AD trade scenarios...

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

That's the key. Thus far he has spoken like someone that is not intending on engaging.

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He is engaging by not engaging. All part of the game.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

That's the key. Thus far he has spoken like someone that is not intending on engaging.

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True. But a lot folks around the league believed the Pelicans would blow it all up and Jrue would be traded right after AD. Whatever Griff's intentions, it makes complete sense to say he's not trading Jrue for the same reasons it makes sense to say he wants AD to stay and will consider keeping him to play next to Zion. It could be all about leverage. Jrue's price is higher if you say he's a cornerstone of the franchise and you don't intend to move him. That's not going to stop GM's from calling Griff and making offers.

OR... Griff really has no intention of ever trading Jrue Holiday, even though he can opt out in 2 years and become a free agent.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

OR... Griff really has no intention of ever trading Jrue Holiday, even though he can opt out in 2 years and become a free agent.

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Do you actually think that's a big deal?

r/lakers
HAKERS
u/RDAmbition 3m
1
Latest AD News: Chicago has stepped
up as the potential third team. Kuzma
is involved in the trade, Ingram is
NOT.
NBA
Lakers get: AD
Pelicans get: Lavine, #7, Lakers 2020 unprotected
1st,Kuzma and Hart
Bulls get: Lonzo, Solomon Hill and our #4 pick
This does NOT mean the trade is done, it's simply
the most recent offer being closely discussed.
Sorry for messed up format.

I think Ingram got to go if want another Max Slot. Leaving Ingram out simply the bare minimum. He's leaving next year anyway. Maybe we can flip Lavine for a Future 1st. Get Garland at 7th?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Im definitely a fan of Claxton, although I have him going late first round or maybe early second. Bunch of reasons for that: he's a little older, can't shoot the three, wasn't massively efficient inside, was kind of meh defensively a lot of the time. But there definitely is a lot to like. There's a confidence and a smoothness to his game, and he's a legitimate rim protector with decent hands for a big. If he falls to us in the second round, which I think is plausible, I'd be pretty happy to take him.

Can't speak too much on Thybulle. I haven't watched as much of him in detail as I should. His offense isn't very encouraging, especially given that he can't shoot, but his FT%age is encouraging. He's not a rebounder or a passer, which is a big shame, because his length is fantastic for his height and he has solid defensive instincts. He's not the team defender that his stats would imply, and I think that will limit him in the NBA, but he has a pretty strong ceiling as a late first round pick as a defensive specialist.

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The thing with Thybulle is his shot looks fine, he gets good elevation, and has a high release point. Giving his ft% and touch around the rim I would be suprised if he was not at least a league average shooter with the potential for more. On defense its really all about projection, he has not played in a man scheme since Romar left. However, he is incredibly disruptive and plays his ****** off. He is also a plus athlete. Since the finals ended I could easily seeing him being a Danny Green level piece.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Do you actually think that's a big deal?

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I think Jrue will opt out of his contract after the 20/21 season. He'll be 31 years old, and if the Pelicans aren't competing deep in the playoffs, I don't expect him to sign for anything less than a 4 yrs/near max. If he's going to take any sort of discount, it would be for a chance to play in the finals. He may love New Orleans, the organization, and his teammates, but he will likely be looking at his last big pay day and chance to make sure he's on a team that maximizes his ability to compete at the highest level for a championship. Everyone knows how competitive Jrue is. I think winning will be very important to him. More so than being a team leader.

Jrue is awesome. I don't want to trade Jrue, and even if it's for two more years only, he may have more value to us than what another team is willing to offer. But I think his value is at the highest it will be right now, because of supply and demand in the market and the number of years remaining on his deal.

I wouldn't shop Jrue Holiday, but I'd listen to calls. YES - I think it's a big deal that he has two years left on his deal. It's less of a deal if no one is offering you premium value.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

r/lakers
HAKERS
u/RDAmbition 3m
1
Latest AD News: Chicago has stepped
up as the potential third team. Kuzma
is involved in the trade, Ingram is
NOT.
NBA
Lakers get: AD
Pelicans get: Lavine, #7, Lakers 2020 unprotected
1st,Kuzma and Hart
Bulls get: Lonzo, Solomon Hill and our #4 pick
This does NOT mean the trade is done, it's simply
the most recent offer being closely discussed.
Sorry for messed up format.

