Should we keep Jrue on the team next season?

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

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I'm not saying, I'm just saying...

For a future 2nd round pick, I don't think you'll get any complaints from Boogie and the Brow if you brought in Brandon Knight.

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I would trade Asik for Knight. Less money owed for fewer years for Phoenix. Although I'd go after Bledsoe a lot harder.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I would trade Asik for Knight. Less money owed for fewer years for Phoenix. Although I'd go after Bledsoe a lot harder.

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I agree. My ideal (while semi-realistic) off-season move would be to trade for Bledose. Do that, then resign Jrue and we've got a damn good backcourt.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

For what, for who?

Brandon Knight isn’t the answer.

The FO love Jrue Holiday wrongly or rightly and they have no attachment to Brandon Knight in place of Jrue.

Trading Knight for Asik would have me interested though.

Len is FA next season which they won’t want to pay and Chandler is ageing and sometimes injured, so they need another C.
They save about 20M and less one year on their books with this trade.

This would be plan B if we can’t get a Lin or Bledsoe using our 2018 pick.

People assume we need a pass first PG next to true, but think about how well Jrue and Tyreke played together even though it was a small sample size.
Jrue just needs another combo guard who can handle the ball.
At the moment too many teams know that Jrue is the only guy in the finishing 5 that can handle the ball and he is usually double teamed.

Use the MLE to bring back Cunningham and sign Justin Holiday using the RE.

The team isn’t perfect but I think it’s a playoff team next season.

Knight/Frazier/Cook
Holiday/Moore/Crawford
Hill/Justin Holiday/Toupane/Q-Pon
Davis/Cunningham/Diallo
Cousins/Ajinca

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Originally Posted by Buckwheat

It's time for Jrue to follow Gentry out the front door of the Pelicans facility

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Are you and Champ the same person? Because yalls particular style of trolling is way too similar.

Jrue Holiday has always been a combo guard, that has played mostly at PG. He is at his best sharing the ball-handling and distributing duties.

I will repeat that statement over and over, until everyone gets it.

Jrue Holiday is at he best when he is watching the opposing guard light him up on the scoreboard.
Let's not even talk about his cold maple syrup first step off the dribble

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I would trade Asik for Knight. Less money owed for fewer years for Phoenix. Although I'd go after Bledsoe a lot harder.

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Why not both? Asik + Frazier + 2017 second rounder + 2018 first rounder FOR Bledsoe and Knight. Let Holiday walk, Cunningham opts out.

Excluding minimal guys like Jordan Crawford and Quinn Cook (what are those guys, less than $1m combined?), that puts us at an estimated $99,305,824 with 9 (11) players under contract (excluding Crawford, Cook, etc.) with their 2017-2018 salaries.


Anthony Davis $23,775,506
DeMarcus Cousins $16,784,031
Solomon Hill $12,236,535
E'Twaun Moore $8,445,024
Alexis Ajinca $5,186,798
Quincy Pondexter $3,853,931
Cheick Diallo $905,249
Eric Bledsoe $14,500,000
Brandon Knight $13,618,750

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Originally Posted by durun

Jackson, backup point with the Celts, should be available for a second.

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Get demonstrably worse, never minder undersized, at guard.

Yeah. A brilliant plan.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Unfortunately I think some people are going overboard with the criticism of Jrue to make the point that he doesn't deserve anything near a max contract, but let's not forget Holiday is a very solid player and very multifaceted.

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Jrue to me is a borderline top 15 PG that works ideally when he has a lot of other ball handlers and facilitators that can share the offensive responsibilities.

Defensively he is streaky but should be a very good cog in the machine if he is in a lineup that doesn't have any notable weak links.

But I am actually struggling to see how Jrue vs. say a Jeff Teague or Darren Collison really pushes your prospects up much, if at all with this roster and coach?

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Jrue to me is a borderline top 15 PG that works ideally when he has a lot of other ball handlers and facilitators that can share the offensive responsibilities.

Defensively he is streaky but should be a very good cog in the machine if he is in a lineup that doesn't have any notable weak links.

But I am actually struggling to see how Jrue vs. say a Jeff Teague or Darren Collison really pushes your prospects up much, if at all with this roster and coach?

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None of those attributes that you mentioned scream to run and re-sign Holiday. Top 15 is sketchy IMO but that's your opinion. I really don't see anything in Jrue that others do. I don't see stellar defense and I don't see stellar offense. He's middle of the road. On top of that, he's going to ask for a ton of money. I'll pass but to each his own.

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Originally Posted by donato

Why not both? Asik + Frazier + 2017 second rounder + 2018 first rounder FOR Bledsoe and Knight. Let Holiday walk, Cunningham opts out.

Excluding minimal guys like Jordan Crawford and Quinn Cook (what are those guys, less than $1m combined?), that puts us at an estimated $99,305,824 with 9 (11) players under contract (excluding Crawford, Cook, etc.) with their 2017-2018 salaries.


