Hornets Report Redraft 2013 draft thread

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Originally Posted by hornetstime247

AD23MVP you draftedCarlos Boozer.... Carlos Boozer. Think about that for a second. Also, please show me this statistic that actually somehow quantifies that Boozer is a better defender than Aldridge (heres a clue.. no such actual statistic exists that can meaningfully quantify an unquantifiable measure like defense).

If you don't believe me, ask any Bulls fans out there what they think of Boozer, that should settle it for you.


Again Durant is the 2nd best player in the world and one of the best shooters in the league. He draws double teams and draws defenders out of the paint. Durant has never had a big man nearly as talented as Aldridge. If teams focused everything on Durant and Aldridge, you have a 7 foot beast who has been dominating teams over the last few months in the middle. I have 3 guys that need to be doubled on this team.

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Boozer posts better statistics in points per play overall, in isolation, in pick & roll, in spot ups, on hand offs.

Boozer allows a better shot percentage overall, in isolation, in pick & roll, in spot ups, on hand offs.

Boozer has allowed less and1's overall, in iso, in spot ups, on hand offs.

Boozer causes more turnovers overall, in iso, in pick & roll, in spot ups, on hand offs.

Boozer posts a better offensive rebound rate.

Boozer posts a better defensive rebound rate.

Boozer posts a better total rebound rate.

Boozer posts a better steal percentage.

Boozer posts a better defensive rating.

Boozer posts better defensive win shares.


Do I need to keep going? The statistical evidence clearly exists. It is time to start doing a little research into your team and not just picking based off of name alone. I'd also suggest that you look at what Bulls fans have to say about Boozer. Their biggest complaint is and always will be his contract.

AD23 you are trying to argue that Boozer is a better player than Aldridge and Cousins.. Seriously man? Like seriously. I know u are the commish of the sim league and everyone will have your back.. But man.. For your own sake give it up please. You are talking anout Carlos Boozer the same Boozer the bulls were tryin to give away to Toronto for Barganani, the same boozer that bulls fans hate.

I'm not arguing that at all. It's almost like you aren't even reading what I write. Not once have I said that Boozer is a better overall player than Aldridge, not once. You are welcome to find where I did say that if you believe I did.

What I am arguing is that Boozer is a better defender than you think he is, that your two bigs are a poor fit together, and you are putting together a team that won't be able to compete because of trades. Enough people have agreed with that opinion that you shouldn't even be trying to argue it anymore.

The Los Angeles Lakers select Monta Ellis :)

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Originally Posted by hornetstime247

AD23 you are trying to argue that Boozer is a better player than Aldridge and Cousins.. Seriously man? Like seriously. I know u are the commish of the sim league and everyone will have your back.. But man.. For your own sake give it up please. You are talking anout Carlos Boozer the same Boozer the bulls were tryin to give away to Toronto for Barganani, the same boozer that bulls fans hate.

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Yeah, Boozer plays for arguably one of the best (if not the best) coach in the league. However, I think he shows how LA is overrated a little.

Can't wait until the actual rounds begin.

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Originally Posted by chadanthony2001

The Los Angeles Lakers select Monta Ellis :)

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There's one.

I'd take Aldridge over Boozer.

I don't know why it's such a hard concept for 247 to grasp, but that is not what I am arguing.

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Originally Posted by BeeBall Reasons

There are so many people still available that should have been pick earlier it's honestly making it very hard for me just to pick between them...

also I'm not sure If I should just draft talent at this point or stick with the plan.

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True, I wanted another guy who will fit perfect with Lebron but from the big men rage I was forced to take one who can literally score in the paint. One just was took who should have been gone in Monta Ellis, but plenty more the can play and fit with Lebron.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I'd take Aldridge over Boozer.

I don't know why it's such a hard concept for 247 to grasp, but that is not what I am arguing.

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Boozer would be a better fit for his team than LMA, due to what he brings as a complimentary player.

Agreed. I mean seriously, I'm not arguing that Aldridge or Cousins are bad players, or even overrated players.

I'm saying they're a bad fit together, or mesh poorly together as BeeBall said. That...is...it

And I honestly can't see how anyone can disagree with that if they leave their bias at the door.

It's like pau and Dwight, an pau is much more unselfish and a better passer. Actually would have liked pau a lot better honestly.

Who's pick is it ?

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Who's pick is it ?

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The man. The myth. The legend. Beeball

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

It's like pau and Dwight, an pau is much more unselfish and a better passer. Actually would have liked pau a lot better honestly.

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Better than who?

Crunching some numbers. Pick will come soon.

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Originally Posted by BeeBall Reasons

Crunching some numbers. Pick will come soon.

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I have a feeling your gonna draft the guy I want

There's 2 guys I like a lot

wrong thread

I select spike aldrecht haha damn no but sorry this is taking a while there are a few players I like here and I'm trying to figure out which one has a chance to fall even further.

I would be much better at this if there was a list of remaining players in some sort of ranking system

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Agreed. I mean seriously, I'm not arguing that Aldridge or Cousins are bad players, or even overrated players.

I'm saying they're a bad fit together, or mesh poorly together as BeeBall said. That...is...it

And I honestly can't see how anyone can disagree with that if they leave their bias at the door.

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The big piece is looking at their usage rates. Aldridge is 3 as a PF Cousins #1 as a C and Durant 4 as a SF.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I'd take Aldridge over Boozer.

