Our Current Standing

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Most definetley and i was thinking that as i typed my last post, if we finish as the 3rd worst team historically we have a good chance of landing the #1 pick, and worst case scenario we get the 4th pick, im not gonna complain lol, as long as we take BPA besides a PF im happy! I do have a feeling though that we are gonna take noel if he is there, if not i see us trading back and taking alex len and putting us in a better spot next year to land one of the stud SF's and signing a decent SF for next season like budinger

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Actually with the 3rd worst record you can end up with 1-6 in picks.

Yeah we have a real chance to get screwed outta position. Just cross your fingers when the lottery rolls around.

New Orleans:
vs Boston- L
vs Memphis- L
vs Denver- L
vs LA Clippers- L
vs Miami- L
vs Cleveland- W
@ Golden State- L
@ Utah- L
@ Phoenix- L
@ LA Lakers- L
@ Sacramento- L
vs LA Clippers- L
vs Dallas- W
@ Dallas- L

I have us going 3-11 to close out the season. I felt like Cleveland, Utah, and Sacramento were the most likely wins. But Utah and Cleveland have winning records at home, and well Cleveland is just terrible on the road. We finish 24-58 (29.3%).

Cleveland:
vs Miami- L
@ Houston- L
vs Boston- L
vs Philly- W
@ New Orleans- L
@ Atlanta- L
vs Brooklyn- L
@ Boston- L
vs Orlando- W
@ Indiana- L
vs Detroit- W
vs New York- W
@ Philly- L
@ Miami- L
@ Charlotte- W

Cleveland has some winnable games down the stretch. Philly, New Orleans, Orlando, Detroit, Philly again, and Charlotte. Maybe Miami is resting their stars when Cleveland goes there as well. I have them finishing 5-10 for a final record of 27-55 (32.9%).

Detroit:
@ Miami- L
@ Charlotte- W
vs Minnesota- L
vs Toronto- W
@ Chicago- L
@ Toronto- L
@ Boston- L
@ Minnesota- L
vs Chicago- L
@ Cleveland- L
vs Charlotte- W
vs Philly- L
@ Brooklyn- L

Detroit is probably our biggest competition in the lottery. They're tanking and they're tanking hard. Losing 9 of their last 10. Good news is though, Drummond should return before the end (he's resumed workouts) and that will pick up their play, and they have a lot of opportunities to split games. They play Charlotte, Minnesota, Toronto, and Chicago two more times. I have them finishing the season 3-10, with a final record of 26-56 (31.7%).

Phoenix:
vs Washington- W
vs Minnesota- L
vs- Brooklyn- L
@ Utah- L
vs Sacramento- W
vs Indiana- L
@ LA Clippers- L
vs Golden State- L
vs New Orleans- W
@ Houston- L
@ Dallas- L
@ Minnesota- L
vs Houston- L
@ Denver- L

Phoenix doesn't worry me to bad. We have a full game lead on them and they have some good vets on that team, plus a coach who's coaching for his job. Most of all though, they play Washington and Sacramento at home. Those two teams don't win on the road. I have them finishing 3-11, 26-56 on the season (31.7%).

Sacramento:
vs LA Clippers- L
vs Minnesota- W
@ Denver- L
vs Philly- L
@ Golden State- L
@ Phoenix- L
vs LA Lakers- L
vs Houston- L
vs Dallas- W
vs Memphis- L
vs New Orleans- W
@ San Antonio- L
@ Houston- L
@ Oklahoma City- L
vs LA Clippers- W

Sacramento could be a dangerous team. They don't win on the road, but they aren't awful at home. I have them going 4-11 to close out the season. I have them beating the Clippers because of a whole "Clippers rest starters as Sacramento possibly plays final home game in Sacramento" headline there. So they finish 27-55 (32.9%).

Ping Pong Balls:
1. Charlotte
2. Orlando
3. New Orleans
4. Detroit (tie)
5. Phoenix (tie)
6. Cleveland (tie)
7. Sacramento (tie)

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

2 completely different players

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Totally different.

I think they'll take Noel if he's there.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Totally different.

I think they'll take Noel if he's there.