I think Ingram got to go if want another Max Slot. Leaving Ingram out simply the bare minimum. He's leaving next year anyway. Maybe we can flip Lavine for a Future 1st. Get Garland at 7th?

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That's a winner in my eyes. Especially, when AD goes down for about 35 games that 2020 pick will be worth something. Also, getting Solo off the books washes away the stench that Demps left behind.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

r/lakers
HAKERS
u/RDAmbition 3m
1
Latest AD News: Chicago has stepped
up as the potential third team. Kuzma
is involved in the trade, Ingram is
NOT.
NBA
Lakers get: AD
Pelicans get: Lavine, #7, Lakers 2020 unprotected
1st,Kuzma and Hart
Bulls get: Lonzo, Solomon Hill and our #4 pick
This does NOT mean the trade is done, it's simply
the most recent offer being closely discussed.
Sorry for messed up format.

I think Ingram got to go if want another Max Slot. Leaving Ingram out simply the bare minimum. He's leaving next year anyway. Maybe we can flip Lavine for a Future 1st. Get Garland at 7th?

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I can't see Griff choosing Kuzma over Ingram. Honestly... Griff is getting played if he doesn't get both.

Posted by a "reddit insider" RDAmbition that seems to have some info...take it for what it is.

Posted byu/RDAmbition
21 minutes ago
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Latest AD News: Chicago has stepped up as the potential third team. Kuzma is involved in the trade, Ingram is NOT.
Lakers get: AD

Pelicans get: Lavine, #7, Lakers 2020 unprotected 1st,Kuzma and Hart

Bulls get: Lonzo, Solomon Hill and our #4 pick

This does NOT mean the trade is done, it’s simply the most recent offer being closely discussed.

Sorry for messed up format, I can only post on reddit via mobile since I don’t remember my password and have no email set up on it.

PS: wanted to post this on lakersground aswell but account is giving me errors so feel free to share this info on there aswell. Reddit/Lakers and Lakersground.net both places I want to inform fans

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comm...ped_up_as_the/

beat me to it lol

Probably just speculation. I cannot see Ingram not being in the deal if there is any truth to how much Griffin likes him.

well blood clot ingram is a little bit of a risk. If they can switch that #7 to #4 i kinda like it

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

well blood clot ingram is a little bit of a risk. If they can switch that #7 to #4 i kinda like it

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He's a huge risk, but reportedly Griffin loves him. Not sure how true that is, but that is the story.

If Ingram added, it is not completely terrible, although Lavine's contract is not pretty and he is very ball dominant.

Lavine is a pretty solid player. a 20 point a game guy, 45% FG, 80% FT, 38% 3PT, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, shoots about 5 FTs per game.

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

Posted by a "reddit insider" RDAmbition that seems to have some info...take it for what it is.

Posted byu/RDAmbition
21 minutes ago
2
Latest AD News: Chicago has stepped up as the potential third team. Kuzma is involved in the trade, Ingram is NOT.
Lakers get: AD

Pelicans get: Lavine, #7, Lakers 2020 unprotected 1st,Kuzma and Hart

Bulls get: Lonzo, Solomon Hill and our #4 pick

This does NOT mean the trade is done, it’s simply the most recent offer being closely discussed.

Sorry for messed up format, I can only post on reddit via mobile since I don’t remember my password and have no email set up on it.

PS: wanted to post this on lakersground aswell but account is giving me errors so feel free to share this info on there aswell. Reddit/Lakers and Lakersground.net both places I want to inform fans

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comm...ped_up_as_the/

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Doesn’t that violate the Stepien rule? Lakers would be giving up 4 this year, and their first next.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Probably just speculation. I cannot see Ingram not being in the deal if there is any truth to how much Griffin likes him.

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He's an expiring. So, we can get him in FA if we really want. Probably wont. Griffin valuing Ball and Kuz over him makes sense. More years at cheap rate.

I would counter back with:

CHI: #4, Ball, Hill
LAL: AD
Pels: #7, Lavine, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, 2020 unprotected #1, 2022 unprotected #1 and 2021 swap rights.

Still would not be blown away (mainly because I am not a fan of Lavine), but improves deal. I almost wonder if it would be better to cut Chicago out and keep Ball and the #4.

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Originally Posted by bogiesfedora

Doesn’t that violate the Stepien rule? Lakers would be giving up 4 this year, and their first next.

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Trade can't be official till July 1st. After the draft.

