AD trade scenarios...

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

Jrue would not be smart to pass up an opportunity to lead a young up and coming nba team. it is really a once and a life chance possible. Although all signs say he is sticking around.

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I agree but some people don’t want added stress and just want to do what they do. It wouldn’t be far fetched for Jrue to feel that way given his personal life.


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It makes no sense to do a half way rebuild. It's literally the same rushed process that has us here yet again with another franchise player asking for a trade.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

It makes no sense to do a half way rebuild. It's literally the same rushed process that has us here yet again with another franchise player asking for a trade.

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Keeping a veteran leader is not a rush rebuild.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

It makes no sense to do a half way rebuild. It's literally the same rushed process that has us here yet again with another franchise player asking for a trade.

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Well, that's what David wants with shopping the 4th pick, but it could be an elaborate smoke screen to get Lakers to put up more assets.

Be like yeah... We tried shopping the 4th pick. It's worth nothing. We need a better deal with intentions of wanting to keep the pick anyway


If we don't get the let 3rd pick. I rather gamble the 4th pick on a high ceiling player.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Keeping a veteran leader is not a rush rebuild.

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I think he is speaking more specifically towards if we don’t bring in a big deal (Beal/Tatum) although I know he favors the long rebuild. In that case it does make sense to offload him.

Man.

The Clippers.

If Kawhi DID go to LAC (and who knows with that guy, he is capable of anything) it would make so much sense for them to package SGA and send him to us for AD. It's an awful move if they don't land Kawhi.

Ah well. The schedule is what it is.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Keeping a veteran leader is not a rush rebuild.

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Keeping a vet leader is probably the safest way to do a long term rebuild.

Coming into the NBA is a huge deal for young players. Sometimes they adjust instantly and dominate, a la LeBron James, but more often rookies take at least a couple of months to adjust to the league. That time period speeds up the better the situation they are put in. That doesn't necessarily mean winning, but it means having secure, veteran leaders with great work ethics and mature personalities to develop around, and a coach that's willing to let them make mistakes without punishing them.

As much as I dislike a lot of Gentry, I think he is at least a players coach, and Jrue is one of those secure, hard working veteran leaders.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I think he is speaking more specifically towards if we don’t bring in a big deal (Beal/Tatum) although I know he favors the long rebuild. In that case it does make sense to offload him.

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hopeful more superstar migration of talent to the East. West starting to look wide open.

Plus, we gonna need some healthy salary anyways

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Keeping a vet leader is probably the safest way to do a long term rebuild.

Coming into the NBA is a huge deal for young players. Sometimes they adjust instantly and dominate, a la LeBron James, but more often rookies take at least a couple of months to adjust to the league. That time period speeds up the better the situation they are put in. That doesn't necessarily mean winning, but it means having secure, veteran leaders with great work ethics and mature personalities to develop around, and a coach that's willing to let them make mistakes without punishing them.

As much as I dislike a lot of Gentry, I think he is at least a players coach, and Jrue is one of those secure, hard working veteran leaders.

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The quicker we promote Gentry to FO the better

I wouldn't have a problem with trading Jrue I feel we might as well gut the team down to the foundation and rebuild from there. We've already done that with the front office, so we might as well allow them to do it with the roster. We can get some real good assets form trading Jrue and AD.

Then again... I wouldn't mind him staying either. EIther way I'm cool with it as long as we get good returns from both trades.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

I wouldn't have a problem with trading Jrue I feel we might as well gut the team down to the foundation and rebuild from there. We've already done that with the front office, so we might as well allow them to do it with the roster. We can get some real good assets form trading Jrue and AD.

Then again... I wouldn't mind him staying either. EIther way I'm cool with it as long as we get good returns from both trades.

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Trading Jrue would really be a mistake. It's not he same as changing the FO.

Griff has changed the FO, and now it's made up of himself, a veteran GM, Aaron Nelson, a veteran trainer, Trajan Langdon, an experienced assistant GM, and Swin Cash, who also has executive experience at a WNBA level. It's a vet team, nobody is learning on the job

It's different for the players. Zion will be completely new to the NBA. Any other rookie we get, either with the 4th from LA, or the 14th from Boston, or the 3rd from NYC, they will also be completely new to the NBA. It can only help their development to have guidance.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Man.