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Ya, only person they are taking before Noel is McLemore and I think he will be gone

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Ya, only person they are taking before Noel is McLemore and I think he will be gone

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U guys are mistaken big time. Demps is not drafting Noel before smart,porter or shabazz I bet on it. You can probably throw in oladipo and maybe even Len. The knee problems with Gordon is enough and they are not going to risk being set back another 3 years by drafting a high risk guy like Noel. I don't think some of u guys truly understand how important this draft is for Monty and dell for job security. Drafting noel that's coming off a torn acl is too risky and we don't need another lanky shot blocker who's skinnier than Davis. If they draft that kid and he has knee problems and can't contribute for another 2-3 years because of it then I can guarantee u they r both fired. We have a much more glaring need at pg and sf. Lopez is serviceable at the c position for next year unless they trade him n gv for another center. Our biggest needs is not the center position. Noel is not even a friggin center in the nba. If people r questioning Davis at the 5 what makes anyone think this kid will be one?? If I was a gambling man I'd bet my house that demps does not draft Noel before mclemore,smart,porter for sure. I'd probably put shabazz and oladipo in there too. Too many question marks surrounding him.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

New Orleans:
vs Boston- L
vs Memphis- L
vs Denver- L
vs LA Clippers- L
vs Miami- L
vs Cleveland- W
@ Golden State- L
@ Utah- L
@ Phoenix- L
@ LA Lakers- L
@ Sacramento- L
vs LA Clippers- L
vs Dallas- W
@ Dallas- L

I have us going 3-11 to close out the season. I felt like Cleveland, Utah, and Sacramento were the most likely wins. But Utah and Cleveland have winning records at home, and well Cleveland is just terrible on the road. We finish 24-58 (29.3%).

Cleveland:
vs Miami- L
@ Houston- L
vs Boston- L
vs Philly- W
@ New Orleans- L
@ Atlanta- L
vs Brooklyn- L
@ Boston- L
vs Orlando- W
@ Indiana- L
vs Detroit- W
vs New York- W
@ Philly- L
@ Miami- L
@ Charlotte- W

Cleveland has some winnable games down the stretch. Philly, New Orleans, Orlando, Detroit, Philly again, and Charlotte. Maybe Miami is resting their stars when Cleveland goes there as well. I have them finishing 5-10 for a final record of 27-55 (32.9%).

Detroit:
@ Miami- L
@ Charlotte- W
vs Minnesota- L
vs Toronto- W
@ Chicago- L
@ Toronto- L
@ Boston- L
@ Minnesota- L
vs Chicago- L
@ Cleveland- L
vs Charlotte- W
vs Philly- L
@ Brooklyn- L

Detroit is probably our biggest competition in the lottery. They're tanking and they're tanking hard. Losing 9 of their last 10. Good news is though, Drummond should return before the end (he's resumed workouts) and that will pick up their play, and they have a lot of opportunities to split games. They play Charlotte, Minnesota, Toronto, and Chicago two more times. I have them finishing the season 3-10, with a final record of 26-56 (31.7%).

Phoenix:
vs Washington- W
vs Minnesota- L
vs- Brooklyn- L
@ Utah- L
vs Sacramento- W
vs Indiana- L
@ LA Clippers- L
vs Golden State- L
vs New Orleans- W
@ Houston- L
@ Dallas- L
@ Minnesota- L
vs Houston- L
@ Denver- L

Phoenix doesn't worry me to bad. We have a full game lead on them and they have some good vets on that team, plus a coach who's coaching for his job. Most of all though, they play Washington and Sacramento at home. Those two teams don't win on the road. I have them finishing 3-11, 26-56 on the season (31.7%).

Sacramento:
vs LA Clippers- L
vs Minnesota- W
@ Denver- L
vs Philly- L
@ Golden State- L
@ Phoenix- L
vs LA Lakers- L
vs Houston- L
vs Dallas- W
vs Memphis- L
vs New Orleans- W
@ San Antonio- L
@ Houston- L
@ Oklahoma City- L
vs LA Clippers- W

Sacramento could be a dangerous team. They don't win on the road, but they aren't awful at home. I have them going 4-11 to close out the season. I have them beating the Clippers because of a whole "Clippers rest starters as Sacramento possibly plays final home game in Sacramento" headline there. So they finish 27-55 (32.9%).

Ping Pong Balls:
1. Charlotte
2. Orlando
3. New Orleans
4. Detroit (tie)
5. Phoenix (tie)
6. Cleveland (tie)
7. Sacramento (tie)

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I was posting this same thing about a month ago lol when everyone was swearing we were finishing probably around 10th worse. I don't think anyone was looking at our schedule and how brutal it truly was. I wouldn't be surprised if we only won 1 more game if not 0. Don't think it'll be 0 but I wouldn't be shocked. The other teams we will be battling for the lotto spots play each other which is great for us cause 1 of them has to win. I was really hoping Washington wouldn't lose to dam Charlotte last night but they did. I def see us staying put at 3rd worse unless Orlando can win another 5-6 games which is very unlikely. Still tho at 3rd worse we are positioned very nicely for the lotto.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

You really think Noel?

