Pelicans to meet with Tyreke Evans (offer has been made)

The Kings were one of the last teams we played last season. And I still recall Monty saying some players said "Don't forget about me this offseason." I really wonder who that was or if he was refering to something that happened recently or not.

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

With regard to out persuit of a middling SF free agent, I actually think it's a good thing for us to let the market play out for a few more days. You could pay 4.5 mil or so for someone like Wright, or hold off and get someone like Budinger or Brewer for 3mil.

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Exactly; you only go nuts on the guys you're ready to go nuts on first; then you go after someone. The value gap is big between the guys you see in the first day and the last day. Everyone knows you have to wait for the big domino to fall before the rest do.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Please. Do phones not work when you're negotiating? Whether Tyreke says he's signing with us today or tomorrow they know they weren't priority. Means the same thing if i offer you 2 million more today and you agree versus saying if Tyreke doesn't sign i'll offer you million more. I'm sure they're going to hold out for that call for the extra 2 million. I'm sure Tyreke will get back to us in a timely manner. I completely understand that there's a wide gap, but there's also a lot of wiggle room.

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I know you like to be right, but no. Money talks. You can't offer more than you have to a bunch of different FA's. To you it may work because the money isn't actually committed, but Dell isn't going to offer any deal that overlaps with Evan's. So you are either forthcoming about it and players will 100% of the time take the money that is actually on the table or you can spread yourself thin and then when the way you conduct business gets out no one will want to deal with you.

You're making an illogical point. The only person it helps to wait and let it play out is the player. That's the rush. It commits assets a team has while the players we could be putting those towards are agreeing elsewhere. You can argue a pointless arguement if you want, but yes there is a rush.

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

I know you like to be right, but no. Money talks. You can't offer more than you have to a bunch of different FA's. To you it may work because the money isn't actually committed, but Dell isn't going to offer any deal that overlaps with Evan's. So you are either forthcoming about it and players will 100% of the time take the money that is actually on the table or you can spread yourself thin and then when the way you conduct business gets out no one will want to deal with you.

You're making an illogical point. The only person it helps to wait and let it play out is the player. That's the rush. It commits assets a team has while the players we could be putting those towards are agreeing elsewhere. You can argue a pointless arguement if you want, but yes there is a rush.

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Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.

So you don't think Dell opens parallel negotiations on other players and lets them know they've got other deals on the table? If so, not sure why we're talking. We are miles apart if you believe that.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Exactly; you only go nuts on the guys you're ready to go nuts on first; then you go after someone. The value gap is big between the guys you see in the first day and the last day. Everyone knows you have to wait for the big domino to fall before the rest do.

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+1 It's a pack of wings. Is there anyone in 2-5 million dollar range you'd want for 3 million more than the next best guy?

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

You're making an illogical point. The only person it helps to wait and let it play out is the player. That's the rush. It commits assets a team has while the players we could be putting those towards are agreeing elsewhere. You can argue a pointless arguement if you want, but yes there is a rush.

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I know you like to be right, but no.

I'm illogical but it helps the player to wait? What don't you get about finite cap space and it running out with time? So, time=players enemy. Get it?

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.

So you don't think Dell opens parallel negotiations on other players and lets them know they've got other deals on the table? If so, not sure why we're talking. We are miles apart if you believe that.

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Good for you and think what you will, but yeah. If we are interested in Player X while we don't know what Evans will do and Player X wants money that will overlap with Evans' potential deal we tell him that. Then when another team offers the same or a little less, but it's actually on the table, Player X will take that 100% of the time. We lose when Evans waits and doesn't take our offer.

You're arguing that there's no rush on wanting to know if a guy is going to accept the second biggest chunk of money your team is paying? During FA period? That makes sense to you? Of course there is a rush.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I know you like to be right, but no.

I'm illogical but it helps the player to wait? What don't you get about finite cap space and it running out with time? So, time=players enemy. Get it?

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The longer it goes the higher the price goes...advantage player.

He has our deal on the table, meanwhile he goes and shops ATL and Sac to go higher, if not he can come back. Meanwhile we can't fully commit to another FA because we have an offer out to him so we would just have contingency offers. That's not even really an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Vinny6420

Demps.. demps.. demps... smh

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Yesterday you made a post that said something like "wtf demps?" and now this. What exactly is Demps doing... or not doing?

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

Good for you and think what you will, but yeah. If we are interested in Player X while we don't know what Evans will do and Player X wants money that will overlap with Evans' potential deal we tell him that. Then when another team offers the same or a little less, but it's actually on the table, Player X will take that 100% of the time. We lose when Evans waits and doesn't take our offer.

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Based on what? Go ahead i'll wait, or let me guess, i should just trust you 100% of the time too? Go sell your bridge elsewhere. Or is it going to be "common sense" that makes no sense. As you said, money talks. They'll wait esp (if you read what i said) till the point that we gave Tyreke a deadline to let us know by which would be 5 days before anyone can sign anyway.

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

You're arguing that there's no rush on wanting to know if a guy is going to accept the second biggest chunk of money your team is paying? During FA period? That makes sense to you? Of course there is a rush.

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Nope, again, if you've read what i wrote, im arguing that they can wait a couple of days for Tyreke to accept or decline the offer. I'm not saying they need to wait till the last day. It's relative to the process.

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

The longer it goes the higher the price goes...advantage player.

He has our deal on the table, meanwhile he goes and shops ATL and Sac to go higher, if not he can come back. Meanwhile we can't fully commit to another FA because we have an offer out to him so we would just have contingency offers. That's not even really an opinion.

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No, dude, the longer it goes the less money there is to spend because other teams are spending it on the top tier guys. It's not really even an opinion.