Anthony Davis $23,775,506
DeMarcus Cousins $16,784,031
Solomon Hill $12,236,535
E'Twaun Moore $8,445,024
Alexis Ajinca $5,186,798
Quincy Pondexter $3,853,931
Cheick Diallo $905,249
Eric Bledsoe $14,500,000
Brandon Knight $13,618,750

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The pairing of Knight and Bledsoe in the same backcourt didn't really work in Phoenix. I wouldn't want to repeat that experiment.

I'm curious how much is too much for those of you insisting we need to resign Holiday. Is there a price that is too much? Or are you hellbent on resigning him no matter the cost?

What's your breaking point, if you have one?

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I'm curious how much is too much for those of you insisting we need to resign Holiday. Is there a price that is too much? Or are you hellbent on resigning him no matter the cost?

What's your breaking point, if you have one?

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No more than AD.....any more he can **** off

If you bring back Jrue for more than $20m, you also need to get used to seeing more Diallo (which I wouldn't mind). Having so much tied up in our core 3 would prevent us from going after too many established players, and force us to play younger, cheaper guys more often, so Diallo would see a dramatic uptick in minutes, unless of course we keep Demps and in his infinite wisdom signs another big to this lineup when what we need are shooters, which is a total #pelslife move.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I'm curious how much is too much for those of you insisting we need to resign Holiday. Is there a price that is too much? Or are you hellbent on resigning him no matter the cost?

What's your breaking point, if you have one?

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I don't think I have seen anyone say anything more than 25 million. Most seem to max out around 23 or so.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I'm curious how much is too much for those of you insisting we need to resign Holiday. Is there a price that is too much? Or are you hellbent on resigning him no matter the cost?

What's your breaking point, if you have one?

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Jrue's gonna get somewhere between $22-27 million per year. I dont know if people realize how much his max really is when they say someone will max him, but it's north of $30 million. He won't get that.

I'd be comfortable going up to $25 million.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

Jrue's gonna get somewhere between $22-27 million per year. I dont know if people realize how much his max really is when they say someone will max him, but it's north of $30 million. He won't get that.

I'd be comfortable going up to $25 million.

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More than AD?
FML if that happens.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

More than AD?
FML if that happens.

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This will be Jrue's third contract. AD is only on his second contract. That's how it works.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

This will be Jrue's third contract. AD is only on his second contract. That's how it works.

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And still sucks.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

And still sucks.

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There's plenty of guys that aren't as good as AD that make more than him.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

There's plenty of guys that aren't as good as AD that make more than him.

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Obviously, but they should be on this team.

Hearing from a few people that work within the org that Jrue does not plan on coming back. They are guessing he wants to play for a bigger market.

Wondering what would be the next step after that? Assuming he moves on. Hopefully it would be some type of sign and trade so we dont get left with nothing?

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Originally Posted by DaBrow

Hearing from a few people that work within the org that Jrue does not plan on coming back. They are guessing he wants to play for a bigger market.

Wondering what would be the next step after that? Assuming he moves on. Hopefully it would be some type of sign and trade so we dont get left with nothing?

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I don't know anybody that works over there anymore, but I buy this 1,000,000%.
Jrue could have easily said at some point that he wants to play for the Pelicans if they can work the financials out. Instead, crickets.

It's pretty easy to say you want to come back, IF you want to come back...

Darren Collison expresses interest in re-signing with the Kings https://t.co/LE6416OZxE

— Tony Xypteras (@TonyXypteras) April 13, 2017

I hope that Intel is correct
That is the best news yet.
Now we need to hear Alvin Gentry is gone

Jrue has been overrated since day one in this franchise. His game isn't a needle mover. His hype was due to his level of play at a young age but since he has never gotten better. But I think your value would look inflated when you are out you replacement is a fringe NBA guy. When Tyreke replaced Jrue we didn't miss a beat. It's time to move in a new direction and stop investing in past assets.

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Originally Posted by DaBrow

Hearing from a few people that work within the org that Jrue does not plan on coming back. They are guessing he wants to play for a bigger market.

Wondering what would be the next step after that? Assuming he moves on. Hopefully it would be some type of sign and trade so we dont get left with nothing?

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Always expected this should have traded him when we had the chance. The only way we keep Jrue is if we max him.

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Originally Posted by DaBrow

Hearing from a few people that work within the org that Jrue does not plan on coming back. They are guessing he wants to play for a bigger market.

Wondering what would be the next step after that? Assuming he moves on. Hopefully it would be some type of sign and trade so we dont get left with nothing?

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I'm going to call it. He going to the Knicks. Phil Jackson has interest in him. He will be united with his brother.

Good. The way he finished the year I wouldn't pay a dime over $18m for him. Glad he wants to go elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Champ

I'm going to call it. He going to the Knicks. Phil Jackson has interest in him. He will be united with his brother.

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I'd be happy with a sign and trade to whatever team he wanted to go to.

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Originally Posted by DaBrow

Hearing from a few people that work within the org that Jrue does not plan on coming back. They are guessing he wants to play for a bigger market.

Wondering what would be the next step after that? Assuming he moves on. Hopefully it would be some type of sign and trade so we dont get left with nothing?