The Clippers.

If Kawhi DID go to LAC (and who knows with that guy, he is capable of anything) it would make so much sense for them to package SGA and send him to us for AD. It's an awful move if they don't land Kawhi.

Ah well. The schedule is what it is.

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I think he built s house in same neighborhood as Davis

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Trading Jrue would really be a mistake. It's not he same as changing the FO.

Griff has changed the FO, and now it's made up of himself, a veteran GM, Aaron Nelson, a veteran trainer, Trajan Langdon, an experienced assistant GM, and Swin Cash, who also has executive experience at a WNBA level. It's a vet team, nobody is learning on the job

It's different for the players. Zion will be completely new to the NBA. Any other rookie we get, either with the 4th from LA, or the 14th from Boston, or the 3rd from NYC, they will also be completely new to the NBA. It can only help their development to have guidance.

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Let's take a break from Jrue stuff.

What’s your draft prospects ranking from 4-10?

I’ll play devil’s advocate here. Let’s say we trade Jrue for picks/assets/expirings. We shed some salary and we can go into free agency next year and take a risk on some promising players and/or vets. That way our team can still compete within the time frame and have flexibility later on. Sign them (if need be on inflated deals) for 3 years and have their salary come off the books as Zion enters his next contract. Either re sign or let go.

I’d only consider this if we went with a New Yorkish deal. If we can obtain some very good players, we should 100 percent keep Jrue. All very what iffy and I’m not sure about the FA class of next year.

KAWHI was named MVP of finals for second time tying LBJ and KAJ. Wouldn't it be something if he contacted the lakers and said: DG, MG, and I are coming over. Open your checkbook and LBJ and I will battle it out to make history

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

KAWHI was named MVP of finals for second time tying LBJ and KAJ. Wouldn't it be something if he contacted the lakers and said: DG, MG, and I are coming over. Open your checkbook and LBJ and I will battle it out to make history

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*inhales*

*Exhale*

Salary Cap. Kawhi is probably end up a Clip

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

KAWHI was named MVP of finals for second time tying LBJ and KAJ. Wouldn't it be something if he contacted the lakers and said: DG, MG, and I are coming over. Open your checkbook and LBJ and I will battle it out to make history

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Also GS is might look for a retool for one year till Durant & Klay return. Are they interested in the Davis sweepstakes now?

I can see why you'd want Jrue around. But if we go into the season with the significant pieces as young guys it should be a strong consideration to move him at the deadline or in a year if we like the maturity and progression of the young guys.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Let's take a break from Jrue stuff.

What’s your draft prospects ranking from 4-10?

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I will bite……….

1. Zion

2. Culver
3. Brandon Clarke
4. RJ Barrett

5. Coby White

6. Morant
7. Nickeil Alexander-Walker

8. PJ Washington
9. Grant Williams
10. Matisse Thybulle

Obviously spaces represent tiers.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Let's take a break from Jrue stuff.

What’s your draft prospects ranking from 4-10?

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Oh man, there are some very interesting prospects. This draft is interesting because with so few players that look like super stars, half the draft is making bets on potential and upside, and players with IQ and strength rather than skill.

Im on my phone right now so I can't really do a legit authentic comparison, but as far as my memory goes, I really like Jarrett Culver, Chuma Okeke, Jaxson Hayes, Brandon Clarke, Goga Bitadze, Kevin Porter Jr, PJ Washington, and Grant Williams. I think you could make a legit argument for any of those guys to go between 4 and 12, depending on what the teams needs are.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Oh man, there are some very interesting prospects. This draft is interesting because with so few players that look like super stars, half the draft is making bets on potential and upside, and players with IQ and strength rather than skill.

Im on my phone right now so I can't really do a legit authentic comparison, but as far as my memory goes, I really like Jarrett Culver, Chuma Okeke, Jaxson Hayes, Brandon Clarke, Goga Bitadze, Kevin Porter Jr, PJ Washington, and Grant Williams. I think you could make a legit argument for any of those guys to go between 4 and 12, depending on what the teams needs are.