I'm coming in late here. Is the thought that we are waiting to pursue other free agents until we hear back from Evans? If so, I think it depends on the guy. We may have an offer sheet out to Iggy and Evans right now and if one answers us before the other then great.

I don't think we are pursuing the backup plans just yet. Maybe interviewing them, but doubt there is money on the table right now.

As far as letting players know you have other offers out on different players, let them and their managers get that info from the same outlets we do. No need in tipping your hand if you don't have to.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Based on what? Go ahead i'll wait, or let me guess, i should just trust you 100% of the time too? Go sell your bridge elsewhere. Or is it going to be "common sense" that makes no sense. As you said, money talks. They'll wait esp (if you read what i said) till the point that we gave Tyreke a deadline to let us know by which would be 5 days before anyone can sign anyway.

Nope, again, if you've read what i wrote, im arguing that they can wait a couple of days for Tyreke to accept or decline the offer. I'm not saying they need to wait till the last day. It's relative to the process.

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So you're saying a player will wait for a nominal amount of more money for a 'maybe deal?' So then we sign Tyreke and the other team moves on and then what? Players aren't going to wait on teams, teams will wait on players, period.

...and no, you said 'what's the rush,' which is rhetorical and implies that there is 'no rush,' which is incorrect. I assure you for multiple reason, which I can't spell out for you because you seem to have a loose grip on logic, there is.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

No, dude, the longer it goes the less money there is to spend because other teams are spending it on the top tier guys. It's not really even an opinion.

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Yeah, the longer-the-wait-higher the price argument really only works if we low balled him. And the further down the FA ladder goes, that becomes less and less true. You'll see guys like guys like wright and webster go for 4-5 mil, then guys like brewer go for 3-4 mil, and on down the line.. guys like Matt Barnes go unsigned or go for the vet's min at the end.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

No, dude, the longer it goes the less money there is to spend because other teams are spending it on the top tier guys. It's not really even an opinion.

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You're arguing against yourself. You are saying a team has 'no rush' and will hold the money for a player, but the players get less money? Teams will wait on players, players do not wait on teams.

Just to end this pointless argument and avoid being accused of not letting it go, you're right. There is no rush for Evan's to get back to us and Dell is cool with waiting a week since we 'can't do much until the 10th anyways.' Makes sense. My bad.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

So you don't think Dell opens parallel negotiations on other players and lets them know they've got other deals on the table? If so, not sure why we're talking. We are miles apart if you believe that.

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Players are not going to wait to hear back from the Pelicans if they have an offer elsewhere. The longer the player waits, the better the chances are that the team moves on. So, if a player has a deal from Team A and Team B tells them they want to offer X amount, but have to wait to hear back from another player first, what do you think they will do?

It already is looking like we could lose out on Budinger (someone that media reports said was a "priority" for us) as Minny has made him a multi-year offer.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Players are not going to wait to hear back from the Pelicans if they have an offer elsewhere. The longer the player waits, the better the chances are that the team moves on. So, if a player has a deal from Team A and Team B tells them they want to offer X amount, but have to wait to hear back from another player first, what do you think they will do?

It already is looking like we could lose out on Budinger (someone that media reports said was a "priority" for us) as Minny has made him a multi-year offer.

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Correct. Great example.

Just to let you know they are getting ready to talk about the Pels on ESPN Around The Horn. I hope it is positive.

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

Just to end this pointless argument and avoid being accused of not letting it go, you're right. There is no rush for Evan's to get back to us and Dell is cool with waiting a week since we 'can't do much until the 10th anyways.' Makes sense. My bad.

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Exactly what i didn't say. Keep making up points.

Personally, I think Dell is swinging for the fences here and even if it falls through, he knows he can get plenty of value around July 20th when the musical chairs stop. Remember how late in the game we got Lopez last season?

Tyreke can have all the time he wants, since he is the only big fish we want and/or can afford. If you can't get him, use that same money and load up on value contracts later.

Love the strategy

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 35s

Chase Budinger has reached agreement on a three-year, $16 million deal to return to Minnesota, league source tells Y! Sports.

Budinger's gone. The chips start to fall.

I never really thought Budinger was going to leave unless someone overpaid for him big time. They wanted him. He wanted to play for Adelman.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Players are not going to wait to hear back from the Pelicans if they have an offer elsewhere. The longer the player waits, the better the chances are that the team moves on. So, if a player has a deal from Team A and Team B tells them they want to offer X amount, but have to wait to hear back from another player first, what do you think they will do?

It already is looking like we could lose out on Budinger (someone that media reports said was a "priority" for us) as Minny has made him a multi-year offer.

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Read my points about saying the longer a player waits the less money he gets. This proves my point on that piece. If waiting = more money, then way did Budigner sign?

And sure, we lost out on a Chase Budinger but there's tons of other guys in his tier that are still out there. He was just one who didn't want to wait until the dominos fall. Personal preference. Now, can you prove or believe we had substantially more money on on the table?

Everyone agrees here that if Team A and Team b offer the same money, but team B offers it sooner without any string attached, then team b wins, right? We can agree to this right ?

The argument is:

Does Dell run parallel negotiations? (I think he does and is upfront in the process)
Does the longer you wait on a player mean the player gets more money ? (I don't think this typically holds true)
Is waiting until 5 days before they can even sign outlandish? (I don't think so)
If player is offered substantially more money elsewhere but they want to see how the chips fall, does a player sign the cheaper deal because its on the table or do they wait? (I think they wait).

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Personally, I think Dell is swinging for the fences here and even if it falls through, he knows he can get plenty of value around July 20th when the musical chairs stop. Remember how late in the game we got Lopez last season?

Tyreke can have all the time he wants, since he is the only big fish we want and/or can afford. If you can't get him, use that same money and load up on value contracts later.

Love the strategy

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Agree'd