Summer League Discussion

Diallo doing work. These D-League dudes stink though.

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Originally Posted by bahmamamba

Nbatv too

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Is it on NBATV? Paper this morning said it would not be.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Is it on NBATV? Paper this morning said it would not be.

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Yeah watching it now

A lot of sloppy mistakes and turnovers.

What the play of summer league BY FAR!!! Pick and roll with Buddy & Diallo, with Diallo rolling to the hoop to catch an alley oop from Buddy for the DUNK!!! That was awesome!!

I expect Buddy to be better as he practices with regular roster. I was really encouraged by Diallo. McKay was noticed today. And I like the potential of Cat Barber. Everyone else will not be invited.

Would have been nice if Buddy gave us a little more to be excited about. Just SL but definitely was somewhat of a disappointment. Struggling the way he did could be the best thing for him though. Just wish over there next few months I had something to back up the way I feel he will play. Atleast he gave us some nice flashes. Surprisingly Diallo was the most consistent player when it should be the opposite. We are going to have a player in that kid.

Can find a box score.
Can somebody put up Diallo and Heilds stats?
How did Inglis do?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Can find a box score.
Can somebody put up Diallo and Heilds stats?
How did Inglis do?

Thanks

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All good I found it.
It was originally not loading the stats.

I hope this showing is a just the fact the Heild is playing with half a team and not what we will see of Buddy.

Otherwise Buddy will have to add to his names.
Buddy "bull******** artist" because he talks the talk.

I don't worry about poor shooting in the summer league. Missing shots on a new team as the focal point of the offense for four games isn't a big deal. What I do worry about though is that if he is being affected by the change of quality or speed of play, he is going to be really out of depth once he's playing against NBA teams. Buddy almost got his points per shot down to half of Curry's this last season, which is amazing. I know he won't be the focal point of the offense and taking enough shots for it to happen and it is only four games but that would have been tied for 455th out of 474 players in points per shot. It'd be great if he just came out of the gates this season and was efficient beyond all belief, putting the nail in the coffin for determining anything from Summer League.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Can find a box score.
Can somebody put up Diallo and Heilds stats?
How did Inglis do?

Thanks

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Other than McKay and Diallo nobody did much at all. McKay actually looked pretty good getting to the rim. Long athletic player who might get an invite.

Buddy Hield
30 minutes / 11 points / FG 5-18 / 3PT 1-7 / 5 assits / 2 rebounds / 1 steal / 1 TO

Chieck Diallo
28 minutes / 12 points / FG 5-12 / FT 2-3 / 10 rebounds (3 offensive) / 3 blocks

Jameel McKay
26 minutes / 16 points / FG 7-10 / FT 2-4 / 13 rebounds (5 offensive) / 4 blocks / 2 TOs

Damien Inglis
8 minutes / 2 points / FG 1-2 / 2 rebounds / 2 assits / 3 blocks / 4 TOs

Edit: just realized you found the stats. If anybody else was looking here you go.

Really disappointed with Buddy's shooting. Diallo can get stats because hes so athletic and has nice touch, but he will prolly only see garbage time minutes this year unless we're hamstrung by injuries again.

I guess the other factor is Buddy has been the focal point of the offense and is creating off the dribble more than he will once the season starts.

Lets go Hield, start splashing.

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Originally Posted by Impose

Really disappointed with Buddy's shooting. Diallo can get stats because hes so athletic and has nice touch, but he will prolly only see garbage time minutes this year unless we're hamstrung by injuries again.

I guess the other factor is Buddy has been the focal point of the offense and is creating off the dribble more than he will once the season starts.

Lets go Hield, start splashing.

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Yea I definitely agree. I'm not concerned with Buddy's shooting at all yet but anybody saying it wasn't disappointing is lying to themself. I think it will actually come easier in the regular season for him shooting than it was in SL. One thing I liked that he did was create for others well and showed he can play as part of a system not just being the main focal point shooting everytime he touches the ball. That was really the only question I had with him is how he would adjust to the system and not feeling like he needs to force everything. His defense was ok but can definitely improve. Overall disappointing from him but definitely showed some promise in areas that I wanted to see.

