MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT, Scott fired, Bower H/C, Floyd new asst...{merged}

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Originally Posted by HORNETSFAN

What a complete JOKE this organization is! Bower as head coach? Floyd, who failed before, coming back? Absolute JOKE! Shinn should be ashamed to call himself an NBA owner as this is transparent as it comes. He does not want to spend money for a real coach, so he puts Bower (his perpetual "yes man") in charge and hires a reject like Floyd to come in and actually do the "coaching" without giving him the head coaching pay or title because of how ridiculous it would look to bring him back. However, Tim embarrassed himself in college and now would take any role given to him. Wow!

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Shinn has got to sell the team to Chouest.

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Originally Posted by Oh! Captain

I remember suggesting trading West 2 years ago for Josh Smith and Acie Law and I was maligned by everyone on this board.

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i doubt you've only had 22 posts in two years, what was your old s\n?

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Originally Posted by Harvey Hornet

This paves the way for Chris' eventual departure. He has zero faith in this organization's basketball operations. What a mess. This was a total fail.

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eventual departure? doesn't everything come to an end?

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Originally Posted by Oh! Captain

I remember suggesting trading West 2 years ago for Josh Smith and Acie Law and I was maligned by everyone on this board.

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I don't remember you suggesting that, especially since your first post was 11/6/09, unless you've been banned before and came back? And I would have applauded that move for Josh Smith then and today.

He, once again, demonstrated his crazy ways. The dude couldn't spell the word evaluate.

When a coach believes a player (he was very familiar with) is his best option at SG; How does he go to the inactive the list the next day?

When a coach doesn't believe a player (he was very familiar with) deserves a minute in the first games; How does he get tabbed as a starter within a day?

JuJu was a starter. next thing you know, posey is playing in the fourth with collison and thorton. I know he made a mistake, but it he wont pull his boys devin, posey and west for anything. And we need rebounding

The year we lost to the Spurs in a tight game 7, Scott:
didn't play Rasual Butler a minute (although he was our best SG the next year and was valued by Pat Riley previously).
Hence; we absorb Bonzi Wells, Mike Jame's contract because we only had one capable SG- and he was a PG! (Pargo)

We also had Chris Anderson. I know about the drug thing; but Denver was just a few months later. With Chris Anderson and Rasual Butler playing that year I believe we beat SA.

Posey puts his arms around him during time-outs
Devin is his golf buddy

PLUS he wants to be a Laker. He should be thankful he had had a HOF PG throughout his career.

I was a different poster here at the time.

I was also ridiculed for saying signing Posey to a long term contract.

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Originally Posted by Oh! Captain

I remember suggesting trading West 2 years ago for Josh Smith and Acie Law and I was maligned by everyone on this board.

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Is it me or is the entire board against you? Maybe you should get fired, too.

You're TBS Very Funny

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

He, once again, demonstrated his crazy ways. The dude couldn't spell the word evaluate.

When a coach believes a player (he was very familiar with) is his best option at SG; How does he go to the inactive the list the next day?

When a coach doesn't believe a player (he was very familiar with) deserves a minute in the first games; How does he get tabbed as a starter within a day?

JuJu was a starter. next thing you know, posey is playing in the fourth with collison and thorton. I know he made a mistake, but it he wont pull his boys devin, posey and west for anything. And we need rebounding

The year we lost to the Spurs in a tight game 7, Scott:
didn't play Rasual Butler a minute (although he was our best SG the next year and was valued by Pat Riley previously).
Hence; we absorb Bonzi Wells, Mike Jame's contract because we only had one capable SG- and he was a PG! (Pargo)

We also had Chris Anderson. I know about the drug thing; but Denver was just a few months later. With Chris Anderson and Rasual Butler playing that year I believe we beat SA.

Posey puts his arms around him during time-outs
Devin is his golf buddy

PLUS he wants to be a Laker. He should be thankful he had had a HOF PG throughout his career.

