Deal Done

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Originally Posted by tacosman

this(if definitely true) is a good thing for sure. But I'm not holding my breath we will be better than them those last few years. But it certainly doesn't hurt to have it in there and is only a plus.

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If we're still a lottery team in 5 years then Griffin failed and we have bigger problems than the swap rights.

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Originally Posted by HoustonRox

I don’t understand why Griffin didn’t demand Kuzma too.

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We got three 1st round picks

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I'm not saying that the Lakers will definitely be crap. I'm saying that this idea that they CAN be crap and superstars just run there in free agency is an incorrect idea. Which it is. It's false.

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This is an odd hill you are choosing to die on. AD just went to LA in a trade that essentially worked like FA. He picked his team and bullied every other team out of trade talks. KD was rumored to be building a superteam in NY.

You would have to argue that NY and LAL are competently run and viable franchises so support your claim....

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

That's not what I said. Like. At all.

I said they don't draft their superstars. LeBron, Kobe, Shaq. They will flock there. Always. The LA market draws them. You can go back 30 years to that dynasty and find Magic Johnson whom they drafted.

They will fall into a hole, we will reap the benefits, eventually a new superteam will form there. Much like the superteam KD was supposedly forming prior to his injury.

They don't have to play the offseason game like we do. They can lay in their filth and eventually stars will migrate to them. And even if it is a trade.....ummm......did you not just watch this trade? AD picked his team like it was FA.

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And what I'm saying is that stars do NOT *migrate* to them.

They acquire stars in trades, which means giving up assets. Which is why the history of the Lakers franchise isn't one of constantly being good due to just attracting stars like magnets, but instead is the history of 5 year patches of competitiveness interspersed with 5 to 10 year stretches of abject misery, until they've acquired enough garbage assets to trade for a star, because they don't just get stars, they almost only ever trade for them.

I totally agree when you say ''they don't draft their superstars''. I'm just adding: they don't sign them either. They trade for them, in almost every case. Kareem, Gasol, AD, Dwight, all trades. They draft a superstar once every 20 years, it seems, and sign one at roughly the same rate.

I trust in them to be crap in 3 or 4 years because they have a history of being crap again every couple of years, cause free agents don't go there.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

This is an odd hill you are choosing to die on. AD just went to LA in a trade that essentially worked like FA. He picked his team and bullied every other team out of trade talks. KD was rumored to be building a superteam in NY.

You would have to argue that NY and LAL are competently run and viable franchises so support your claim....

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LAL was a competently run and viable franchise for decades and decades, not sure what your point is there.

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Originally Posted by HoustonRox

I don’t understand why Griffin didn’t demand Kuzma too.

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Maybe it was a ruse until he acquired enough 1st round draft picks to make the deal complete. Essentially he traded Kuzma back to the Lakers for 3-5 1st rounders (I can't figure out how many but it was a lot).

You know, one thing I hate about the NBA is that when trades happen they

A) Take 40 million years to actually happen

and

B) Never actually tell us what the trade IS until like, ten hours after they announced the trade has occurred.

Please just tell us what the trade is. Obviously you know, Griff and co. because you made the trade and agreed to it.

I hope both the other 1st round picks are unprotected especially the 2021 pick considering that could be the best draft class in years. Hopefully the 2023 draft is the first with straight from high school kids allowed to enter it again. That draft will be deep just due to the “double draft” effect. I saw it listed as 2021, then recently at 2022, but hopefully it ends up being 2023 since we should have 2 picks in that year. LeBron will be turning 38 in 2022, so that pick may have a shot to be damn good if he’s even on the team by then.

I didn’t think we had a shot at 3 first round picks, so I’m liking this trade more now. Griffin wanted an All Star, a potential All Star, & 2 first rounders. Well since we didn’t get the All Star, we got 3 picks instead.

Brandon Ingram will average 20 ppg IMO. I hope he and Zion already know each other since they went to Duke. I think Lonzo Ball has the chance to average a triple double due to his height from the point guard position and the players around him to get buckets. Right now we have an UCLA backcourt with 3 Dukies at the forward & center position with Okafor our best guy at the 5 for now.