Diallo looked very well but IMO he will be the opposite of Buddy having a much harder time in the regular season with his play style. If he was stronger with some more weight on him I would feel better but he will get man handled by most right now. I'm sure he could still be effective though and really we don't know how good he could be considering he played better than expected. So little tape in him to really know what to expect. Very obvious he has tons of potential. His mid range shot looked good at times and bad others. The great thing is I don't think his shot is stuck one way and can very easily be molded since he is so raw. I doubt he has the muscle memory having developed a bad shooting stroke. If he can add a consistent mid range jumper to his game I have no doubt he will be a very good NBA player. The weight and strength will come with time. Very good and consistent SL from Diallo.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Other than McKay and Diallo nobody did much at all. McKay actually looked pretty good getting to the rim. Long athletic player who might get an invite.

Buddy Hield
30 minutes / 11 points / FG 5-18 / 3PT 1-7 / 5 assits / 2 rebounds / 1 steal / 1 TO

Chieck Diallo
28 minutes / 12 points / FG 5-12 / FT 2-3 / 10 rebounds (3 offensive) / 3 blocks

Jameel McKay
26 minutes / 16 points / FG 7-10 / FT 2-4 / 13 rebounds (5 offensive) / 4 blocks / 2 TOs

Damien Inglis
8 minutes / 2 points / FG 1-2 / 2 rebounds / 2 assits / 3 blocks / 4 TOs

Edit: just realized you found the stats. If anybody else was looking here you go.

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Thank you

Did Diallo have a double-double every game?

These Meeks - Heild comparisons are starting to ******** me off

Summer League puts to rest the idea that the best team in college basketball could beat the worst team in pro-basketball.

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Originally Posted by Lelicans

These Meeks - Heild comparisons are starting to ******** me off

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Where are you seeing that?

I like Buddy's development in these games as time has gone on.

His shot has been hard to come by, I think thats partly because he doesn't have explosiveness to get by players, and also he's getting hassled almost all game.

His passing has improved alot though over these few games, getting them to people in position to score instead of awkward ones at the knees.

He needs to work on his handle, particularly the left hand, most of his issues came up when he started using his left hand.

Overall an Ok showing by him, but his playmaking is reasonable, as is his defence. This would make him better than Eric Gordon's been for us the past couple season, if he shoots a reasonable percentage from 3 this season.

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Originally Posted by Tin_Food

I like Buddy's development in these games as time has gone on.

His shot has been hard to come by, I think thats partly because he doesn't have explosiveness to get by players, and also he's getting hassled almost all game.

His passing has improved alot though over these few games, getting them to people in position to score instead of awkward ones at the knees.

He needs to work on his handle, particularly the left hand, most of his issues came up when he started using his left hand.

Overall an Ok showing by him, but his playmaking is reasonable, as is his defence. This would make him better than Eric Gordon's been for us the past couple season, if he shoots a reasonable percentage from 3 this season.

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As Isiah has said every game, there are two, sometimes three guys around Buddy whenever he gets the ball. No team respects anyone else. And frankly, we were very predictable offensively. Pretty much every possession Hield is in on they bring the PG up and try and get Hield the ball on the perimeter. It was so predictable. Whats worse is no one else was respected by defenses so they could execute it all game.

I agree with everything you said though. It was nice to see him grow each game in other areas despite his shot not falling. Averaging 5 assists every game for the last 3 outings. Tied for most total on the team. Second leading rebounder after Diallo.

For the one guard who was knocked as a passer, he ended up averaging more assists then Dunn and Murray. Both of those guys who were primary facilitators on their teams.

Cheick Diallo played just 202 minutes at Kansas. He's played 189 total between the NBA Combine (44) and Las Vegas Summer League (145). Over seven games (SMALL SAMPLE SIZE ALERT) he's averaging:

11.9 points
8.7 rebounds
2.4 blocks
2.6 fouls (actually a really solid total for a young shot blocker)
52.3% FG (34/65)
75.0% FT (12/16)

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Summer League puts to rest the idea that the best team in college basketball could beat the worst team in pro-basketball.

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I always tell my kids that it is totally unacceptable to escalate to physical violence over just words.......unless the words are that the best college team of any sport can beat the worst pro team. That's the only time.

I think Buddy will put up close to 14 ppg, 4 rpg, 3 apg, and 1 spg as a rookie.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

As Isiah has said every game, there are two, sometimes three guys around Buddy whenever he gets the ball. No team respects anyone else. And frankly, we were very predictable offensively. Pretty much every possession Hield is in on they bring the PG up and try and get Hield the ball on the perimeter. It was so predictable. Whats worse is no one else was respected by defenses so they could execute it all game.

