mediocre. He is not a huge negative on D, but nor is he an appreciable positive. Or at least, that was the case last year: maybe he's feeling more recovered next year, who knows?

Basically the same scouting report that made LaMelo the # 3 pick this year (and. yes, some thought he was the best player in this draft) made Lonzo the # 2 pick in 2017 (and. yes, some thought he was the best player in that draft). Yet, after playing for a couple of years in the LA Circus (one year with the "Travelin' Bro-Show") and one year fn the Gentry "System" (whatever that means), some are ready to cast Lonzo aside like he was the re-incarnation of Adam Morrison (look it up).

Lonzo is not as bad as some paint him out to be and he has been victimized, to some extent, by circumstance (yes, even LaVar). We should keep him for further evaluation, at least, until the mid-year trade deadline.

The Utah Jazz are trading Ed Davis and two 2023 second-round picks to the New York Knicks, sources tell @WindhorstESPN and me.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 19, 2020

Lol aaaaaaaand another PF for the Knicks.

But they don't have Taj Gibson or Bobby portis anymore so it's not overkill... But damn lol

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Presti has done the first half of a rebuild spectacularly well: he has acquired a huge number of assets.

The question is whether he can do the second half properly, which is turning those assets into success on the court. He's drafted pretty poorly for years now, but we all know he has historical success there, so there's a coinflip as to that approach. Will he actually cash in the assets on trades for guys, or will he take the Danny Ainge approach of ''almost, but not quite'' for year after year? Will be interesting to see.

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Kinda my same thought process. The team was damn sure close to being the surprise team in the playoffs. Now I understand the rebuild, but he's shifting the team wayyy too much for any continuity to grown within the players. So I'm assuming he's looking for the long term plan within the draft and free agency. Which might take 3 or 4 years before they're relevant again.

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Originally Posted by hornetzplaya

The Utah Jazz are trading Ed Davis and two 2023 second-round picks to the New York Knicks, sources tell @WindhorstESPN and me.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 19, 2020

Lol aaaaaaaand another PF for the Knicks.

But they don't have Taj Gibson or Bobby portis anymore so it's not overkill... But damn lol

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Give Knicks some credit. Davis is a centre

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Basically the same scouting report that made LaMelo the # 3 pick this year (and. yes, some thought he was the best player in this draft) made Lonzo the # 2 pick in 2017 (and. yes, some thought he was the best player in that draft). Yet, after playing for a couple of years in the LA Circus (one year with the "Travelin' Bro-Show") and one year fn the Gentry "System" (whatever that means), some are ready to cast Lonzo aside like he was the re-incarnation of Adam Morrison (look it up).

Lonzo is not as bad as some paint him out to be and he has been victimized, to some extent, by circumstance (yes, even LaVar). We should keep him for further evaluation, at least, until the mid-year trade deadline.

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i believe lonzo will ball hard this season.....lonzo can not let the lil brother come in and get all the shine....bragging rights are up for grabs at the family holidays...

What happens to the Cavs pick we owned this year from the Atl trade last draft?

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Originally Posted by bustah

What happens to the Cavs pick we owned this year from the Atl trade last draft?

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Got turned into 2 seconds, 2021 and 2022

I just can't see a player with so little touch around the rim, and so little skill to get there, suddenly get there.

And his mid range shot always looks like it's a new experience for him. Did Lavar play basketball or football?

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Originally Posted by luckyman

I just can't see a player with so little touch around the rim, and so little skill to get there, suddenly get there.

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You said it best brother.

Miracles do happen though

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Originally Posted by luckyman

I just can't see a player with so little touch around the rim, and so little skill to get there, suddenly get there.

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Completely agree.

Portland is acquiring Boston's Enes Kanter in a three-way deal with Memphis, sources tell ESPN. Memphis gets Mario Hezonjia and 30th pick (Desmond Bane) from draft night deal as part of trade too. Celtics get a future Memphis draft consideration.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 20, 2020

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Portland is acquiring Boston's Enes Kanter in a three-way deal with Memphis, sources tell ESPN. Memphis gets Mario Hezonjia and 30th pick (Desmond Bane) from draft night deal as part of trade too. Celtics get a future Memphis draft consideration.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 20, 2020

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Interesting trade. That means Boston is about to make a splash somewhere tonight. Probably for a Center. (Myles Turner)

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Originally Posted by hornetzplaya

Interesting trade. That means Boston is about to make a splash somewhere tonight. Probably for a Center. (Myles Turner)

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I think it probably means that they are going to spend their full nontax MLE. If they were looking to trade for someone, they would have kept Kanter and Poirer for salary matching.

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Originally Posted by hornetzplaya

Interesting trade. That means Boston is about to make a splash somewhere tonight. Probably for a Center. (Myles Turner)

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Not necessarily. Kanter was pretty much out of Boston's rotation anyway

They preferred guys like Timelord and Tako Tuesday Fall

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Not necessarily. Kanter was pretty much out of Boston's rotation anyway

They preferred guys like Timelord and Tako Tuesday Fall

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They played Tacko and Timelord a combined 421 minutes in the regular season. Kanter was out of Boston's rotation (mostly) because of Theis' 1600 minutes followed by about 1100 minutes from Grant Williams who spent a fair amount of time at small-ball 5.

Kanter is awful, honestly. I kind of feel for Portland, obviously Nurkic exists but otherwise hopping from Kanter to Whiteside to Kanter again is like getting punched in the mouth over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

They played Tacko and Timelord a combined 421 minutes in the regular season. Kanter was out of Boston's rotation (mostly) because of Theis' 1600 minutes followed by about 1100 minutes from Grant Williams who spent a fair amount of time at small-ball 5.

Kanter is awful, honestly. I kind of feel for Portland, obviously Nurkic exists but otherwise hopping from Kanter to Whiteside to Kanter again is like getting punched in the mouth over and over again.

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Fair enough. Williams was often the first guy off the bench in the playoffs

What's the bet that Ninja Turtle Rafael Stone comes sniffing around Ingram and our picks for Harden

Poku not being stashed, will play in the NBA this season

RIP

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Poku not being stashed, will play in the NBA this season

RIP

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I hope he likes eating 6 times a day and still get pushed around like a rage doll. Rough deal

Keep dreaming, peeps. SVG has been a vocal fan of Zo for quite some time now.

https://lonzowire.usatoday.com/2020/...ss-conference/

Even in his introductory press conference SVG specifically praised Zo with no prompting.