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TWICE! At that

top coaching candidates

1. jvg
2. tom thibidoux
3. jeff horneckeck.

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Originally Posted by Harvey Hornet

Magloire grew as a player and learned his trade under Brian Hill...before Floyd took over. Floyd inherited a good situation with Magloire.

As far as the "real basketball minds" go....why is it that the rest of the NBA thinks he's a joke? There is a difference between being a basketball guy and an NBA basketball guy.

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First, I think Byron was a scapegoat. Second, the players in the NBA think he is a joke because of that fraternity. Coaches do not think that especially X and O guys and not the former players. Third, I agree Floyd could never be a head coach again because of my second point. However, he is a great technician and that is why I believe Bower brought him back as his first assistant. I think that role can work because of guys like Chris Paul and because Bower is still GM. I'm not saying this is the answer, far from it but I think you will see alot more creativity in the game planning and more effort on game night. I also believe Floyd can help improve the defense, he's well known in coaching circles for that. We have 3 All-Stars on this roster if they can get a spark we might all be surprised. Now, If there is a player revolt comming over Byron, all bets are off but I don't think these guys will do that.

Harvey, I repect your insight and info but you are wrong about what coaches think of him. I have a foot in the coaches circle and I know what his rep is. Think about it, Bower knows what the public perception of him is, but I think he is willing to risk the negative feedback because he knows who the real guy is.

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Originally Posted by jmaninc68

i doubt you've only had 22 posts in two years, what was your old s\n?

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My money is on he's the guy that started the thread about PJ Brown being dead a few years ago

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Originally Posted by Sneakerhead

Is it me or is the entire board against you? Maybe you should get fired, too.

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haha :hihi:

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Originally Posted by metalzo

Sure but does it really matter? He's an assistant coach. His job is basically to tutor the young players no? Maybe he'll have a hand in game management but I honestly think he might be ok in an assistant capacity which has way more in common with the college game where he has excelled. Also he can't be much worse than our current assistants right?

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I'm glad someone brought this up before I did. I don't think Floyd is bad as an assistant (should have been how he started his pro career). I am almost certain (IMHO) that Bower will let him develop the plays to keep the Princeton O around. Not having to deal witht he personalities as a HC may actually benefit Tim.

JMHO though.

I would love Tom Thibodeau to coach here. This team needs a good defensive minded coach

One of the listed comments on the timeline on nola.com is Bower saying that he is not an interim coach. He is the head coach. No job search for the head coaching position will be conducted. He also will remain as General Manager.

Scary, if you ask me.

davehornet.

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

He, once again, demonstrated his crazy ways. The dude couldn't spell the word evaluate.

When a coach believes a player (he was very familiar with) is his best option at SG; How does he go to the inactive the list the next day?

When a coach doesn't believe a player (he was very familiar with) deserves a minute in the first games; How does he get tabbed as a starter within a day?

JuJu was a starter. next thing you know, posey is playing in the fourth with collison and thorton. I know he made a mistake, but it he wont pull his boys devin, posey and west for anything. And we need rebounding

The year we lost to the Spurs in a tight game 7, Scott:
didn't play Rasual Butler a minute (although he was our best SG the next year and was valued by Pat Riley previously).
Hence; we absorb Bonzi Wells, Mike Jame's contract because we only had one capable SG- and he was a PG! (Pargo)

We also had Chris Anderson. I know about the drug thing; but Denver was just a few months later. With Chris Anderson and Rasual Butler playing that year I believe we beat SA.

Posey puts his arms around him during time-outs
Devin is his golf buddy

PLUS he wants to be a Laker. He should be thankful he had had a HOF PG throughout his career.

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"Yes!" as Albert says! Bass too! Couldn't get more than 5 minutes a game! Scott seemed reluctant to take any chances on the court too, his teams played liked they were handcuffed by him.

This is ridiculous. I wanted Byron to be dismissed but this is a mess. GET A REAL COACH! Not Bower and Floyd.