I can't see this happening.
Noel will need another 2-3 years to fill out at the C position and Davis is supposed to play at that spot.
This team doesn't need two lanky guy's fighting for the one position.

Unless of course they have gone back on what they fisrt thought and are going to play Davis at the 4.
But why did they pay to get Anderson?

Either way I'd be very happy with BPA.

But I am hoping the Pelicans pick in this order:

1. Ben Mclemore
2. Marcus Smart
3. Shabazz Muhammad
4. Otto Porter
5. Victor Oladipo
6. Trey Burke
7. Nerlens Noel
8. Alex Len
9. Cj McCollum
10. Anthony Bennette

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If I would have seen this post a page back I could have saved 5 min of my life from posting my last long post. This sums up what I said. Exactly how I feel and I think this is how hornets fo is as well.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

U guys are mistaken big time. Demps is not drafting Noel before smart,porter or shabazz I bet on it. You can probably throw in oladipo and maybe even Len. The knee problems with Gordon is enough and they are not going to risk being set back another 3 years by drafting a high risk guy like Noel. I don't think some of u guys truly understand how important this draft is for Monty and dell for job security. Drafting noel that's coming off a torn acl is too risky and we don't need another lanky shot blocker who's skinnier than Davis. If they draft that kid and he has knee problems and can't contribute for another 2-3 years because of it then I can guarantee u they r both fired. We have a much more glaring need at pg and sf. Lopez is serviceable at the c position for next year unless they trade him n gv for another center. Our biggest needs is not the center position. Noel is not even a friggin center in the nba. If people r questioning Davis at the 5 what makes anyone think this kid will be one?? If I was a gambling man I'd bet my house that demps does not draft Noel before mclemore,smart,porter for sure. I'd probably put shabazz and oladipo in there too. Too many question marks surrounding him.

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1. I think we all get your opinion on Noel :hihi:

2. Noel is not "lankier" or smaller than Davis. He's about 8 lbs. heavier already and plays much stronger.

Again I'm not advocating taking him, I'd rather Smart or Porter. But just saying.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

2 completely different players

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Yea Noel has no ability to score the ball than a dunk. Only difference. We def don't need that right now. We need OFFENSE PEOPLE!!!! :D

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Yea Noel has no ability to score the ball than a dunk. Only difference. We def don't need that right now. We need OFFENSE PEOPLE!!!! :D

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Hey man I agree with you. Look at my user text. ;)

Mclemore
Smart
Porter
Burke

Is what I want.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

1. I think we all get your opinion on Noel :hihi:

2. Noel is not "lankier" or smaller than Davis. He's about 8 lbs. heavier already and plays much stronger.

Again I'm not advocating taking him, I'd rather Smart or Porter. But just saying.

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I dont think he won't be any good or anything but I just think we have much bigger needs elsewhere. Yea 8lbs 0lbs who can tell the difference when a 270lb center is throwing u around like a rag doll underneath? Lol..coming off that acl to me just makes it that much more of a no. Now of course if none of those players r available then yea I think u go bpa.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Hey man I agree with you. Look at my user text. ;)

Mclemore
Smart
Porter
Burke

Is what I want.

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Yes them players are exactly what we need in that order also may I add. I'm completely on the same page as u.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Hey man I agree with you. Look at my user text. ;)

Mclemore
Smart
Porter
Burke

Is what I want.

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The more I watch Burke the more I want him too. I'm very excited to watch him play in the tourney and see if he can raise his stock. He is clutch.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

The more I watch Burke the more I want him too. I'm very excited to watch him play in the tourney and see if he can raise his stock. He is clutch.

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I just think rivers could have done the same thing as burke if he would have went back for his sophmore year like burke did, give rivers another year, i think u will be amazed next season.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I just think rivers could have done the same thing as burke if he would have went back for his sophmore year like burke did, give rivers another year, i think u will be amazed next season.

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I'm fine with that but it's hard to just limit my list to Porter and Bazz which is where it's at after Burke and Smart, unless you think Smart could work at SG if/when Gordon leaves.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I just think rivers could have done the same thing as burke if he would have went back for his sophmore year like burke did, give rivers another year, i think u will be amazed next season.