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Originally Posted by bogiesfedora

Doesn’t that violate the Stepien rule? Lakers would be giving up 4 this year, and their first next.

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As the trade would not be finalized until after the draft, the 2019 pick would already have been made and they would be trading the rights to the player, not the pick.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

He's an expiring. So, we can get him in FA if we really want. Probably wont. Griffin valuing Ball and Kuz over him makes sense. More years at cheap rate.

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He would be restricted and we would have bird rights if obtained in trade. In this supposed proposal, we would not be getting Ball.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Trade can't be official till July 1st. After the draft.

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Got it, Im not in love with Lavine he is literally one of the worst defenders in the NBA. He also lacks any semblance of basketball IQ. His ceiling at this point to me is a volume scorer off the bench. That player in theory is fine, but being the headliner in a trade package for a top 5 player in the NBA is lacking.

The LA Media is wild. I thought I was having a conversation with a Laker fan about them overvaluing their assets (by telling him “if they are so good Griff would have accepted them by now.”)And he demanded that I put forth a trade that would be better. Thing is there are better trades that are being offered it’s just that only the Lakers one is being leaked because the Lakers can’t keep their yaps shut. If I give him a random trade he will (presumably) fire back with either “that’s an impossible trade”, or “the Lakers trade is better”.

Anyway, feel free to get at ya boy, and give him your best offer.

https://twitter.com/run_the_baloney/...596546562?s=21

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

He would be restricted and we would have bird rights if obtained in trade. In this supposed proposal, we would not be getting Ball.

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So... You want to pull an Eric Gorden and potentially match $27 million a year max. Bold move. I don't think it's worth it.

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Originally Posted by bogiesfedora

Got it, Im not in love with Lavine he is literally one of the worst defenders in the NBA. He also lacks any semblance of basketball IQ. His ceiling at this point to me is a volume scorer off the bench. That player in theory is fine, but being the headliner in a trade package for a top 5 player in the NBA is lacking.

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I'd try to flip him to Boston at 14 if Boi Boi is still available, but 99% Danny wouldn't bite. .

Tatum, Smart, Brown14th pick, and Memphis 2020 pick to PELS is what we need!!!! Even if Kyrie leaves Boston it is probably still worth the risk for them.

Could/Should the PELS add anything to a Boston trade to make it easier for them to follow through?




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Originally Posted by Taker597

I'd try to flip him to Boston at 14 if Boi Boi is still available, but 99% Danny wouldn't bite. .

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I like the Boi Boi pick. Of course there is that potential foot issue but might be worth the gamble.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

The logic is that if you get drafted by the Lakers. They must be great. They're just young lol.

If the Lakers are willing to abandon their long term future and trying to win now. It doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in their assests.

They speak into existence something that is a complete farce.

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Isn’t Boston doing the same thing?

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Originally Posted by Taker597

So... You want to pull an Eric Gorden and potentially match $27 million a year max. Bold move. I don't think it's worth it.

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Yet, you think it is better to try and acquire him in free agency? Again, if our GM loves him, it makes sense for him to be included in the deal.

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

Posted by a "reddit insider" RDAmbition that seems to have some info...take it for what it is.

Posted byu/RDAmbition
21 minutes ago
2
Latest AD News: Chicago has stepped up as the potential third team. Kuzma is involved in the trade, Ingram is NOT.
Lakers get: AD

Pelicans get: Lavine, #7, Lakers 2020 unprotected 1st,Kuzma and Hart

Bulls get: Lonzo, Solomon Hill and our #4 pick

This does NOT mean the trade is done, it’s simply the most recent offer being closely discussed.

Sorry for messed up format, I can only post on reddit via mobile since I don’t remember my password and have no email set up on it.

PS: wanted to post this on lakersground aswell but account is giving me errors so feel free to share this info on there aswell. Reddit/Lakers and Lakersground.net both places I want to inform fans

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comm...ped_up_as_the/

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This is a solid trade. If Boston is out. I’d take it all day.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Yet, you think it is better to try and acquire him in free agency? Again, if our GM loves him, it makes sense for him to be included in the deal.

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I mean... If I had a choice between Ingram at max and someone like Brog in his prime at Max. I want Bro

The difference between getting a max player now and paying Ingram the max depends on the market, honestly.

If you feel we can get a better player now in FA vs. Paying Ingram in a year. Yet, If you feel Ingram is a better value. Cool beans. I just see more complete players at the same price tag in FA. If we free up a max spot. We should really consider our options.