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Originally Posted by davehornet

One of the listed comments on the timeline on nola.com is Bower saying that he is not an interim coach. He is the head coach. No job search for the head coaching position will be conducted. He also will remain as General Manager.

Scary, if you ask me.

davehornet.

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they are not looking for a coach this year

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Originally Posted by davehornet

One of the listed comments on the timeline on nola.com is Bower saying that he is not an interim coach. He is the head coach. No job search for the head coaching position will be conducted. He also will remain as General Manager.

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Doesn't mean he believes it or that it's true.

wow, so bower can screw us as a gm and as the coach? thanks man.

get Tom Thibodeau on the bench and jeff horneckeck on his bench and this team could be gold.

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

He, once again, demonstrated his crazy ways. The dude couldn't spell the word evaluate.

When a coach believes a player (he was very familiar with) is his best option at SG; How does he go to the inactive the list the next day?

When a coach doesn't believe a player (he was very familiar with) deserves a minute in the first games; How does he get tabbed as a starter within a day?

JuJu was a starter. next thing you know, posey is playing in the fourth with collison and thorton. I know he made a mistake, but it he wont pull his boys devin, posey and west for anything. And we need rebounding

The year we lost to the Spurs in a tight game 7, Scott:
didn't play Rasual Butler a minute (although he was our best SG the next year and was valued by Pat Riley previously).
Hence; we absorb Bonzi Wells, Mike Jame's contract because we only had one capable SG- and he was a PG! (Pargo)

We also had Chris Anderson. I know about the drug thing; but Denver was just a few months later. With Chris Anderson and Rasual Butler playing that year I believe we beat SA.

Posey puts his arms around him during time-outs
Devin is his golf buddy

PLUS he wants to be a Laker. He should be thankful he had had a HOF PG throughout his career.

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Agree with everything you said, and this season was going to suck regardless of who the Head Coach was so firing Scott was inevitable.

Time to trade West for whatever we can (hopefully packaging Poz with him). Suck this year. Get a lottery pick, sign someone, trade expiring(s)...and rebuild.

That said, I just don't know if I have trust in the front office to get this ship righted...

Also, I think its hilarious that HH is now KILLING the front office's moves when just months ago it was "its always a process" "gotta balance everything" "yall dont understand" "we thought Poz was the missing piece" "gotta take two steps back to move forward now"

HH, I appreciate everything you do around here. Always asking for quality, and always bringing it. But sometimes your "smugness" to other posters is a little overbearing....

Lottery pick, here we come! :happy2:
Maybe with a decent lottery pick and new coach for the 2010-2011 season, things may not be as bleak.

davehornet.

just keep Floyd away from the Casino and the libations, and he will be OK. My question, is, did we fire one of the assitants?

If CP3 is mad that Scott is gone, and really thinks Scott could turn this team around, then he's delusional. Which probably means there is no way to keep him happy anyway. What should they have done? Keep Scott to make CP3 happy? Keep losing, and then have CP3 leave when contract is up anyway.

CP3 is no Baron Davis. He will play the role of the earnest soldier. He will say the right things and play hard. Making moves now actually gives them a chance to put a team around him before the contract runs out. He may not like it, but they have a better chance to keep him.

I don't blame him for having little faith in the b-ball ops. But that was not a problem when they won 56 games. Winning is the only cure. Winning was not happening with Scott.

The Hornets overspent to bring in Peja -- which was necessary at the time (although who knows if they could have offered him a 4 year deal and still got him?). Then, they thought they were close, and they forgot they were a small market team, plus Scott only wants to play grizzled veterans and they got into cap purgatory with a bunch of old overpaid role players. This needs to be the first step toward rebuilding on the fly and becoming a more disciplined small market team -- a la the Spurs. But what I do not see is the commitment to beefing up scouting and coaching depth so they can uncover and develop the Manu's and George Hill's of the second round and beyond. That ain't just luck Mr. Shinn and sons.