I think we will without a doubt trade the 4th pick. We have already been talking to teams about it before the trade went down. We likely had already pretty much agreed to it days ago, but were trying to get a vet with that 4th pick. I hope we can get a good young center with it. There is really only 2 centers worth a max deal in Vucevic & Cousins in free agency. I’d love to bring back Cousins if the team thinks he would be a good fit, but he will likely go join two other max free agents. Vucevic will likely stay in Orlando unless they are gonna roll with Mo Bamba, but I doubt it.

If we can’t get a good young center in a trade hopefully we can trade back with Chicago or Atlanta. Atlanta would be my preferred spot since we would likely end up with 3 top 10 picks. Then hopefully we can land Jaxson Hayes, but I would love to see Reddish & Hachimura or that French cat Debouyoumba or whatever his name is picked there. But with Chicago we could likely get whoever the Cavs don’t take out of Hunter or Culver. I would take either of them and have a hard time picking the one I would want there. I heard on sports radio the other day that Coby White has a guarantee in the top 6. So that would be either the Cavs, Suns, or Lakers pre-trade. So unless Garland makes it to 7, Hunter or Culver should be there. I would take Garland as well cause he might just be the 4th best player in the draft. I think Cam Reddish is right up there with Hunter & Culver, so I would be fine with him at 7 much less 8.

Unless we are really high on either Hunter or Culver, we should definitely trade the pick. We need to make that pick into 2 players or one potential star already in the league. We turned the 2013 6th pick into a one time All Star, Jrue Holiday. So hopefully we can do it again in this draft with a top 5 pick.

Windhorst on the hoop collective said he's heard there's a deferment one of the picks.

I can confirm I have heard the same. And let me tell ya, it's one of the far out picks.

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 16, 2019

I have no idea what this means.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

And what I'm saying is that stars do NOT *migrate* to them.

They acquire stars in trades, which means giving up assets. Which is why the history of the Lakers franchise isn't one of constantly being good due to just attracting stars like magnets, but instead is the history of 5 year patches of competitiveness interspersed with 5 to 10 year stretches of abject misery, until they've acquired enough garbage assets to trade for a star, because they don't just get stars, they almost only ever trade for them.

I totally agree when you say ''they don't draft their superstars''. I'm just adding: they don't sign them either. They trade for them, in almost every case. Kareem, Gasol, AD, Dwight, all trades. They draft a superstar once every 20 years, it seems, and sign one at roughly the same rate.

I trust in them to be crap in 3 or 4 years because they have a history of being crap again every couple of years, cause free agents don't go there.

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Dude.

You totally talked about slapping me over a misunderstood semantic issue?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Windhorst on the hoop collective said he's heard there's a deferment one of the picks.

I can confirm I have heard the same. And let me tell ya, it's one of the far out picks.

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 16, 2019

I have no idea what this means.

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I literally just asked him what it means

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Are you arguing that the Knicks and Lakers don't have a built in attraction that draws in superstars that small market teams don't have?

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You would think that they do, but it doesn't seem to have materialised into anything, at least for a very long time.

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

I literally just asked him what it means

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It means if the Pels don't like where the that pick lands, they can choose to push it to the next year. Basically a re-roll.

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 16, 2019

So basically, just assuming a random year, if the Pels don't like the pick LA gets in 2025, they can just say ''nah, we'll take your 2026 instead''.

Holy hell.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

It means if the Pels don't like where the that pick lands, they can choose to push it to the next year. Basically a re-roll.

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 16, 2019

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Information specialists up in here.

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

Information specialists up in here.

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Desperately hunting to find out what the ACTUAL TRADE IS.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

This is an odd hill you are choosing to die on. AD just went to LA in a trade that essentially worked like FA. He picked his team and bullied every other team out of trade talks. KD was rumored to be building a superteam in NY.

You would have to argue that NY and LAL are competently run and viable franchises so support your claim....

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The Lakers literally gave up everything for AD. AD didn't bully anyone. The Lakers sold their entire future draft for the next 7 years to get him. That's not what bullying is. Lol

Reading back through less distracted, I think we have the exact same premise. Just a miscommunication over wording used. Back to agreeing on things.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

You know, one thing I hate about the NBA is that when trades happen they

A) Take 40 million years to actually happen

and

B) Never actually tell us what the trade IS until like, ten hours after they announced the trade has occurred.

Please just tell us what the trade is. Obviously you know, Griff and co. because you made the trade and agreed to it.