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If true, it is sad that the Pelicans did not figure this out before the trade deadline and get some assets for him.

As much as Demps and Gentry stressed the importance of bringing Jrue back in the pressers today, I can't imagine that's true. Maybe he's noncommittal, which would be bad enough, but there's no way they'd drop Jrue's name so much if they knew he "does not plan on coming back."

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Originally Posted by BP225

As much as Demps and Gentry stressed the importance of bringing Jrue back in the pressers today, I can't imagine that's true. Maybe he's noncommittal, which would be bad enough, but there's no way they'd drop Jrue's name so much if they knew he "does not plan on coming back."

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well,,if jrue bounce on then gentry and demps wont look bad and get the blame....

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

If true, it is sad that the Pelicans did not figure this out before the trade deadline and get some assets for him.

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They really want to resign him. That becomes impossible if we trade him. Even if Jrue expressed intentions to "explore other options" if the goal is to resign him then having Boogie and being able to give him a bigger contract than anyone else is big incentive. Maybe he takes it, maybe he doesn't but you can't control that part.

It's possible he's undecided. They've been going way out of their way to make Jrue feel wanted and needed since the Cousins trade. But if they KNOW he's leaving, which is what the post we're replying to said, then you don't keep talking about how important he is to your team going forward.

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Originally Posted by BP225

It's possible he's undecided. They've been going way out of their way to make Jrue feel wanted and needed since the Cousins trade. But if they KNOW he's leaving, which is what the post we're replying to said, then you don't keep talking about how important he is to your team going forward.

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Unless of course they are trying to makes the Jrue lovers feel happy.....and when he doesn't re-sign they can say we tried our best.

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Originally Posted by BP225

It's possible he's undecided. They've been going way out of their way to make Jrue feel wanted and needed since the Cousins trade. But if they KNOW he's leaving, which is what the post we're replying to said, then you don't keep talking about how important he is to your team going forward.

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I don't think they KNOW anything about Jrue's intentions. Which is a problem. Hopefully they're prepared for whatever happens, because AD and Cousins are an awesome foundation that should reach the playoffs next year if the right pieces, with or without Jrue, are in place.

Pelicans GM Dell Demps when asked about the team's approach to Jrue Holiday's free agency: pic.twitter.com/qtLJzAan2V

— Justin Verrier (@JustinVerrier) April 13, 2017

Is the use of past tense meaningful/insightful in anyway...?

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Pelicans GM Dell Demps when asked about the team's approach to Jrue Holiday's free agency: pic.twitter.com/qtLJzAan2V

— Justin Verrier (@JustinVerrier) April 13, 2017

Is the use of past tense meaningful/insightful in anyway...?

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Did they ever say this about EG or Ryno?

Not saying they know for a fact that he isn't coming back. Just that there are little things that have happened, that seems like he is on his way out. I do know for a fact that they definitely want him back, though.

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Originally Posted by DaBrow

Not saying they know for a fact that he isn't coming back. Just that there are little things that have happened, that seems like he is on his way out. I do know for a fact that they definitely want him back, though.

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Appreciate the insight. It will certainly be interesting, and this will be his first true time at free agency too right? So will be interesting.

well, if jrue dont come back,,who will be the number one target demps go after?.....

I would still prefer they re-sign him, purely because I think Dell would hurt us even more if he had all that money to spend in free agency. We would end up throwing too much money at guys even less proven than Jrue and of course they will turn up here and grossly underperform.

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

well, if jrue dont come back,,who will be the number one target demps go after?.....

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That's the million dollar question. We could go two different ways. Either clear as much cap space as possible and try to sign a max type player or try and trade for a player. Maybe even a combo of signing someone to the amount Jrue's cap hold was trading for a player

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

That's the million dollar question. We could go two different ways. Either clear as much cap space as possible and try to sign a max type player or try and trade for a player. Maybe even a combo of signing someone to the amount Jrue's cap hold was trading for a player

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Are you still on that island refusing to believe a sign and trade is a possibility?

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Are you still on that island refusing to believe a sign and trade is a possibility?

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There is a difference between saying it's not possible and that it won't happen.

I don't believe a sign and trade will happen.

im going to start it off.....i predict the jazz will beat the clippers 4-1 and the fallout in LA will be bad.......we then do a sign and trade with jrue for cp3.....cp3 then talk jj redick into signing with the pelicans ......boogie and cp3 work it out and get us deep into the playoffs next season......there it is lol......

If Jrue wants to go then bye. He just has not and probably will never reach his potential. I'm thinking there have been preliminary talks, and the team isn't committing to what the Jrue camp wants.

Same thing happened with Gordon and why he was so mad with the team. But Phoenix offered a max and the team matched. I'm thinking that will NOT happen this time around. They won't offer more than a set value they have in mind.

I'd prefer Tyreke over Jrue at this point.

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

well, if jrue dont come back,,who will be the number one target demps go after?.....

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Hopefully the unemployment line.

I'd say there is a 4 percent chance Jrue will be back next season.


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