Free Agency Thread

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Originally Posted by pawel

No one leaguewide thought even a little about Pels.
Even a minute.

No matter if his name is Duncan, Wright or Mr Smith.

Considering that Pels may trade DMC before the season is stupid.
You may consider it at the deadline at the earliest, but only if this 'experiment' will fail.
But whole organisation bought the idea of this combo and whole team. Heck - looks like DMC bought it.

I just want to sit back and enjoy the perception of Pels season within next months...
And to see how many of insiders (maybe better call them outsiders) will admit that they were wrong...

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love this guy

I have a hypothetical question for you guys. IF we can play at a high level all season, stay healthy, get in the playoffs as a 4 or 5th seed, take our first round opponent to 7 games at worst or win the series at best, and Boogie re-signs

Do you think its possible in any way that LeBron would put us on a list of free agent visits? I would imagine that his visit list would be very very small. Cleveland, Los Angeles, maybe New York....

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

I have a hypothetical question for you guys. IF we can play at a high level all season, stay healthy, get in the playoffs as a 4 or 5th seed, take our first round opponent to 7 games at worst or win the series at best, and Boogie re-signs

Do you think its possible in any way that LeBron would put us on a list of free agent visits? I would imagine that his visit list would be very very small. Cleveland, Los Angeles, maybe New York....

Thoughts?

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I would take cleavland off of there but I've thought about it but nah he's in that stage where he's setting things up for after basketball. He's probably going to L.A.

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

I have a hypothetical question for you guys. IF we can play at a high level all season, stay healthy, get in the playoffs as a 4 or 5th seed, take our first round opponent to 7 games at worst or win the series at best, and Boogie re-signs

Do you think its possible in any way that LeBron would put us on a list of free agent visits? I would imagine that his visit list would be very very small. Cleveland, Los Angeles, maybe New York....

Thoughts?

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1. We wouldn't have cap-space to sign him to a contract of any substantial amount. Would have to trade away Holiday, Hill, Asik and probably Moore to even get close.

2. He wants to continue his streak of being in the finals every year. GS is in the West, which means more likely to not reach the Finals. Staying in the East is easier in the regular season for him as he gets up there in age, and an easier path to the Finals, which he likes.

3. He has no history with New O like he does with Cleveland. If he doesn't stay there he will probably look to team up with his homeboy C. Paul, and possibly Melo and/or Wade in LA, NY like you said, or maybe even back in Miami.

So, no. It's possible in the realm that anything is possible, but extremely unlikely.

Brandon Knight Undergoes Successful ACL Surgery, Will Miss Entire 17-18 Season
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This guy...

So if at the trade deadline we're not in contention for the playoffs (likely... if we have the injuries again), and Cleveland offers Shump (10 mill for 2 years), Channing Frye (1 year 7 mil) and the Nets 1st round pick for Boogie... do you do it?

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

So if at the trade deadline we're not in contention for the playoffs (likely... if we have the injuries again), and Cleveland offers Shump (10 mill for 2 years), Channing Frye (1 year 7 mil) and the Nets 1st round pick for Boogie... do you do it?

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Unless the injuries include Cousins and Davis you will 100% be "in contention for the playoffs" at the trade deadline.

As long as Cousins and Davis want to play here, they will. The only way I trade them is if they want out. Hopefully they ask before their contract ends. So Cousins would have to ask before the trade deadline.

IF that happens and as the FO I feel like Cousins is not resigning than yes.

But I agree with bricklayer, either Davis would have to be out long term for that to happen or Cousins.....and the Cats wouldn't do this if Cousins were hurt. So the only way that scenario plays out is if we lose AD early and for the season.

People keep underestimating our power. Hill going down will hurt us in a seven game playoff series. We're still top five seed in the West.

We're trying to bring back Dante. Wolves trying to get him too

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Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn

New Orleans is trying to re-sign F Dante Cunningham, but Minnesota is proving to be one suitor tough to beat on him, sources tell ESPN.

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http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.s...s_competi.html

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

We're trying to bring back Dante. Wolves trying to get him too

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Just stretch Asik already so we can pay DC

Bloody hell this has gone on way too long

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

We're trying to bring back Dante. Wolves trying to get him too

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Deadline to stretch Asik is Thursday - I would rather not see his name on the payroll for ten years. Any chance we can burn another $10m of that disaster this year - do it. We might even be able to move the rest next year.

