Pelicans to meet with Tyreke Evans (offer has been made)

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 35s

Chase Budinger has reached agreement on a three-year, $16 million deal to return to Minnesota, league source tells Y! Sports.

Budinger's gone. The chips start to fall.

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The Pelicans never had a chance with both Webster and Budinger. We weren't going to overpay for their services so anything reasonable would mean that they'd return to the teams they were quite happy with.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Personally, I think Dell is swinging for the fences here and even if it falls through, he knows he can get plenty of value around July 20th when the musical chairs stop. Remember how late in the game we got Lopez last season?

Tyreke can have all the time he wants, since he is the only big fish we want and/or can afford. If you can't get him, use that same money and load up on value contracts later.

Love the strategy

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I think Benson told Dell he would put up the money if we make this team exciting to watch. Let's face it. A Memphis Grizzlies grit and grind type of team isn't going to sell tickets in a city with a NFL franchise like the Saints who are arguably the most fun team to watch in the league with their fast pace offense. Makes sense and there is no doubt in my mind that ticket sales will skyrocket as long as they put on a show.

One of the small forwards in this tier will sign in three weeks for 1/2 the price these guys are getting and will perform as well or better.

I want THAT guy!

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

The Pelicans never had a chance with both Webster and Budinger. We weren't going to overpay for their services so anything reasonable would mean that they'd return to the teams they were quite happy with.

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Agreed! The one thing I'm happy with is that the value of this pack is (hopefully) going to continue to seep downward. Our room exception is looking viable for someone on the bottom of the pack.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

One of the small forwards in this tier will sign in three weeks for 1/2 the price these guys are getting and will perform as well or better.

I want THAT guy!

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*Thumbs-Up*

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

Mark Heisler ‏@MarkHeisler 11m

Don't worry if you're confused, #NBA GMs right w/you. Bidding fever sees Kings think about maxing out Iggy after #Pelicans offer Tyreke $44M

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Max for Iggy? That's gonna be a regret by year 2 or so, but they need his veteran leadership more than any other team in the league. Plus try need a SF. Pretty good fit, but terrible over pay.

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Max for Iggy? That's gonna be a regret by year 2 or so, but they need his veteran leadership more than any other team in the league. Plus try need a SF. Pretty good fit, but terrible over pay.

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I actually think Iggy would be great for that team. He's everything they need. They don't need him for his scoring abilities. They need him for his ability to defend, lead, and teach.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

I actually think Iggy would be great for that team. He's everything they need. They don't need him for his scoring abilities. They need him for his ability to defend, lead, and teach.

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Hell that's why I wanted him.

Definitely prefer Tyreke though, especially at a lower price.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

One of the small forwards in this tier will sign in three weeks for 1/2 the price these guys are getting and will perform as well or better.

I want THAT guy!

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All 30 teams would want THAT guy. I don't think any team signs a player thinking they could get someone for 1/2 the price later who would perform as well or better than the player they just signed. Unfortunately, they do not have a crystal ball.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

I actually think Iggy would be great for that team. He's everything they need. They don't need him for his scoring abilities. They need him for his ability to defend, lead, and teach.

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Agreed, that's why I said I like the fit, but the max for Iggy is gonna be real ugly by the middle of that contract.

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Max for Iggy? That's gonna be a regret by year 2 or so, but they need his veteran leadership more than any other team in the league. Plus try need a SF. Pretty good fit, but terrible over pay.

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If Dell met with Iggy and found his expectation to be a max deal, then I couldn't be happier with our contract to 'Reke. I just wonder where the Kings go from here, seems foolish to pay that kind of $ when they have no real shot at winning anytime soon. Definitely fits, but there aren't many pieces that wouldn't be an upgrade for them.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Read my points about saying the longer a player waits the less money he gets. This proves my point on that piece. If waiting = more money, then way did Budigner sign?

And sure, we lost out on a Chase Budinger but there's tons of other guys in his tier that are still out there. He was just one who didn't want to wait until the dominos fall. Personal preference. Now, can you prove or believe we had substantially more money on on the table?

Everyone agrees here that if Team A and Team b offer the same money, but team B offers it sooner without any string attached, then team b wins, right? We can agree to this right ?

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Does Dell run parallel negotiations? (I think he does and is upfront in the process)
Does the longer you wait on a player mean the player gets more money ? (I don't think this typically holds true)
Is waiting until 5 days before they can even sign outlandish? (I don't think so)
If player is offered substantially more money elsewhere but they want to see how the chips fall, does a player sign the cheaper deal because its on the table or do they wait? (I think they wait).

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No one is going to get into a bidding war for Budinger. Now off the market are him, Webster and soon Brewer and others, while we would be waiting if there were 'no rush' to determine what's going on.

Yes, the longer you wait the more likely the player is to get more money. That's what happens while you 'wait' with your offer on the table, they shop and it either goes higher or they take yours...it certainly doesn't go lower so higher is the only possibility.

I'm baffled at how you don't see this as arguing against yourself:

"If player is offered substantially more money elsewhere but they want to see how the chips fall, does a player sign the cheaper deal because its on the table or do they wait?"