I agree with everything you said though. It was nice to see him grow each game in other areas despite his shot not falling. Averaging 5 assists every game for the last 3 outings. Tied for most total on the team. Second leading rebounder after Diallo.

For the one guard who was knocked as a passer, he ended up averaging more assists then Dunn and Murray. Both of those guys who were primary facilitators on their teams.

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Did buddy really average more assists per game than dunn and murray?

I just checked out Jameel McKays combine measurements and man is that kid long! He's 6'9 with a 7'3.5" wingspan and 9'1.5" standing reach which is very good. Was a very good rebounder in college while shooting around 60% from the field. Looked explosive today getting to the rim and looked very good using that length to block some shots. Definitely would not mind this kid coming to camp which I think he will and even would be nice to see him in the DLeague. IMO I would rather see him get a shot than anyone else I watched.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I always tell my kids that it is totally unacceptable to escalate to physical violence over just words.......unless the words are that the best college team of any sport can beat the worst pro team. That's the only time.

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Lol this is great parenting! Good job dad!

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

As Isiah has said every game, there are two, sometimes three guys around Buddy whenever he gets the ball. No team respects anyone else. And frankly, we were very predictable offensively. Pretty much every possession Hield is in on they bring the PG up and try and get Hield the ball on the perimeter. It was so predictable. Whats worse is no one else was respected by defenses so they could execute it all game.

I agree with everything you said though. It was nice to see him grow each game in other areas despite his shot not falling. Averaging 5 assists every game for the last 3 outings. Tied for most total on the team. Second leading rebounder after Diallo.

For the one guard who was knocked as a passer, he ended up averaging more assists then Dunn and Murray. Both of those guys who were primary facilitators on their teams.

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Did Dunn have a decent SL team? I know Murray's team was pretty good so he had more freedom to operate.

I feel that at this point in time if you put Dunn in the same situation as Hield, he'd be able to deal with it slightly better, only because he's more physical, athletic and has a tighter handle than Hield. That said if he was the guy on this team, players probably wouldn't respect his shot so the lanes would likely close up. Bit of a moot point

Atm I'd say you don't want him as your main guy, which is totally fine because he'll be the 3rd to 4th option on the starting lineup anyway. In an Eric Gordon type role I'd go as far as saying he's an upgrade.

Looking forward to see how he develops with his handles and refining his offensive moves (more moves off the ball instead of off the dribble). It'll be where he takes the next step over the next couple seasons.

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Originally Posted by Tin_Food

I like Buddy's development in these games as time has gone on.

His shot has been hard to come by, I think thats partly because he doesn't have explosiveness to get by players, and also he's getting hassled almost all game.

His passing has improved alot though over these few games, getting them to people in position to score instead of awkward ones at the knees.

He needs to work on his handle, particularly the left hand, most of his issues came up when he started using his left hand.

Overall an Ok showing by him, but his playmaking is reasonable, as is his defence. This would make him better than Eric Gordon's been for us the past couple season, if he shoots a reasonable percentage from 3 this season.

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He has the explosiveness. It's his first taste of NBA paced basketball. He's used to being able to just shoot over and drive by college level players at the slower pace they play at. This is where NBA coaching has to take over. He has to learn you can't hop around NBA talent. You've got to get on your toes, make a sharp move and go. Quickly.

If he's coached right you'll see the difference after he's had time to work on it. It's not like he never did it from time to time in college. Now it's got to be all the time. It's an adjustment.

Yeah I'm not worried about Hield's shot just because our team was so bad around him (outside of Diallo).

What was impressive to me was he was probably asked to do more playmaking for others in SL than ever at OU and after the 1st game where he lost the ball a lot, he really adjusted and did just that. That bodes well for him being able to move the ball around and hit open guys.

I also liked his rebounding and thought his defense got better as SL went on. When you look at how he played that 1st game compared to the last, there was a lot of improvement there.

Diallo however, was just surprising. Because there was so limited footage of him and how thin he was I thought he'd struggle more than he did. Really impressive so far.

I can't wait for TC and pre season to start and see how much they have progressed.

Was there anyone on any team that we could move Cunningham or Qpon for? I'd like to see a couple SF and a PF brought in.