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I'm very high on rivers but he's has MANY little nagging injuries it seems. Always sumn man. Def impressed with his growth tho and I'm all for him being our man as a pg option also. I really think we are shooting for porter or bazz in this draft. It all depends on how high demps n Monty are on rivers and I think the draft will show that. If they draft smart them that doesn't bode well for the rivers starting pg combination.imo

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

I'm fine with that but it's hard to just limit my list to Porter and Bazz which is where it's at after Burke and Smart, unless you think Smart could work at SG if/when Gordon leaves.

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The highest players on my board personally in order are
Mclemore - if we draft him id have him at SG and trade Gordon
noel - keep gordon and try to land a stud SF in next years draft
Shabazz - play him at SF and keep gordon and sign al jefferson

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I'm very high on rivers but he's has MANY little nagging injuries it seems. Always sumn man. Def impressed with his growth tho and I'm all for him being our man as a pg option also. I really think we are shooting for porter or bazz in this draft. It all depends on how high demps n Monty are on rivers and I think the draft will show that. If they draft smart them that doesn't bode well for the rivers starting pg combination.imo

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Well rivers was never known to be injury prone and i dont think he is, i think he was just playing too hard and out to prove something, when he puts a little size on his wont get pushed around like a 10 year old anymore.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Hey man I agree with you. Look at my user text. ;)

Mclemore
Smart
Porter
Burke

Is what I want.

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That's my top 4 also, followed by Shabazz and Bennett. This team needs a scorer in the worst way.

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

That's my top 4 also, followed by Shabazz and Bennett. This team needs a scorer in the worst way.

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ya i think we need a 2 way prospect, our offense and defense both need help, people like burke, smart, bazz and porter both have the potential to be elite both ways.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I'm very high on rivers but he's has MANY little nagging injuries it seems. Always sumn man. Def impressed with his growth tho and I'm all for him being our man as a pg option also. I really think we are shooting for porter or bazz in this draft. It all depends on how high demps n Monty are on rivers and I think the draft will show that. If they draft smart them that doesn't bode well for the rivers starting pg combination.imo

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A twisted ankle and freak broken hand are far from nagging injuries.

If Demps and Monty think Noel is BPA they will take him, PERIOD. People assuming we wouldn't because of his injury and Gordon's injury (which are completely unrelated) are mistaken.

I kinda hope it isn't part of our fortune to even be in a position to take Noel.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I kinda hope it isn't part of our fortune to even be in a position to take Noel.

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So you dont wanna be picking top 3?

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

So you dont wanna be picking top 3?

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he means he doesnt want us in position where we can take him because he doesnt want us to take him, im sure he wants the best pick available he just hopes noel isnt the pick.

Really our biggest need is a defensive SF that can shoot 3's. that's why I'm not fired up about Bazz cause he all offense but porter is good on both sides. I'm not saying he's going to be all all pro but I think he'll be perfect for us with the team we have. I'm pulling for porter and getting granger from the pacers hopefully cheap so they get out from his contract.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

Really our biggest need is a defensive SF that can shoot 3's. that's why I'm not fired up about Bazz cause he all offense but porter is good on both sides. I'm not saying he's going to be all all pro but I think he'll be perfect for us with the team we have. I'm pulling for porter and getting granger from the pacers hopefully cheap so they get out from his contract.

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Getting Porter and Granger in one off season sounds like a dream, Where do I sign? :D

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

A twisted ankle and freak broken hand are far from nagging injuries.

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U must be misunderstanding what I mean. All I'm trying to say is he was always having little nagging injuries left n right always being something. By nagging I mean small stupid injuries. Did he not??

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

Really our biggest need is a defensive SF that can shoot 3's. that's why I'm not fired up about Bazz cause he all offense but porter is good on both sides. I'm not saying he's going to be all all pro but I think he'll be perfect for us with the team we have. I'm pulling for porter and getting granger from the pacers hopefully cheap so they get out from his contract.

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i think bazz is a better defender than people give him credit for, he is only 18, ive seen flashes of him being a very good defender, with a defensive coach he would be a great 2 way prospect

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

U must be misunderstanding what I mean. All I'm trying to say is he was always having little nagging injuries left n right always being something. By nagging I mean small stupid injuries. Did he not??

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ya he does but they arent genetic injuries or reoccuring, davis also has a ton of little nagging injuries, they are both kids and will get stronger, they r just getting banged up by men. no homo.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

U must be misunderstanding what I mean. All I'm trying to say is he was always having little nagging injuries left n right always being something. By nagging I mean small stupid injuries. Did he not??