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Yes.

The WORST thing about this for my emotions is the unfinished feel. And I bet the next moves come along waaaaay later.

Whatever is best for the franchise. But bad for my nerves.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

It means if the Pels don't like where the that pick lands, they can choose to push it to the next year. Basically a re-roll.

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 16, 2019

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Hey that’s what I said!

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Dude.

You totally talked about slapping me over a misunderstood semantic issue?

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Not unless you were the person who started the rumour that stars all run to LA in free agency. Cause that's what I said. Whoever started that rumour.

https://twitter.com/BallThen/status/...834058241?s=09

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Originally Posted by Smow-

https://twitter.com/BallThen/status/...834058241?s=09

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Lol is MM waiting to tell us to build suspense?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Not unless you were the person who started the rumour that stars all run to LA in free agency. Cause that's what I said. Whoever started that rumour.

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That was the miscommunication, my man.

I said "flocking their like moths to a flame". You inserted FA. I never said the method of which they go there.

Just saw the news. My initial reaction was that I was never in love with the Celtics assets. I think they are good players, but not world changers. I always feared that Danny Ainge wouldn't do a deal for Tatum anyway if Kyrie was leaving. Having him gone may actually be addition by subtraction for the C's. Durant going down essentially took the Knicks out of the equation IMO. My question is could we have gotten more from the Lakers if we did the deal before the deadline?

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Originally Posted by Smow-

https://twitter.com/BallThen/status/...834058241?s=09

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Oh ********....wait until you guys hear this nugget.....

— Elite Bored (@BallThen) June 16, 2019

Let me just embed that for you

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Oh ********....wait until you guys hear this nugget.....

— Elite Bored (@BallThen) June 16, 2019

Let me just embed that for you

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What do you type to embed

Knowing this, Griffin has been insisting on him and talking him up from the beginning. Many around the league know Griff had no real interest in him but Griffin knew Jeanie wouldn't sign off on the trade with Kuzma in it. So.. he kept talking him up knowing that Pelinka would

— Elite Bored (@BallThen) June 16, 2019

MM hitting us with the HARD UPDATES



...Of negotiating tactics all of us pretty much realised several days ago when it leaked that Kuzma was the sticking point.

The Pelicans will get the following picks from the Lakers, league sources tell ESPN:

No. 4 pick in 2019
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in ‘22
Unprotected swap in ‘23
Unprotected first in ‘24
Unprotected swap in ‘25

Tremendous haul for David Griffin & the Pelicans.

— Tim Bontemps (@TimBontemps) June 16, 2019

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Originally Posted by Smow-

What do you type to embed

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You go on the tweet. In the upper right hand corner of a tweet, there's a little downward arrow. Click the arrow, it gives you a menu, one of the options is ''embed tweet''. Clicking that will give you a code.

Copy and paste the code into the post, it auto-embeds

The Pelicans will get the following picks from the Lakers, league sources tell ESPN:

No. 4 pick in 2019
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in ‘22
Unprotected swap in ‘23
Unprotected first in ‘24
Unprotected swap in ‘25

Tremendous haul for David Griffin & the Pelicans.

— Tim Bontemps (@TimBontemps) June 16, 2019

Oh this is nice.

No 2020, because in 2020 they'll be good. Then Lebron is old and there's a chance of AD leaving (it's already been leaked he won't sign an extension, he'll enter FA).

The only problem is this: why accept a protection in 2021?

This may be off, a vague memory. But I swear I heard Silver say 2021 was probably too soon for the HS ban to be lifted and it will probably be 2022 or later.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

The Pelicans will get the following picks from the Lakers, league sources tell ESPN:

No. 4 pick in 2019
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in ‘22
Unprotected swap in ‘23
Unprotected first in ‘24
Unprotected swap in ‘25

Tremendous haul for David Griffin & the Pelicans.

— Tim Bontemps (@TimBontemps) June 16, 2019

Oh this is nice.

No 2020, because in 2020 they'll be good. Then Lebron is old and there's a chance of AD leaving (it's already been leaked he won't sign an extension, he'll enter FA).

The only problem is this: why accept a protection in 2021?

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2022/23 are the most likely to be the double draft correct?

