AD trade scenarios...

Is there a pathway where we keep AD this season and add some talent that could make us contenders in the west? It's a huge gamble. It may be a bit reckless. And I know we as a fanbase want Davis gone. But now that Warriors are basically out of the picture, do we have the best shot at a finals appearance right now? Or at least until Zion reaches his prime. Could adding good pieces to Zion Davis and Jrue put us in contenders spot?

If you get to February and it doesn't look like it's going to work, I think we could still move AD. Maybe not with the same return but is that risk for a title worth losing out on Ingram or Tatum or whoever? ��

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

This became more true. Good point.

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Even if Lakers is still best deal. They really should give up the farm instead of trying to lowball us. AD and Lebron would be the best tandem in the West next year. They should be a top 4 seed. Ain't no excuse to not include future picks.

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

Is there a pathway where we keep AD this season and add some talent that could make us contenders in the west? It's a huge gamble. It may be a bit reckless. And I know we as a fanbase want Davis gone. But now that Warriors are basically out of the picture, do we have the best shot at a finals appearance right now? Or at least until Zion reaches his prime. Could adding good pieces to Zion Davis and Jrue put us in contenders spot?

If you get to February and it doesn't look like it's going to work, I think we could still move AD. Maybe not with the same return but is that risk for a title worth losing out on Ingram or Tatum or whoever? ��

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You saw how Davis played throughout the year before his trade demand? He doesn't want to be here. Can't depend on him to give us 100% and take games off for soreness, chest contusion, and sprain pinky. He doesn't want to play for us. He would sabotage a finals run so he can enjoy his summer early in LA.

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

Is there a pathway where we keep AD this season and add some talent that could make us contenders in the west? It's a huge gamble. It may be a bit reckless. And I know we as a fanbase want Davis gone. But now that Warriors are basically out of the picture, do we have the best shot at a finals appearance right now? Or at least until Zion reaches his prime. Could adding good pieces to Zion Davis and Jrue put us in contenders spot?

If you get to February and it doesn't look like it's going to work, I think we could still move AD. Maybe not with the same return but is that risk for a title worth losing out on Ingram or Tatum or whoever? ��

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I think the biggest hurdle to this is AD. We saw from last year. He is no Kawhi that will go out there, compete his *** off, and leave it all on the floor......AD would take most plays off, not play defense, destroy the morale of everyone on the team and tank us.

What Taker said.

Goood morning!

Jesus pg 111 now? What did I miss from last night?

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Originally Posted by Taker597

With how wide open the West became after Klay and KD being out next year . It's definitely paramount to not trade AD within the West.

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If we were not in the position of rebuilding around Zion, given the fact that the Warriors can be beaten next year, it may be worth keeping AD through the deadline to see if we can make a run. If not, deal him then. However, we have to worry about a culture as well.

Max just said Leonard might go to Clips on First Take. That could spell Doom for Lebron’s plan. LOL.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Max just said Leonard might go to Clips on First Take. That could spell Doom for Lebron’s plan. LOL.

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Max is such a drama queen. He may just looking to throw out a "hot take."

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Goood morning!

Jesus pg 111 now? What did I miss from last night?

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You didn't hear? We traded AD for Lebron!

EDIT: What PELICANSFAN said.

But my biggest reason for wanting AD gone before TC is Zion.

This new era is going to be so great. AD is already tainting the lotto win and buildup to the draft. I want that cancer long gone before he ruins anything else. AD staying until Feb would start the Zion era off taking a backseat to a giany disgruntled baby with daddy issues.

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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

Dude Lebron is starting to decline right now he has two years max left of decent production no way we trade AD for him at all


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I agree...every player has an expiration date. It may just take that one injury to Lebron so Lakers better ******** or get off the pot if they want a chance at a chip in the near term. Cause we comin'

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EDIT: What PELICANSFAN said.

But my biggest reason for wanting AD gone before TC is Zion.

This new era is going to be so great. AD is already tainting the lotto win and buildup to the draft. I want that cancer long gone before he ruins anything else. AD staying until Feb would start the Zion era off taking a backseat to a giany disgruntled baby with daddy issues.