Implying a player will wait to determine whether they can get more money from other teams before going back to the 'on the table' offer. In other words, driving the money higher or at worst staying the same.

"Does the longer you wait on a player mean the player gets more money ? (I don't think this typically holds true)"

...yet here you say that usually they don't get more money when your previous statement implies they either get more money or take the offer that's on the table (meaning it can only possibly go up)??

I'm curious as to when a player has waited and recieved less money. A player that was actually wanted. There are 30 teams, one player...players that are sought after get teams into bidding wars. That's how it works.

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

No one is going to get into a bidding war for Budinger. Now off the market are him, Webster and soon Brewer and others, while we would be waiting if there were 'no rush' to determine what's going on.

Yes, the longer you wait the more likely the player is to get more money. That's what happens while you 'wait' with your offer on the table, they shop and it either goes higher or they take yours...it certainly doesn't go lower so higher is the only possibility.

I'm baffled at how you don't see this as arguing against yourself:

"If player is offered substantially more money elsewhere but they want to see how the chips fall, does a player sign the cheaper deal because its on the table or do they wait?"

Implying a player will wait to determine whether they can get more money from other teams before going back to the 'on the table' offer. In other words, driving the money higher or at worst staying the same.

Does the longer you wait on a player mean the player gets more money ? (I don't think this typically holds true)

...yet here you say that usually they don't get more money??

I'm curious as to when a player has waited and recieved less money. A player that was actually wanted. There are 30 teams, one player...players that are sought after get teams into bidding wars. That's how it works.

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Let's just agree to disagree? No point in continuing this conversation. You've said what you've wanted to say, i've said what i've wanted to say. You think you're right, i think i'm right; nothing to be gained here.

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

If Dell met with Iggy and found his expectation to be a max deal, then I couldn't be happier with our contract to 'Reke. I just wonder where the Kings go from here, seems foolish to pay that kind of $ when they have no real shot at winning anytime soon. Definitely fits, but there aren't many pieces that wouldn't be an upgrade for them.

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There is no way the Kings max him out. I just think that was someone guessing.

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

Just to let you know they are getting ready to talk about the Pels on ESPN Around The Horn. I hope it is positive.

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What was the verdict?

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Originally Posted by The JNR

What was the verdict?

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Didn't watch but I'd imagine Tony asked about our potential signing of Evans and move in the draft and the panelists spent 2 seconds dismissing that before talking extensively about how awkward it is to say "Pelicans" and then a commercial break.

I've noticed Wilbon is not a fan of the team. He's talked about us needing to move or contract on more than one occasion.

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Originally Posted by The JNR

What was the verdict?

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Basically a 50/50 split if he's a good fit. MacMullan and Plaschke think the league is moving to 3 guard norm, and that he fits that role here. Paige/Gutierrez thinks hes still a good player, but think it's too much $ for a backup, even though they mentioned it's potentially for a Manu Ginobli-type role.

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Originally Posted by The JNR

I've noticed Wilbon is not a fan of the team. He's talked about us needing to move or contract on more than one occasion.

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Noticed this as well. He seems a little late to the party. He keeps talking about us moving even after we signed the lease.

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Originally Posted by The JNR

I've noticed Wilbon is not a fan of the team. He's talked about us needing to move or contract on more than one occasion.

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I find that most on ESPN don't really talk about much outside of their big 10 topics, they just spout off ignorance. We just got a new owner, rebranded, have probably the most promising young player in the game, an extremely young roster, great coach, new facility...yet we should be contracted...yeah ok, Wilbon.

They like Tiger, Lebron, A-Rod, The Heat, Yankees, Cowboys and Romo...whatever other drama is going on, currently Hernandez. Actual sports you are better off on the internet.

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

Didn't watch but I'd imagine Tony asked about our potential signing of Evans and move in the draft and the panelists spent 2 seconds dismissing that before talking extensively about how awkward it is to say "Pelicans" and then a commercial break.

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To be fair, they actually didn't make fun of the name at all.

Considering what ESPN has normally had to say about this franchise over the last few years... it was amazing how they just talked about our FA activity like we were just another team. It's a great problem to have. :hihi:

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

Good for you and think what you will, but yeah. If we are interested in Player X while we don't know what Evans will do and Player X wants money that will overlap with Evans' potential deal we tell him that. Then when another team offers the same or a little less, but it's actually on the table, Player X will take that 100% of the time. We lose when Evans waits and doesn't take our offer.

You're arguing that there's no rush on wanting to know if a guy is going to accept the second biggest chunk of money your team is paying? During FA period? That makes sense to you? Of course there is a rush.

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You are wrong. It doesn't happen 100% of the time.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

One of the small forwards in this tier will sign in three weeks for 1/2 the price these guys are getting and will perform as well or better.

I want THAT guy!

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me too!! :)

Updating a previous item, sources tell the Sacramento Bee that the Kings are considering matching Tyreke Evans' reported four-year, $44 million offer from the Pelicans.

http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

Updating a previous item, sources tell the Sacramento Bee that the Kings are considering matching Tyreke Evans' reported four-year, $44 million offer from the Pelicans.

http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball

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Smokescreen or legitimate consideration?