I don't know why it's such a hard concept for 247 to grasp, but that is not what I am arguing.

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anyways man..it was a fun debate haha spiced this thing up a little. Hope to see you in the playoff. Goodluck the rest of the way.

Well if the pick isnt in the next 20 mins i'm going to bed. Been waiting a few hours at this point and have an early morning.

I made a big board with the 20 people I like the most left, also a 10 people I think that could slip and I could find in later rounds for cheap bench production. I mark them off as they are picked. I'm more than ready for my next pick :hihi:

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Well if the pick isnt in the next 20 mins i'm going to bed. Been waiting a few hours at this point and have an early morning.

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It's been 31 minutes...

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

It's been 31 minutes...

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:confused: for me or since the last pick?

For you. Isn't it passed your bed time?

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

For you. Isn't it passed your bed time?

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Yeah, Stupid NC game. I never make it to me 7:30 Meeting on Tuesdays on time. Oh well.

I have to cut my grandmaws grass before work...

Is she at least going to make you a sammich?

She's gonna pay me a nice amount of money :)

Alright no more empty threats ! I'm really going to sleep now.

Damn beeball. It's been a while

Pistons select Nikola Pekovic

Pekovic top of Round 3?? Idk Guru..im thinkin reach, would love to hear how you came to this decision

With the 52nd Pick in the 3rd Round the Pelicans Select: Eric Gordon


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I know I may lose this draft because of the straight hate for Gordon and what he's done to our franchise, but in round 3 It was really hard to pass him up knowing my needs. With George and Horford, I wanted another guy that can create his own shots. If you look at Gordon, he's 8th in baskets assisted amongst SGs who's played more than 25 Minutes per game. Outside of world beaters, Kobe, Wade and Harden, Gordon is really the only one of these guys that is solid in all phases of the game (less injury report). I figure if Bynum can be taken off of his past so can Gordon, and when healthy he's at worst a 17-3-3 guy. I did have some concerns with Gordon with his low assist rate and high turnover rate, but I think a lot of that is predicated on the fact that he's been forced to be a #1 option on teams without peripheral scoring, which, with my team I don't think will be a problem due to having George and Horford. Another think I like about Gordon is that he can help with floor spacing. He's not great from 3, but he's very capable to dropping it.

Boooo BSH exactly who I wanted, in about 6 picks. If you're still worried about the Gordon perception in a few picks and a guy you want is there, let me know.

THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS SELECT
RUDY GAY
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Rudy Gay is a defensive game-changer, with a well-rounded offensive game. He is often asked to carry the load for his teams perimeter scoring, forcing him to take shots he does not have to. In an offense with Greg Monroe, Gay will be found cutting to the basket and slashing hard. Gay also brings star power that the Spurs missed out on by trading back into the late 2nd round. Although he has a tendency to be reckless with the ball, he is a fantastic addition to the Spurs with a statline of 18 points, 6 rebounds, and nearly 3 assists. And since the all star game, has added 2 percentage points to his pedestrian shooting percentage showing massive improvement.

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Originally Posted by HornetsFaninKY

Boooo BSH exactly who I wanted, in about 6 picks. If you're still worried about the Gordon perception in a few picks and a guy you want is there, let me know.

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Lol I'll let you know but I'm pretty solid on the pick

The Dallas Mavericks select...

Ricky Rubio

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Rubio is having an off year of sorts, after suffering an injury that put him out all of last year. PER tells the whole story, however. His team is always better with him on the court, as his court vision is unparalleled. He is a master play maker that fits perfectly next to Smith and Duncan, Smith especially as their oops will become some of the best in the league. This team currently needs a perimeter scorer, but there will be scorers available later in the draft, but no one after this selection will have a floor general like Rubio.

Washington Wizards select

Ty Lawson

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and

Ryan Anderson

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/R...T9A0nXG8ax.jpg

Damn, three really good picks I was scouting. Nice pick ups on the last 3 picks. Really really solid additions.

Sweet no one has my guy yet

Will be picking shortly. I think I know who I want but want to make sure first. The Eric Gordon pick threw a wrench in my plans.

Toronto Raptors Select...Roy Hibbert from Entertainment 720

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Originally Posted by HornetsFaninKY

Toronto Raptors Select...Roy Hibbert from Entertainment 720

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LOL

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/10/raga4a7y.jpg

Solid pick KY!

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Originally Posted by ItsPaulyP

Pekovic top of Round 3?? Idk Guru..im thinkin reach, would love to hear how you came to this decision

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Basically he is a guy averaging 16-9, same numbers as cousins and monroe, but he is shooting a higher FG% then both at an awesome .518, he is also a 75% FT shooter and only turns the ball over 1.5 per game. He isnt a guy who needs the ball to be effective because he wears his guys down unlike cousins and monroe, and he is also less of a cancer than cousins.

Pekovic also gives a ton of effort on D unlike cousins and monroe
while pek only averages 1.5 TO's per game cousins averages 3.0 and monroe also has 3.0 TO per game
pek shoots 52% from the field while cousins shoots 46% and monroe shoots 48%
While pek shoots 75% from FT cousins shoots 73% and monroe 68%

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Originally Posted by HornetsFaninKY

Toronto Raptors Select...Roy Hibbert from Entertainment 720

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Been waiting forever for someone to pick him up. A DPOY candidate that slipped when it seemed like every decent big man in the league was going in a row. Solid pick.