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Exactly. Beyond the average stat players in these trades we need to simply do some form of trade to have a fresh clean start. Lets make it happen Griff.

Any more news out of New York?

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Max just said Leonard might go to Clips on First Take. That could spell Doom for Lebron’s plan. LOL.

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That could be a well rounded team if they get Leonard.

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Any more news out of New York?

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The only news that is leaking was the Lakers. It's been dead quiet since LA fixed their plumbing issues..

Yep. EVERYTHING we were getting yesterday was just nobodies on Twitter throwing out rumors like they were legit. And it seemed to happen later afternoon. Like they get antsy from hearing nothing all AM and then they start their own mess. My guess is that around 3pm or 4pm we'll get some more of that.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

The only news that is leaking was the Lakers. It's been dead quiet since LA fixed their plumbing issues..

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They probably quit telling Lebron/Rich Paul what they were offering

Post 1600 WOOHOOO!

I don't how much Chris Mannix knows or is just speculating, but it does make sense. The Celtics position could change if they had assurance from Kyrie that he would definitely re-sign if AD was acquired.


The following is from poster NOFOX on Tigerdroppings:

"Mannix just said that Celtics won’t put up Tatum without getting an idea from Kyrie about returning and that Ainge is asking the Pels to slow the trade talks for that.

He was talking on NBA radio. He said pretty much everything but Tatum is available without an indication from kyrie about returning, but no Tatum. He said Ainge wants time to try to find out if Kyrie will stay with an AD trade. (Though the Roc Nation hire probably isn’t a good sign).

I don’t think we can wait a whole lot longer, hopefully Ainge can find out by Monday."

sure by draft day something should happen

That's just hard to imagine from several angles. On one hand, it looks pretty clear that Kyrie doesn't want to return....on the other hand....why would they not have already asked him if trading for AD would change his mind (or why is it taking so long to get an answer)? We've known about the trade talks for almost half a year.

But it does sound like the excuse Ainge would use to try to wait out Griffin. In other words, they know Kyrie's answer. They have for a long time. There were also all the rumors where we have no interest in trading with LA....we are just using them to up Boston.

This is that part of the game where people just stare at each other. Those six episodes of DBZ before the fight where everyone is panting and grunting and every now and then Krillin talks but nothing else happens. The game of chicken to see who blinks first. Does Griffin move first because of the draft or does Ainge because he worries we'll trade with LA.

I read that Griffin was hoping to get the trade done days before the draft so he could interview some players ( i am assuming to make sure they are all in). If Tatum is a deal breaker then Ainge better make a decision.


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Or we can just go all in and run it back. Just play the season with the current contract and let the cards fall where they may. We have a solid core and the younger players got alot of play time last year that should play well this year. The Zion/AD/Jrue combo may actually make a deep run if not win it all. We do lose out on a potential pick but you never know if that pick will even pan out. At least it would be hella fun and you never know AD might just change his mind after the season plays out.

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I don't how much Chris Mannix knows or is just speculating, but it does make sense. The Celtics position could change if they had assurance from Kyrie that he would definitely re-sign if AD was acquired.


The following is from poster NOFOX on Tigerdroppings:

"Mannix just said that Celtics won’t put up Tatum without getting an idea from Kyrie about returning and that Ainge is asking the Pels to slow the trade talks for that.

He was talking on NBA radio. He said pretty much everything but Tatum is available without an indication from kyrie about returning, but no Tatum. He said Ainge wants time to try to find out if Kyrie will stay with an AD trade. (Though the Roc Nation hire probably isn’t a good sign).

I don’t think we can wait a whole lot longer, hopefully Ainge can find out by Monday."

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This is pretty much how I figured it would go, which is why I asked how people would feel about getting Brown/Hayward/picks.

Kyrie has made it clear what his intentions are. Ainge has a 5 year max he can offer and AD. Kyrie would have to completely change his mind (possible) for us to get Tatum. But if we can get Brown/Hayward/Williams and ALLLLLLLLL the picks, then I think that's a deal we should do.