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I know nothing on the Bitadze other than a few highlights. I do really like the potential of Porter Jr, and I would be surprised if Okeke is not at least a rotation player.

This is an unusual draft in that after the first 3 there will be a jumble of opinions on the next tiers from 4 all the way beyond the lottery, and not just from fans, but from the people doing the picking. A team at 12, 13 or 14 could be looking at the same level players as much earlier.

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Originally Posted by bogiesfedora

I know nothing on the Bitadze other than a few highlights. I do really like the potential of Porter Jr, and I would be surprised if Okeke is not at least a rotation player.

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Bitadze's only issue is that he can't shoot. He's a very capable passer, good rebounder, fantastic touch around the rim, and a sky high IQ. It's not the same cause he can't shoot, but he does give off some Jokic vibes.

Porter Jr is probably the third best pure athlete in the draft, after Zion and Clarke. He has his issues, no question, but his ceiling is pretty ridiculous.

Okeke's worry is his injury. He's a legit shooter, and a fantastic versatile defender. Smart passer. He's a shoe in for a 3&D starting wing, I think.

I could honestly talk about this draft all day

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Bitadze's only issue is that he can't shoot. He's a very capable passer, good rebounder, fantastic touch around the rim, and a sky high IQ. It's not the same cause he can't shoot, but he does give off some Jokic vibes.

Porter Jr is probably the third best pure athlete in the draft, after Zion and Clarke. He has his issues, no question, but his ceiling is pretty ridiculous.

Okeke's worry is his injury. He's a legit shooter, and a fantastic versatile defender. Smart passer. He's a shoe in for a 3&D starting wing, I think.

I could honestly talk about this draft all day

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What about Thybulle and Claxton? I remember watching Claxton when UGA played LSU, and thinking man there is a lot to like here.

Sekou Doumbouya is very intriguing.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Oh man, there are some very interesting prospects. This draft is interesting because with so few players that look like super stars, half the draft is making bets on potential and upside, and players with IQ and strength rather than skill.

Im on my phone right now so I can't really do a legit authentic comparison, but as far as my memory goes, I really like Jarrett Culver, Chuma Okeke, Jaxson Hayes, Brandon Clarke, Goga Bitadze, Kevin Porter Jr, PJ Washington, and Grant Williams. I think you could make a legit argument for any of those guys to go between 4 and 12, depending on what the teams needs are.

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I like Culver. I been zoning on Culver, and Garland lately and need to look at other prospects. I don't like the idea of trading 4th pick away for a player unless it includes a swap. I don't mind trading down with the 3rd pick for future picks. I would be all for packaging late round traded picks to get back in the late top 10.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Bitadze's only issue is that he can't shoot. He's a very capable passer, good rebounder, fantastic touch around the rim, and a sky high IQ. It's not the same cause he can't shoot, but he does give off some Jokic vibes.

Porter Jr is probably the third best pure athlete in the draft, after Zion and Clarke. He has his issues, no question, but his ceiling is pretty ridiculous.

Okeke's worry is his injury. He's a legit shooter, and a fantastic versatile defender. Smart passer. He's a shoe in for a 3&D starting wing, I think.

I could honestly talk about this draft all day

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It's a fun draft, because I know at least 2 players from 4-12 is gonna be great. Just don't know who lol

Maybe those ESPN guys got it confused. Maybe we are trying to get Justin Holiday?

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Originally Posted by donato

Sekou Doumbouya is very intriguing.

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That’s my guy, 7th on my big board

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Originally Posted by bogiesfedora

What about Thybulle and Claxton? I remember watching Claxton when UGA played LSU, and thinking man there is a lot to like here.

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Im definitely a fan of Claxton, although I have him going late first round or maybe early second. Bunch of reasons for that: he's a little older, can't shoot the three, wasn't massively efficient inside, was kind of meh defensively a lot of the time. But there definitely is a lot to like. There's a confidence and a smoothness to his game, and he's a legitimate rim protector with decent hands for a big. If he falls to us in the second round, which I think is plausible, I'd be pretty happy to take him.