We could play a long game and flip Ingram at the deadline, too.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I mean... If I had a choice between Ingram at max and someone like Brog in his prime at Max. I want Bro

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I am not a fan of Ingram either, but what matters is how Griffin and staff value him.

That Lakers/Bulls trade started on a Bulls site yesterday. Reddit guy probably just spat out something he read the day before because today had little updates. I would dig it IF Tatum is off the board.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

That Lakers/Bulls trade started on a Bulls site yesterday. Reddit guy probably just spat out something he read the day before because today had little updates. I would dig it IF Tatum is off the board.

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It's been leaked that Lakers are working for a 3 team trade with the Bulls..

Yeah. That's when the Bulls sites started spitting out deals. Most were very Bullsided. It's been soooo quiet. Not a peep. So I doubt a reddit user just happened upon a new leak. More likely it's a Laker fan who found that windy city article.

tbh I'm not sure why they are so in love with ingram. He averages about 15 PTS, 45% FG, 67% FT, 32% 3 PT ,.5 Block, 4 Rebounds a night guy, and to boot the blood clot which might be healed can still be an issue in the future. All in all he is a average stat guy with potential. It is really not that serious.

The PER on every asset we are discussing including Tatum and Brown were all underwhelming last season, TBH.

Edit: Lavine and Beal were the best looking but also least likely to come to fruition.

I think id just tell them all...look hook me up with some draft picks and keep your guys. You can figure out new players in FA for the next couple years. Lets go

So many medical experts, specializing in blood clots, on this board...

Who needs free healthcare when you have Pelicans Report!

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

So many medical experts, specializing in blood clots, on this board...

Who needs free healthcare when you have Pelicans Report!

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I'm actually a medical professional... So... I just stay out of it. The only 100% fact is that if catches a 2nd one. He most likely on blood thinners for life and can't ball..

Lakers fans have convinced themselves that Scoop B’s fake ****** trade with the bulls is now real because some dude who they think “has sources” posted it on reddit.

They really are special, man.

— Tyler (@TMDillo5) June 14, 2019

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

So many medical experts, specializing in blood clots, on this board...

Who needs free healthcare when you have Pelicans Report!

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Don't diss free healthcare, it's great.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I'm actually a medical professional... So... I just stay out of it. The only 100% fact is that if catches a 2nd one. He most likely on blood thinners for life and can't ball..

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Exactly, which is why he is referred to as a medical risk.

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

Lavine is a pretty solid player. a 20 point a game guy, 45% FG, 80% FT, 38% 3PT, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, shoots about 5 FTs per game.

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For some reason I thought Lavine was a bad 3pt shooter but he's a career 37% guy on 5 attempts a game. He's better than I thought he was overall.

Actually when you compare Lavine at 23 to Bradley Beal at 23 their numbers are pretty close, Beal slightly better shooting % while Lavine gives more rebounding and assists.

I feel like Lakers would still need to pony up at least another 1st especially if they are keeping Ingram but this moves the trade closer to feeling acceptable territory.

Yeah. MSUSOUSAPHONE'S WAFFLING OF THE DAY will be that I really like Lavine. Didn't know much about him but started spying once that article came out yeaterday. And I kinda dig that trade. Lavine AND the 7th pick plus no Hill and like you said....maybe an added 2020 1st. I'm sure my crush will be back to Tatum tomorrow, but this is my new fad.

What would be nice if chicago could throw in Justin Holiday. Jrue says he is nice with his brother.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

For some reason I thought Lavine was a bad 3pt shooter but he's a career 37% guy on 5 attempts a game. He's better than I thought he was overall.

Actually when you compare Lavine at 23 to Bradley Beal at 23 their numbers are pretty close, Beal slightly better shooting % while Lavine gives more rebounding and assists.

I feel like Lakers would still need to pony up at least another 1st especially if they are keeping Ingram but this moves the trade closer to feeling acceptable territory.

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Lavine issue is he lacks on defense but I tell you with the type of offense we run he might be a good fit.

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

Lavine issue is he lacks on defense but I tell you with the type of offense we run he might be a good fit.

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He would be fun to watch on offense, but terrible on defense. He also tends to turn the ball over a good bit for a guy who is not a primary ball handler. Not a huge fan.

Is Beal known for his defense? I assume neither are awesome on the defense but I don't know.