I like Ingram - and Griff likes Ingram - but Brown could also be the starting SG for the next 8 years, has serious 2-way potential, and that's such a hard position to fill. If Hayward bounces back, he's an All Star caliber player. All those picks are depth and assets to make other moves in the future.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

That's just hard to imagine from several angles. On one hand, it looks pretty clear that Kyrie doesn't want to return....on the other hand....why would they not have already asked him if trading for AD would change his mind (or why is it taking so long to get an answer)? We've known about the trade talks for almost half a year.

But it does sound like the excuse Ainge would use to try to wait out Griffin. In other words, they know Kyrie's answer. They have for a long time. There were also all the rumors where we have no interest in trading with LA....we are just using them to up Boston.

This is that part of the game where people just stare at each other. Those six episodes of DBZ before the fight where everyone is panting and grunting and every now and then Krillin talks but nothing else happens. The game of chicken to see who blinks first. Does Griffin move first because of the draft or does Ainge because he worries we'll trade with LA.

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Griffin is no fool. He knows that Ainge likely knows what Irving is doing by now and if not, will not know any more in the next couple of days. It is time for Ainge to either pony up or get out of the way. We have been waiting on him for 4 months now. The waiting has to end at some time.

Laker Fans are losing their mind with Klay being hurt. Claiming they got the chip locked up for next year. Ive never seen a fan base so entitled and thirsty for relevancy and championship. They want to fleece as hard they can to keep their depth.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Griffin is no fool. He knows that Ainge likely knows what Irving is doing by now and if not, will not know any more in the next couple of days. It is time for Ainge to either pony up or get out of the way. We have been waiting on him for 4 months now. The waiting has to end at some time.

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I completely agree with you on Griffin knowing Ainge knows about Kyrie. I also think Ainge knows Griffin doesn't want to trade to LA.

In my mind, it's like one of those british dramas where everyone knows the other person is bluffing but are both coyly carrying the pretense that they aren't. All speculation, though.

The Klay injury might have the impact of delaying this a few days. We might wait to see if other teams grow a pair, change their minds, and jump in on the bidding. Which could possibly make Ainge blink.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I completely agree with you on Griffin knowing Ainge knows about Kyrie. I also think Ainge knows Griffin doesn't want to trade to LA.

In my mind, it's like one of those british dramas where everyone knows the other person is bluffing but are both coyly carrying the pretense that they aren't. All speculation, though.

The Klay injury might have the impact of delaying this a few days. We might wait to see if other teams grow a pair, change their minds, and jump in on the bidding. Which could possibly make Ainge blink.

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Oh man, Kyrie is so unusual, there's know way to tell if he's given anyone solid assurances of anything. There's a really good chance that Kyrie is being Kyrie and he's giving new signals every day.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Griffin is no fool. He knows that Ainge likely knows what Irving is doing by now and if not, will not know any more in the next couple of days. It is time for Ainge to either pony up or get out of the way. We have been waiting on him for 4 months now. The waiting has to end at some time.

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I agree with this. The best deal the Celtics can do, is the best deal they're willing to do by the deadline we set. Either they're willing to trade Tatum or not. Pelicans waited on the hypothetical once, asking them to do it again is rude!

Like, Griff should tell Ainge "if you ask me to f'n wait again, I swear I'll trade AD to the Nets right now!!"

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Originally Posted by Gant-

Oh man, Kyrie is so unusual, there's know way to tell if he's given anyone solid assurances of anything. There's a really good chance that Kyrie is being Kyrie and he's giving new signals every day.

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Signing with Roc Nation was a pretty clear signal IMO.

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Oh man, Kyrie is so unusual, there's know way to tell if he's given anyone solid assurances of anything. There's a really good chance that Kyrie is being Kyrie and he's giving new signals every day.

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Hahaha. True.

I had a story playing in my head earlier where they ask Kryie what he wants to do and he says, "I must find my answer at the ends of the Earth". And then he sails off on a sailboat to find the actual edge of our flat planet.

Him and Kawhi. No telling what those two will do.