I still don't see reason to panic. We have the talent. If you watch these games, we lose because no one tries on defense and when brown or peja touch the ball they just jack it up. These are problems that are fixed through coaching. A coach can bring back intensity and defense. Why do we rebuild? To get a team that will be even worse eventually?

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Originally Posted by Big Fan

If CP3 is mad that Scott is gone, and really thinks Scott could turn this team around, then he's delusional. Which probably means there is no way to keep him happy anyway. What should they have done? Keep Scott to make CP3 happy? Keep losing, and then have CP3 leave when contract is up anyway.

CP3 is no Baron Davis. He will play the role of the earnest soldier. He will say the right things and play hard. Making moves now actually gives them a chance to put a team around him before the contract runs out. He may not like it, but they have a better chance to keep him.

I don't blame him for having little faith in the b-ball ops. But that was not a problem when they won 56 games. Winning is the only cure. Winning was not happening with Scott.

The Hornets overspent to bring in Peja -- which was necessary at the time (although who knows if they could have offered him a 4 year deal and still got him?). Then, they thought they were close, and they forgot they were a small market team, plus Scott only wants to play grizzled veterans and they got into cap purgatory with a bunch of old overpaid role players. This needs to be the first step toward rebuilding on the fly and becoming a more disciplined small market team -- a la the Spurs. But what I do not see is the commitment to beefing up scouting and coaching depth so they can uncover and develop the Manu's and George Hill's of the second round and beyond. That ain't just luck Mr. Shinn and sons.

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Good post Big Fan.

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Originally Posted by Oh! Captain

Okafor isn't a right fit for this team

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With this statement, something tells me you stay at a Motel 6 instead of Holiday Inn Express last night. :shakehd:

Please think before you post. Better yet, don't post.

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Originally Posted by Big Fan

If CP3 is mad that Scott is gone

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I seriously doubt this happened without Paul's approval. While I don't see him getting excited over Bower and Floyd, he ain't crying over Scott.

nola.com has updates from the press conference. David west is talking now. Yall should check it out.

if this has been posted else where, my bad.

So...saying that we head to the lottery what player could we potentially get a hold of? Anyone look into that yet?

friday night just got a whole lot interesting

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Originally Posted by chubbs91

nola.com has updates from the press conference. David west is talking now. Yall should check it out.

if this has been posted else where, my bad.

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a link to the updates on the firing:

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ss...11/post_5.html

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Originally Posted by chubbs91

nola.com has updates from the press conference. David west is talking now. Yall should check it out.

if this has been posted else where, my bad.

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very telling:

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ss...11/post_5.html
2:18 p.m.: West says having played for Floyd before, the team will not be as "predictable" as it had been.

2:14 p.m.: West describes "philosophical differences" between Scott and some players on the team. He describes the team as often "stagnant."

2:12 p.m.: West: "I think we got to the point to where things we were doing just weren't effective."

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Originally Posted by Big Fan

If CP3 is mad that Scott is gone, and really thinks Scott could turn this team around, then he's delusional. Which probably means there is no way to keep him happy anyway. What should they have done? Keep Scott to make CP3 happy? Keep losing, and then have CP3 leave when contract is up anyway.

CP3 is no Baron Davis. He will play the role of the earnest soldier. He will say the right things and play hard. Making moves now actually gives them a chance to put a team around him before the contract runs out. He may not like it, but they have a better chance to keep him.

I don't blame him for having little faith in the b-ball ops. But that was not a problem when they won 56 games. Winning is the only cure. Winning was not happening with Scott.

The Hornets overspent to bring in Peja -- which was necessary at the time (although who knows if they could have offered him a 4 year deal and still got him?). Then, they thought they were close, and they forgot they were a small market team, plus Scott only wants to play grizzled veterans and they got into cap purgatory with a bunch of old overpaid role players. This needs to be the first step toward rebuilding on the fly and becoming a more disciplined small market team -- a la the Spurs. But what I do not see is the commitment to beefing up scouting and coaching depth so they can uncover and develop the Manu's and George Hill's of the second round and beyond. That ain't just luck Mr. Shinn and sons.