OH MY GOD!!!! IF this is true:

The Pelicans will get the following picks from the Lakers, league sources tell ESPN:

No. 4 pick in 2019
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in ‘22
Unprotected swap in ‘23
Unprotected first in ‘24
Unprotected swap in ‘25

Tremendous haul for David Griffin & the Pelicans.

— Tim Bontemps (@TimBontemps) June 16, 2019

pic.twitter.com/op6AXP49ly

— YANKEES + JETS + NETS (@YankeesJetsNets) June 16, 2019

We have the LA Lakers unprotected first round pick for the year Lebron James turns 40.

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Originally Posted by bahmamamba

can't wait till the 2 guys who know nothing tell us what we should know go ahead 13-3 and nmmvp you save ******** :D

Sent from my SM-S903VL using Tapatalk

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Do you enjoy typing my screen name? Say it out loud and see if it gives you as much joy as typing.

N-M-Three...M-V-P.

It....kind of.....did.....

That Stern GIF is classic

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Imagine... 3 years from now. We got like the 26th pick. We trade to the 30pick. Then, swap back into the lotto at the 6th pick.

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Haha yeah trade back to the 30th pick every year and then swap.

Evil genius

I imagine Pelinka telling Jeanie Buss, "The world could end. What do we care about 2023, 2024, or 2025..."

We are going to have the Lakers unprotected first round pick in the same year that

- Lebron turns 40
- AD turns 31
- Zion turns 24

Talk about adding a star to a star as LA starts crumbling.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

The Pelicans will get the following picks from the Lakers, league sources tell ESPN:

No. 4 pick in 2019
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in ‘22
Unprotected swap in ‘23
Unprotected first in ‘24
Unprotected swap in ‘25

Tremendous haul for David Griffin & the Pelicans.

— Tim Bontemps (@TimBontemps) June 16, 2019

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Boom goes the dynamite. This is an INSANE haul.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

It....kind of.....did.....

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:eek:

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

The Pelicans will get the following picks from the Lakers, league sources tell ESPN:

No. 4 pick in 2019
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in ‘22
Unprotected swap in ‘23
Unprotected first in ‘24
Unprotected swap in ‘25

Tremendous haul for David Griffin & the Pelicans.

— Tim Bontemps (@TimBontemps) June 16, 2019

Oh this is nice.

No 2020, because in 2020 they'll be good. Then Lebron is old and there's a chance of AD leaving (it's already been leaked he won't sign an extension, he'll enter FA).

The only problem is this: why accept a protection in 2021?

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Incase AD leaves after 2020 and the Lakers are garbage they get at least 1 top pick before Nola owns their foreseeable future.

I’m hearing something else is missing here. Possibly the “deferments” on picks we’ve heard about from @WindhorstESPN.

But sources tell me this isn’t the complete pick haul. https://t.co/uFGc5iAtxh

— Andrew Lopez (@_Andrew_Lopez) June 16, 2019

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHH

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Boom goes the dynamite. This is an INSANE haul.

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I agree. Much much better than Magic offered at the deadline! :cool:

LeBron: “Did we get AD?”
Pelinka: “Yes.”
Jeanie: “Did we keep Kuzma?”
Pelinka: “Yes.”
Both: “what did it cost us?”
Pelinka: pic.twitter.com/TY1DNiNl3Y

— Family Man. (@I_am_J9911) June 16, 2019

Yeah, AD/CluckSports said AD was going to test the FA market next year. So it turns out he is a one year rental for everyone. What a steal and more bad financial advice if true from that brain trust in LAX.

the pick swaps in the later years are nice, but the last few years aside this is the lakers we are talking about...….I'm not counting on them to bad.

As a general rule, this is a superstars league. The team that gets a 26 year old bone fide top 5 player superstar wins the trade. That's an nba rule. You trade for a healthy Anthony Davis. Every single time.

But given that he was disgruntled and we were going to lose him, there are good things about this trade. I wish it was the #2 pick and not the #4 pick. I wish I was more confident of teams giving us good stuff for at least one of Ingram or Ball. But right now I'm content.

sounds much better with the unprotected picks that's for sure - but the lakers always spend in FA and you'd think the odds are low for a super high pick on any given year. still - much better now.

and it's fun to route for the lakers to crash & burn.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I agree. Much much better than Magic offered at the deadline! :cool:

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