Jalen Rose will either go down a bag of hot air, or a guy who is tapped into the league if his prediction of the Pels shipping Jrue out comes true. Jrue is the one guy we seem to be building around.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Jalen Rose will either go down a bag of hot air, or a guy who is tapped into the league if his prediction of the Pels shipping Jrue out comes true. Jrue is the one guy we seem to be building around.

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So now ESPN is saying we are shopping Holiday?

Sorry if someone posted this but Jalen says to wait til after the draft and let the free agents fall.

I disagree with trading Jrue I don't know where Jalen pulled that from.

This narrative of Gayle not wanting AD going to the Lakers was totally created by the National media. It’s sad that they have to drag her good name into this.

Nobody is spinning it as “you don’t trade great players to teams in your own conference.” No, it’s “she says AD to Pels over her dead body.” Freaking retards.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

This narrative of Gayle not wanting AD going to the Lakers was totally created by the National media. It’s sad that they have to drag her good name into this.

Nobody is spinning it as “you don’t trade great players to teams in your own conference.” No, it’s “she says AD to Pels over her dead body.” Freaking retards.

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I'll be honest. If this was 3 years ago in the middle of GSW dynasty. I'd trade him to the Lakers. Right now... Hell no.

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I disagree with trading Jrue I don't know where Jalen pulled that from.

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His wife? :hihi:

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Sorry if someone posted this but Jalen says to wait til after the draft and let the free agents fall.

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I don't like that speculation on Jrue. Don't like it one bit.

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I don't like that speculation on Jrue. Don't like it one bit.

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I don’t believe the Jrue speculation one bit. If it is true though, that leads me to believe we are going to go for a full rebuild if we can’t get the deal we want. Still think it is something random that jalen pulled out of thin air.

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I don't like that speculation on Jrue. Don't like it one bit.

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Look by the time this team is ready to contend in two to three years at the earliest Jrue will be in his 30s so if we clouds get some younger players that fit our timeline that may Benifit us the most . I love Jrue but give him a chance to win while he’s in his prime and help us sit up for the future . I like Jrue and want him to stay but I would understand if he was moved .


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It’s kinda like the calm before the storm feel I’m not seeing any leaks or new news coming out maybe something is gonna break soon .


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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

Look by the time this team is ready to contend in two to three years at the earliest Jrue will be in his 30s so if we clouds get some younger players that fit our timeline that may Benifit us the most . I love Jrue but give him a chance to win while he’s in his prime and help us sit up for the future . I like Jrue and want him to stay but I would understand if he was moved .


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You're gonna need a Vet leader. You need a defensive specialist off the bench. Let Jrue be what Iggy is to GSW.

I'd have to see the trade before even beginning to speculate on Jrue. Not that I matter. But I think Griffin and even Jrue are like that, as well. If the best asset from the trade is the #4 pick or the 2020 Memphis pick, then yeah, I could see him gone. But if we get Beal or Tatum and Brown, we would be contending possibly even this season now that GS is listing.

And like Taker said, even if we go young, Jrue is the perfect vet leader.

Rose is just throwing mess at the wall.

Such a great feeling knowing the Pels COULD be using the Lakers offer as leverage against the Celtics and knowing the Lakers cannot afford to pull their offer. Ha ha ha ha

Has Jrue come out and said he wants to be a leader?


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Originally Posted by Sleeper

Has Jrue come out and said he wants to be a leader?


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Has he come out and said he wanted to be traded?

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Has he come out and said he wanted to be traded?

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There was some word going around that Jrue wasn’t sure what he was going to do if AD leaves. I haven’t heard anything about it since but that’s why i’m asking because i truly don’t know if Jrue is “all in”.


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Jrue would not be smart to pass up an opportunity to lead a young up and coming nba team. it is really a once and a life chance possible. Although all signs say he is sticking around.

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Jrue would not be smart to pass up an opportunity to lead a young up and coming nba team. it is really a once and a life chance possible. Although all signs say he is sticking around.

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We aren’t really up and anything yet. It all hinges on what we end up acquiring in an Anthony deal. As for Jrue, I think people are forgetting Griffin’s comments on Jrue being excited about the prospect of playing alongside Zion. I’m almost positive this would be a decision by the front office and have nothing to do with Jrue.