Can't speak too much on Thybulle. I haven't watched as much of him in detail as I should. His offense isn't very encouraging, especially given that he can't shoot, but his FT%age is encouraging. He's not a rebounder or a passer, which is a big shame, because his length is fantastic for his height and he has solid defensive instincts. He's not the team defender that his stats would imply, and I think that will limit him in the NBA, but he has a pretty strong ceiling as a late first round pick as a defensive specialist.

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New: Sources say the Celtics’ confidence in bringing back Kyrie Irving has eroded, but the Anthony Davis pursuit rolls on: https://t.co/0Ixb4bCH4R

— Adam Himmelsbach (@AdamHimmelsbach) June 14, 2019

Ainge,

“We made a risk by trading for Kyrie, and no matter what happens with Kyrie, I’ll never regret that. You just move on to the next deal.”

Someone talk! Ainge is not backing down, has no regrets. This is great news for us! Isn’t it?

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Ainge,

“We made a risk by trading for Kyrie, and no matter what happens with Kyrie, I’ll never regret that. You just move on to the next deal.”

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They didn't give much for Kyrie. This is different. They have to give up real assets.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Someone talk! Ainge is not backing down, has no regrets. This is great news for us! Isn’t it?

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It is, is very good news.

It's pretty much why I've been saying for months. And I wasn't saying it because I thought it would be fun: I've been saying it because Ainge has been interviewed time and time again, and his message has been the same: for the right player, he will make the deal. He's not going to do something if he thinks it will cripple his franchise, but he's happy to take risks.

We've had rumour after rumour, some from good Boston reporters like Bulpett and others from guys like Shams as recently as a few days ago telling us that Ainge STILL wants AD, and is ''aggressively pursuing'' him. There has been ZERO good reason to assume that Boston are out of the race.

And as long as Ainge is still interested, the floor of the deal is still high.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

They didn't give much for Kyrie. This is different. They have to give up real assets.

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Read the article. They are ready for war with Lakers

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/c...X4N/story.html

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Someone talk! Ainge is not backing down, has no regrets. This is great news for us! Isn’t it?

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Nothing's changed. This is what's been said all along. The Celtics are going after Davis regardless. The Kyrie situation might affect the offer, but there will be an offer.

Also, the Ainge quote above is a week old. It was in the context of "We're not afraid to take risks." The only thing that's new is that reliable writers like Bulpett and Himmelsbach are reporting that the Celtics' hopes of re-signing Kyrie have diminished but not vanished.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

That’s my guy, 7th on my big board

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I couldn't agree more. Again, I think he's gonna be the steal of the draft. Everyone is comparing him to Siakam, but he can be so much more. He's already a great defender, a good shooter and he works harder than anyone. He was a really poor shooter 10 months ago and became very reliable. Just take a look at his pro day :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Dtsa5_F8c

I would love to see him grow into an All star alongside Zion... Just have to find a way to get him which seems pretty complicated...

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Originally Posted by Taker597

They didn't give much for Kyrie. This is different. They have to give up real assets.

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It's true. Zizic, Crowder and injured Isaiah probably don't add up to all that much, so the only real value given for Kyrie was the 8th pick.

Davis will cost a lot more in both picks and players, but it doesn't sound like they'll offer the whole arsenal.

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Originally Posted by Gant-

It's true. Zizic, Crowder and injured Isaiah probably don't add up to all that much, so the only real value given for Kyrie was the 8th pick.

Davis will cost a lot more in both picks and players, but it doesn't sound like they'll offer the whole arsenal.

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It’s better than the dumpster fire Lakers are offering

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Originally Posted by Lespol

I couldn't agree more. Again, I think he's gonna be the steal of the draft. Everyone is comparing him to Siakam, but he can be so much more. He's already a great defender, a good shooter and he works harder than anyone. He was a really poor shooter 10 months ago and became very reliable. Just take a look at his pro day :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Dtsa5_F8c

I would love to see him grow into an All star alongside Zion... Just have to find a way to get him which seems pretty complicated...