Dante waived a $3m player option thinking he would make more on the open market - now he has to decide between two minimum offers at just under $1.5. I see why his agent is holding off - still a chance to get more from Pels if we trade or stretch, I say call the bluff.

Dante will play more with us, especially now with hill out. All money the same, Pels are better fit. Minnesota is not going to go above minimum - so it's where does he think he will do the best. My money is on Dante choosing us, but you can't blame the guy for being upset that he rolled the dice and lost half his money - then waiting till there is zero chance to get it back before he commits.

Yes. But he cannot blame Pels. Cause HE opted out and not Pels.
It is not Pels fault that financial environment looks like this.
Also MM mentioned that Minny sold him the defined role and in NO he is doing different stuff.

IMO it is typical agent play. If you wont give me 3, but 1,5, then I will sign for the same money elsewhere.

Who was the other small forward that played at the end of 2015-2016 when Ennis played?

He was decent

Gee? Jordan Hamilton? Babbitt?

Portland has waived forward Andrew Nicholson, using stretch provision to spread out cap hit on balance of deal, league sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 30, 2017

camp invite?

Totally worth a camp invite. But he won't make the team. Or he shouldn't.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Who was the other small forward that played at the end of 2015-2016 when Ennis played?

He was decent

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Bryce Dejean Jones - he had potential - very sad

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Originally Posted by Andynola

Bryce Dejean Jones - he had potential - very sad

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Nah I think it was Hamilton as pawel said

BDJ was a SG

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/bucks-to-...spencer-hawes/

Help is on the way, lol.

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Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/bucks-to-...spencer-hawes/

Help is on the way, lol.

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From that same site it says that the bucks will be resigning Jason Terry. Dude is going to be 40 before the season starts, yet he will still give you better play than guys 1/2 his age.

I am wondering if we will see an Ajinca trade as well. The way I look at it we kinda need him because we don't have enough bigs. But at the same time we kinda need flexibility to add wing depth.

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

I am wondering if we will see an Ajinca trade as well. The way I look at it we kinda need him because we don't have enough bigs. But at the same time we kinda need flexibility to add wing depth.

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Ajinca's minutes need to go to Diallo and we can't move Asik without attaching a 1st.
Ajinca could easily be moved for a wing. I hope Dell is doing his due diligence.

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

I am wondering if we will see an Ajinca trade as well. The way I look at it we kinda need him because we don't have enough bigs. But at the same time we kinda need flexibility to add wing depth.

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Yea could be. But if it took an unprotected 2018 2nd round pick to unload Q-Pon's expiring 3.9 mil contract, what would it take to unload Ajinca's 2 year 5 mil contract? Giving up a protected 1st only makes sense if you're swapping him for a key contributor at SF (TJ Warren please!?) Then that would only give us Asik's bad contract to deal with, and possibly Hill's. Warren can start at SF and if he fits well, could be re-signed with bird rights next year along with Cousins. But would the Suns be willing to trade him away for a pick likely in the 20's..?

Cousins / ?
Davis / Cunningham? / Diallo
Warren / Miller
Holiday / Moore /Crawford
Rondo / Clark

Pelicans interested in Iman Shumpert.**https://t.co/JeICF1XnnF pic.twitter.com/l1NBgZcepe

— HoopsHype (@hoopshype) September 2, 2017

It's so early in the morning, and I find this. :\

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

Pelicans interested in Iman Shumpert.**https://t.co/JeICF1XnnF pic.twitter.com/l1NBgZcepe

— HoopsHype (@hoopshype) September 2, 2017

It's so early in the morning, and I find this. :\

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For a straight Asik swap? Ok sure. Lol.

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

Pelicans interested in Iman Shumpert.**https://t.co/JeICF1XnnF pic.twitter.com/l1NBgZcepe

— HoopsHype (@hoopshype) September 2, 2017

It's so early in the morning, and I find this. :\

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Originally Posted by AusPel

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I know right!

As much as I don't care for Shumpert, he's better than having Asik take up space and not producing. At the same time, Shumpert scored almost the same amount of points as Solo. If we could drop Asik and get him, I'll pull the trigger.

Shumpert might fit in well. Isn't he a very good defender and a decent 3 point shooter?


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I like shumpert as our sf

He's a worse 3 pt shooter and defender than Hill.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

He's a worse 3 pt shooter and defender than Hill.