I wouldn't trade Q-Pon! He's on the best contract in the NBA. He's only making like 3 mil for the next few seasons. You can't trade a great bench player like that.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Yeah I'm not worried about Hield's shot just because our team was so bad around him (outside of Diallo).

What was impressive to me was he was probably asked to do more playmaking for others in SL than ever at OU and after the 1st game where he lost the ball a lot, he really adjusted and did just that. That bodes well for him being able to move the ball around and hit open guys.

I also liked his rebounding and thought his defense got better as SL went on. When you look at how he played that 1st game compared to the last, there was a lot of improvement there.

Diallo however, was just surprising. Because there was so limited footage of him and how thin he was I thought he'd struggle more than he did. Really impressive so far.

I can't wait for TC and pre season to start and see how much they have progressed.

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Yeah I'm worried about Buddy's shot selection too. He's starting to like a Jamal Crawford or James Harden with the Thunder type of player. He's seems like a guy that can come off the bench and light it up.

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

Yeah I'm worried about Buddy's shot selection too. He's starting to like a Jamal Crawford or James Harden with the Thunder type of player. He's seems like a guy that can come off the bench and light it up.

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I'm not worried at all until I see him with an actual NBA team. If he does that stuff while AD is wide open, then we have issues. There's going to be a transition between OU Buddy and NBA Buddy. I think this Summer League was a good step in the right direction.

Well, Murray beasted again

Well, Ulis beasted again

He sure did

https://vine.co/v/5ZB1DiT0xVh

Tyus Jones leading the Vegas summer league in assists!! If any other coach would be coaching the T-wolves, we would likely have Kris Dunn on our roster. That team has Rubio, Jones, & LaVine with no shooters!! They needed a shooter more than anything lol. I like Buddy though, but man he better start making some damn shots!! I just think Dunn has a chance to be really good.

Buddy No Buckets better turn back to Buddy Buckets the next time I see him play lol!!

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

Tyus Jones leading the Vegas summer league in assists!! If any other coach would be coaching the T-wolves, we would likely have Kris Dunn on our roster. That team has Rubio, Jones, & LaVine with no shooters!! They needed a shooter more than anything lol. I like Buddy though, but man he better start making some damn shots!! I just think Dunn has a chance to be really good.

Buddy No Buckets better turn back to Buddy Buckets the next time I see him play lol!!

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You mean Buddy Bricks!! Lol

Found a great highlight video of Hield in SL for anybody that missed the games and is interested. The guy who made this has one on a lot of the top players. Was hoping for one on Diallo but he doesn't have one atleast yet.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce4aOC3fWbs

Diallo will be our center if he continues to play the way he did in the SL. He is a major steal.

I still prefer Buddy over Murray, despite Buddy's SL struggles.

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Originally Posted by SaintPelican225

I still prefer Buddy over Murray, despite Buddy's SL struggles.

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Buddy's play-making is seriously underrated and is a level above Murray's

people still looking too much isn't buddy's SL struggles, heck look at KAT in SL, averaged like 39% from the field.

bender shot 25% tonight.

all the top rookies have struggled at times. Buddy will be good, and his passing has been an awesome surprise.

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Originally Posted by Lelicans

Buddy's play-making is seriously underrated and is a level above Murray's

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agree

Not sure why MM had reservations on Brown before the draft. He looks great in these highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahVAgCPbiAw

I was very pro-Jaylen Brown. Can't decide squat off SL. Good or bad.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I was very pro-Jaylen Brown. Can't decide squat off SL. Good or bad.

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Absolutely. Brown is a freak of aN athlete and I def trust Danny Ainge over MM evaluations. Brown will be a very good player in the NBA. IMO. I really wanted to us to get Tyler Ullis or Bentil in the 2nd round too. Although now seeing Diallo I can't be upset. However long ways to go but Diallo looks very good,

supposedly tyler Ulis has been the best summer league rookie and tonight he went 5/21

anyone remember when Karl Anthony Towns shot 39% last summer league and averaged 12-7?

After Summer league, NBA's Scott Howard-Cooper says he doesn't buy into summer league translating into NBA production and his rookie rankings ladder for the regular season is:

1. Simmons
2. Buddy
3. Ingram
4. Murray
5. Dunn
6. Bender
7. Brown
8. Poeltl
9. Embiid
10. Prince