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Yeah. And I'll preface this by saying I'm probably the most draft ignorant chap on this board. I don't watch college basketball, film.....really I just pick up tidbits from you guys. But I like this dude. He akunss like the guy you get if you have time for him to develop. Which we probably will.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

It’s better than the dumpster fire Lakers are offering

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The logic is that if you get drafted by the Lakers. They must be great. They're just young lol.

If the Lakers are willing to abandon their long term future and trying to win now. It doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in their assests.

They speak into existence something that is a complete farce.

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Originally Posted by Lespol

I couldn't agree more. Again, I think he's gonna be the steal of the draft. Everyone is comparing him to Siakam, but he can be so much more. He's already a great defender, a good shooter and he works harder than anyone. He was a really poor shooter 10 months ago and became very reliable. Just take a look at his pro day :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Dtsa5_F8c

I would love to see him grow into an All star alongside Zion... Just have to find a way to get him which seems pretty complicated...

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Ohhh... Nice.

I like Doumbouya, but this image of him as a sure-fire future all-star is a bit weird, to me. He does have that potential, but it's not like there aren't clear holes in his game.

For example, he's 6'9 with a 6'11 wingspan. That makes him the tallest player in this draft with a sub 7'0'' wingspan. Is that a killer? No, of course not, but it's kind of a downside when people compare him to Siakam. One of Siakam's obvious strengths is that he's lengthy, toolsy. Siakam is 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan: Doumbouya doesn't have anything like that kind of length to him.

His game just isn't very well developed as of right now. He's not very good at rebounding, on either end of the floor. He's not a natural or instinctive passer, he hasn't shown great shooting from range, he isn't stunningly efficient inside, he's not a remarkable FT shooter. His biggest strength is his age: he's one of the youngest guys in this draft and won't turn 19 until several months into the season. So obviously there's a ton of upside there, but it's definitely a gamble. He hasn't shown anything yet that makes you think ''wow, that guy's a star''. Most people have him generally going somewhere between 10th and 20th in this draft, and I think that's totally fair.

If I was trying to pick that SF/PF tweener guy who can play defense, I'd pick Okeke over Doumbouya, for sure.

Bruh, how many games of his have you seen?

Also, I'm gonna jinx us: no deal will get done today cause Danny Ainge is at the golf tournament.

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Originally Posted by Primetime

Bruh, how many games of his have you seen?

Also, I'm gonna jinx us: no deal will get done today cause Danny Ainge is at the golf tournament.

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Me? A few, couldn't tell you exactly how many. Probably 5 or so.

I'm not saying he sucks or anything, he doesn't. I'm just saying his big strength right now is his physicality, his build, his strength, and his age, because his actual skillset isn't fantastically varied or deep right now. Which is fine, cause he's 18 years old. It just means drafting him is a bit more of a gamble than drafting some other guys. If you're fine with that, cool.

Jrue can be traded if the price is right. And his value is at it's peak right now because a team knows they have him for at least 2 more years at what has become a very reasonable contract. And I say this as a HUGE Jrue fan! I want the Pelicans to keep him! But I also want the Pelicans to absolutely not make anyone other than Zion untradeable at this point.

I agree that we need vet leadership, but that can come from a variety of places and on cheaper deals. A lot of teams will have cap space this summer, and a lot teams will either have to overpay for one of the non elite guys on the market, or trading for a guy like Jrue might make sense for them.

Pacers could offer Sabonis/18 and a future pick.
Orlando could offer Fultz/Gordon/16 and a future pick.
Charlotte would probably do Monk/Bridges/Batum/12 and a future pick.
Miami could offer Dragic/Richardson/13.

I'm not saying that's an exhausting or well thought out list, or that all or any of the above would be good deals. But I'm sure teams have interest in Jrue and I'm sure Griff could find a package worth considering if he decided to engage.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I'm sure Griff could find a package worth considering if he decided to engage.

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That's the key. Thus far he has spoken like someone that is not intending on engaging.

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Originally Posted by Primetime

Bruh, how many games of his have you seen?

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Have you seen many of his games?