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I guess I get what you're saying but what I'm saying is that they WERE all small and unrelated. Nothing to be overly concerned about imo.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

If Demps and Monty think Noel is BPA they will take him, PERIOD. People assuming we wouldn't because of his injury and Gordon's injury (which are completely unrelated) are mistaken.

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I can guarantee u that the hornets fo has at least 3-4 players they will draft ahead of Noel. That's what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

I guess I get what you're saying but what I'm saying is that they WERE all small and unrelated. Nothing to be overly concerned about imo.

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Exactly. Maybe i made it sound a certain way.i wasn't trying to say he's injury prone I was just trying to point out it seemed like he kept getting small dumb injuries. Maybe I shouldn't of used nagging since it mainly means the same injury over n over. Just was using it As small stupid pain in the azz injuries. Lol

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I can guarantee u that the hornets fo has at least 3-4 players they will draft ahead of Noel. That's what I'm saying.

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im guessing those guys are mclemore, smart, bazz and burke?

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

If Demps and Monty think Noel is BPA they will take him, PERIOD. People assuming we wouldn't because of his injury and Gordon's injury (which are completely unrelated) are mistaken.

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Also if u think him tearing his acl which is a VERY BIG DEAL doesn't factor into demps n montys evaluation of him u are mistaken. Considering our max guy is hampered with a knee injury that wasn't even a torn acl and what it has put us through up til this point thus far will def be taken into consideration. I'm not making it as simple as oh Gordon has knee injury n it's totally screwed us up so far then we def cant draft Noel cuz of his knee. But if u think it doesn't come into play at some point again u r mistaken. A torn acl on a basketball player is a VERY BIG DEAL.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

im guessing those guys are mclemore, smart, bazz and burke?

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Porter also...I have porter ahead of Burke but its close

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Porter also...I have porter ahead of Burke but its close

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oops cant believe i forgot him, doh!

i just want mclemore, we get an elite SG and can dump gordons stupid max contract

As Far as bpa goes. If the bpa is a franchise type of guy. A cant miss prospect or a future all star. The by all means no matter of needs u take him. Sorry but noel does not fit the bill. Factor in the torn acl and he def does not fit the bill. U don't go bpa when the margin is slim to none. I don't even see how Noel is bpa anyway over mclemore,smart,porter,bazz or Burke. Not only is the bpa argument all very close to even with these guys except mclemore of course but these guys have healthy knees.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

i just want mclemore, we get an elite SG and can dump gordons stupid max contract

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The kid has alot to show me in Tourney time. I was his biggest fan beginning of the season, but his lack of killer instinct has worried me. I'm rooting for him though.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

The kid has alot to show me in Tourney time. I was his biggest fan beginning of the season, but his lack of killer instinct has worried me. I'm rooting for him though.

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ya he does defer to teammates a lot. if he had bazz's killer mentality he would be unstopable.

I don't think Burke is a top 5 prospect. Just my opinion. For now I would prefer McLemore, Noel, Smart, Bennett, Porter, and Shabazz more than him. And right now Oladipo is a better player and only a few months older even though Burke was much better as a sophomore compared to Oladipo.

It annoys me when people say Burke is really quick. He's not.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I don't think Burke is a top 5 prospect. Just my opinion. For now I would prefer McLemore, Noel, Smart, Bennett, Porter, and Shabazz more than him. And right now Oladipo is a better player and only a few months younger even though Burke was much better as a sophomore compared to Oladipo.

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oladipo is younger than burke?

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

It annoys me when people say Burke is really quick. He's not.

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His team has fallen apart too lately and if they get upset in the first round, that may hurt his stock. Especially if Nate Wolters has a big game and lights him up.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

oladipo is younger than burke?

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No Burke is a few months younger. Typo on my part.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

No Burke is a few months younger. Typo on my part.

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ok, i know mclemore is 20 because he is a redshirt freshmen, do u know how old smart, bazz, porter and oladipo are?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

ok, i know mclemore is 20 because he is a redshirt freshmen, do u know how old smart, bazz, porter and oladipo are?

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Not top of my head tho Smart and Bazz are the youngest I believe.

oladipo - 20 - will be 21 in may
smart - 19 - just turned 19 last week
porter - 19 - turns 20 in june
shabazz - 19 - doesnt turn 20 til november
noel - 18 - about to turn 19 in april
mclemore - 21 - holy cow he is older than oladipo
burke - 20 - wont turn 21 until november
Bennett - 20 - just turned 20, 4 days ago