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Another good post.

"Chris Paul had a prior commitment and wont be available for comment until friday"

Simple:

West isn't getting enough shots.
Okafor isn't getting enough looks.
Peja is getting too many looks
Devin Brown and Bobby Brown shoot everytime they touch the ball.
When we were #2 in the West we loved the fast break, this is why Julian needs to start, he is an excellent wing to run the fast break opposed to what we have. Thornton could also be good running the break.
Play the rookies more.
Diogu needs to come back soon.
And the BIG PROBLEM. NO DEFENSE!!!!!! NO ONE MOVES. CONDITION THEM BETTER AT PRACTICE. SIMPLE.

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Originally Posted by say-what

very telling:

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ss...11/post_5.html
2:18 p.m.: West says having played for Floyd before, the team will not be as "predictable" as it had been.

2:14 p.m.: West describes "philosophical differences" between Scott and some players on the team. He describes the team as often "stagnant."

2:12 p.m.: West: "I think we got to the point to where things we were doing just weren't effective."

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BOOM!

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Originally Posted by GrandAdmiral

With this statement, something tells me you stay at a Motel 6 instead of Holiday Inn Express last night. :shakehd:

Please think before you post. Better yet, don't post.

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i agree!

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Originally Posted by say-what

very telling:

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ss...11/post_5.html
2:18 p.m.: West says having played for Floyd before, the team will not be as "predictable" as it had been.

2:14 p.m.: West describes "philosophical differences" between Scott and some players on the team. He describes the team as often "stagnant."

2:12 p.m.: West: "I think we got to the point to where things we were doing just weren't effective."

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Wow I've been keeping quiet trying to digest all this, but reading this is pretty shocking. Maybe Scott really did lose control of the team, atleast West anyway.

Well I don't like this:

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1:57 p.m.: Weber: "We're not in a rebuilding mode."

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But that could be a ploy so that teams don't think we're in fire sale mode and give us crap value on trades. I hope it is. I really hope Bower doesn't make some stupid trade at the deadline to get a few more wins this season like acquiring Stephen Jackson....

I said in an earlier post in this thread that the team was stale and stagnant. D West took the words from my fingers!!!

All you had to do is watch the games. The team was disinterested.

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Originally Posted by chubbs91

"Chris Paul had a prior commitment and wont be available for comment until friday"

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I think this is good. Don't say anything right now. You know people are just waiting to throw extra words in his mouth.

DWest needs to chill and start playing better basketball. Mr. Allstar needs to look at his production and see that he got the coach fired. Maybe he's happy to have the coach back that drafted him in the first place. Timmy "Worst Coach in Nba History" Floyd.

CP3 I hope you defect like BD and Mashburn. This team has no direction or vision. For years I said this team has lack a true scouting department and now we feel the effect of an older team and no developing of younger players. We can blame BS and he deserve some blame but Bower also played a part in this whole drama. I agree with BS being fired but I also think Bower should be packing also.

I cannot wait for Fridays game..I see the light at the end of the tunnel...i really do

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

I think this is good. Don't say anything right now. You know people are just waiting to throw extra words in his mouth.

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Paul's brother didn't wait to chime in....

http://twitter.com/cjpaul14/status/5657730109
Today has not been a good day. The Team let go of Coach Scott which I think was a very good coach.He's the only NBA coach my bro has known.

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Originally Posted by say-what

Paul's brother didn't wait to chime in....

http://twitter.com/cjpaul14/status/5657730109
Today has not been a good day. The Team let go of Coach Scott which I think was a very good coach.He's the only NBA coach my bro has known.

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Not sure what i think of C.J. It seems like he is living his life through his brother.