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This past season maybe, but not by much. He's been better in the past, could have a revival in a role here. He's also currently healthy while Hill isn't for awhile.

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

This past season maybe, but not by much. He's been better in the past, could have a revival in a role here. He's also currently healthy while Hill isn't for awhile.

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He's also extremely injury prone. There's a reason he's available. And it isn't because he's a good player. Unless Asik is moving out, there is no substance to this "rumor."

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

He's also extremely injury prone. There's a reason he's available. And it isn't because he's a good player. Unless Asik is moving out, there is no substance to this "rumor."

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Yea you're probably right, and can't see why they would take Asik, even with a pick, so that's probably out. And otherwise only matching salaries I see is centered around Moore, which even with his extra year of salary, is probably better than Shumpert at this point.

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

Yea you're probably right, and can't see why they would take Asik, even with a pick, so that's probably out. And otherwise only matching salaries I see is centered around Moore, which even with his extra year of salary, is probably better than Shumpert at this point.

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Moore is definitely better

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Moore is definitely better

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The thing is Shumpert came into the league looking like he might be a young Tony Allen. A real defensive force. And even though that seemingly faded, until last year he was still measuring very strongly defensively according to many metrics. Then last year happened, and abruptly he was mediocre on that end. It's important to understand the why of that change. He's injury prone and has had a series of major injuries keeping him out of extended stretches. If that has caught up with him physically, then maybe he isn't going to be an impact defender anymore. But on the other hand if it's not physical and he can recover his normal form, again, like Allen (although not as good of course) he's normally a MUCH better defender than E'Twaun Moore, who seems to be getting rather too much hometown credit during this search.

Same thing I did with Moore and Tony Allen here. According to ESPN's Defensive Real Plus Minus stats the last 4 years:


2016-17 Out of 94 players rated at SG:
31) Iman Shumpert -0.16
65) E'Twaun Moore -1.58

And in 2015-16:
8) Iman Shumpert 1.26
31) E'Twaun Moore -0.44

And in 2014-15:
8) Iman Shumpert 1.92
38) E'Twaun Moore -1.11

And in 2013-14:
4) Iman Shumpert 2.00
31) E'Twaun Moore -1.21

If you want to set a defensive tone, which any big man based team should, if you want to replace a defensive roleplayer like Solo (who was at a 1.49 DRPM last year), then getting a guy like the Iman Shumpert of years past might be a good step.

I agree with you. Iman Shumpert is an much better basketball player than Etwaun Moore. I've been confused by the hype on Moore...and Hill too. Shump is no All-Star, but his potential far outweighs the two players mentioned.

See my other post. He is not good at all

Peter Jok Signs Camp Deal With Suns
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New York Knicks and Jarrett Jack have agreed to a one-year, non-guaranteed deal, league sources told @BBallInsiders. http://hoopshype.com/storyline/jarre...k-free-agency/

The Bulls and Dwyane Wade have reached agreement on a buyout, per sources.

— K.C. Johnson (@KCJHoop) September 25, 2017

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Originally Posted by ozwego15

The Bulls and Dwyane Wade have reached agreement on a buyout, per sources.

— K.C. Johnson (@KCJHoop) September 25, 2017

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Good update. Also, Pels signed Cliff Alexander to a training camp deal. Seems like a fairly athletic PF type.

Is Wade to the Cavs inevitable?

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

Good update. Also, Pels signed Cliff Alexander to a training camp deal. Seems like a fairly athletic PF type.

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He's also got insane length despite being 6'8". Got like a 9'1" standing reach.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

Is Wade to the Cavs inevitable?

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Do they have any room to sign him? I thought they were way over the cap?

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Originally Posted by ozwego15

The Bulls and Dwyane Wade have reached agreement on a buyout, per sources.

— K.C. Johnson (@KCJHoop) September 25, 2017

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Can he play small forward?

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

Do they have any room to sign him? I thought they were way over the cap?

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They are. Wade would have to sign for the vet minimum to minimize the cap ramifications. His salary is likely less important to him than it would usually be given the additional money he received from his buyout, which from reports looks to be around $15m. Cavs management has shown repeatedly a willingness to spend above and beyond to compete for a championship. And of course he and LeBron are besties. The fit makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

Good update. Also, Pels signed Cliff Alexander to a training camp deal. Seems like a fairly athletic PF type.

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Shocked that J.Smith didn't make the camp :rolleyes: