Free Agency Thread

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mythrol

Who is our backup center if we move Ajinca? Asik? Ahhahahahahahahahhahaha hahahahahahahahahhahaahahah. Ahahahahahahah

Trading Ajinca just creates another hole we have to fill.

Our best hope is Asik stays "sick" and doesn't play this year so we can file for medical retirement and he can be removed from our books just like Bosh.

---

With Davis, Boogie and presumably Cunningham, I doubt Ajinca is in the rotation anyhow. Play small ball and Diallo as your 4th big(s) and the team isn't worse for it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Cole Aldrich and a 2nd for Asik and top 5 protected 1st.

Dell pretty much prefers to pay early 2nd rounders. We wont have the money for another 1st next season with the signing of Cousins.

Thibs is familiar with Asik.

Who says no?

---

Not sure we would be saving enough in that deal to warrant a 1st rounder. I would pass.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by pawel

Ajinca.Q.and first maybe. So thank you...

As to center.
We are assuming that AD/DMC will play all center minutes. When healthy.
The rest PF minutes will go to Diallo. Hill and Dante (hopefully). Enough bodies for 28 minutes. Also Miller was supposed to play a little there.
If any of AD-DMC combo will be injured we can play small ball with more minutes for Diallo, Hill and Dante.
If AD and DMC wont play - you may target ICE Diaw, Lee or Zeller for minimum

---

I don't think AD and Cousins play all the center minutes when healthy at all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Imnos 2

I want Jahlil Okafor as our backup. He's cheap and an upgrade over Ajinca. Ajinca, Q and a 2nd gets it done.

---

Really? We gave them a better deal last year and they didn't take it what makes you think they'd take this one?

Sent from my SM-S903VL using Tapatalk

They don't want him. We are doing them a favor

Also we gave them a better deal because we over estimated his value.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Imnos 2

They don't want him. We are doing them a favor

---

They didn't want him last year either.

Sent from my SM-S903VL using Tapatalk

It's a done deal. Kyrie is a Celtic.

And the Cavs are about to get a damn good unprotected pick and Isaiah Thomas.

The Kings and Pacers got nothing in comparison.

Well they didn't get PG but they do have kyrie

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eman5805

It's a done deal. Kyrie is a Celtic.

And the Cavs are about to get a damn good unprotected pick and Isaiah Thomas.

The Kings and Pacers got nothing in comparison.

---

The Pacers were dumb to make that deal, they should have held out and could have probably gotten something better from the C's.

At least Kyrie stays in the east.

Does this mean we get Melo? :p Lol

Damn, Cleveland gets Thomas, Crowder, Ante Zizic and Brooklyn's 2018 first-round pick for Kyrie Irving.

That's a steal by Cleveland for a guy that demanded to be traded.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/08/2...e-irving-trade

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eman5805

It's a done deal. Kyrie is a Celtic.

And the Cavs are about to get a damn good unprotected pick and Isaiah Thomas.

The Kings and Pacers got nothing in comparison.

---

Kings and Pacers were dealing with stars on expiring deals. Kyrie has an extra year. I was pretty shocked at first, especially with the Nets pick being involved, but it makes a lot of sense for Boston:

-Kyrie brings a lot of the same and is younger, lateral move immediately but better long term outlook.
-Younger star works with long term plan involving Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.
-Boston did not want to deal with paying IT a max contract.

Cleveland got as much as they could hope for. If LeBron is done with them after this year then they can let IT walk as well and try to get a lotto pick for Love and/or Thompson and go rebuild with a Nets (likely) lotto pick and whatever they can get for Love. Really hard to see LeBron and IT being paid by Cleveland next offseason.

It's the type of deal that would have been hated on by fans if another fan suggested it, but I can see how it works for both sides. I think both Kyrie and IT have murky value as far as star players go.

Interesting point on this trade: The #1 and #60 pick in the 2011 draft are essentially being dealt for one another.

So do you think there is a chance that we could make a play for Kyle Korver that the Cavs would accept?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 75saint

So do you think there is a chance that we could make a play for Kyle Korver that the Cavs would accept?

---

He can't be traded till December

Sent from my SM-S903VL using Tapatalk

Cause he just signed his contract huh, ok gotcha

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

Damn, Cleveland gets Thomas, Crowder, Ante Zizic and Brooklyn's 2018 first-round pick for Kyrie Irving.

That's a steal by Cleveland for a guy that demanded to be traded.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/08/2...e-irving-trade

---

Nice deal for the Cavs. I am surprised Ainge gave up that much. Did they really have that much competition for him in the way of solid deals from other teams?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Nice deal for the Cavs. I am surprised Ainge gave up that much. Did they really have that much competition for him in the way of solid deals from other teams?

---

I'm guessing Danny watched the Finals the last couple years and fell in love. I think it makes a lot of sense for the Celtics and balances out their 'win now and also win later' philosophy nicely.

Brooklyn pick + Thompson for Drummond? Brooklyn pick + Love for Melo?

Danny just got hosed.

Boston now has a cornerstone.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Not sure we would be saving enough in that deal to warrant a 1st rounder. I would pass.

---

It saves you enough money to re-sign Cunningham and have a C that can actually play.
You could then add Minny's 2nd rounder or our's which ever you think will be worse with Ajinca to add another shooter.

So glad Kyrie didn't come West

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Danny just got hosed.

---

He just got the coveted Nets pick and a very good role player as well as IT. He didn't get hosed

Edit: Wait I was thinking you meant Danny Ferry :hihi:

Yeah Cavs did very well out of the trade

I think we can officially say that LBJ will be gone next offseason. Ain't going to win a title with that crew next year.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Danny just got hosed.

---

I think the C's won that.....slightly.

IT was not going to get overpaid by Boston and he is 29.
Crowder is a role player behind Howard and will want to get paid in a few seasons.
Zizic is unknown.

If you break it down it was Irving for the 2018 pick (top 5).

Just like it was Boogie for Heild and the 7th pick this year.

Maybe we got hosed?

Out- Crowder (very good role player)
IT - an MVP candidate
Zizic- Best big man prospect in Europe
A guaranteed top 5 pick



In- The 3rd best PG in the NBA, possibly a top 15 talent.

Celtics are now

C-Horford
PF- Marcus Morris
SF- Brown/Tatum
SG- Hayward
PG- Irving

I don't know, I'm not a fan of the trade, but we have our own problems.

IT poured his soul for Boston and he gets traded. Dang.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by shanetrain93

IT poured his soul for Boston and he gets traded. Dang.

---

IT poured his hip for Boston and he gets traded

I'm on the fence about the move. I feel like Boston overpaid but also somehow underpaid. That probably means it's a pretty even deal for both sides.

I guess the bigger question is, does this actually make either team better? Feels like a lateral move. IT had a MVP level year last year. Both are similar score first PGs that play no defense. Is Kyrie really that big of an improvement over IT?

For Cleveland they probably don't downgrade that much at PG but he can walk after a year unless they pay up, they also add Crowder who I'm assuming is going to start so does that mean LBJ slides over to PF? The 1st round pick doesn't help them win now (unless they flip it) so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mythrol

I'm on the fence about the move. I feel like Boston overpaid but also somehow underpaid.

---

I feel like Boston grossly overpaid when they added that Nets pick, but please splain that bold part for ya boy...

I think Boston overpaid...Boston should of at least got the blazers 1st round pick in 2018 the Cavs have. Blazers will most likely not be in the lottery. Cavs got the better deal overall especially for a player forcing his way out.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

I think the C's won that.....slightly.

IT was not going to get overpaid by Boston and he is 29.
Crowder is a role player behind Howard and will want to get paid in a few seasons.
Zizic is unknown.

If you break it down it was Irving for the 2018 pick (top 5).

Just like it was Boogie for Heild and the 7th pick this year.

Maybe we got hosed?

---

I get where you are coming from....but while langston galloway and tyreke were fillers and would not contribute much on a championship caliber team...Crowder and IT might start on a championship caliber team so that increases their value.

Thomas is a red flag going forward because of his hip.
The Celtics don't do this trade if Thomas doesn't get hurt.
The Cavs don't do this trade if they need Thomas at 100% the first half of the season in order to secure a spot in the top half of the East.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

I feel like Boston grossly overpaid when they added that Nets pick, but please splain that bold part for ya boy...

---

Just the vibe I get when I think about the trade. If IT is a 1 year rental and the Cavs don't win a ring (which is also harder now with the Celtics) then they basically gave Kyrie up for a 1st and Crowder. We don't even know how good the Nets pick will be with so many teams tanking in the East.

On the other hand if IT comes back from injury and plays at his previous level, plus the 1st ends up being high, and you get Jae Crowder it could be a lot for Boston to have given up when I'm not sure they are even a better team this year with this trade. So overpaid and underpaid. Probably in the middle.

The Nets pick/Zizic allows them to have a decent foundation to rebuild if/when LeBron leaves next summer. IT/Crowder allow them to continue to get to the Finals this year. Pretty doggone good deal for Cleveland.

I hate this trade for both teams. This feels like a lateral move for Boston(if not a slight step back). I think Irving is the better talent between he and Thomas, but IT just put up a MVP season. Not sure Kyrie is ready to delivery that just yet. C's only returning starter is Horford. So while on paper Irving and Hayward are upgrades in top end talent there's hurting in bench depth and chemistry. And they are still a really poor rebounding team.

Cavs barring any future trades is still way too far behind the Warriors which means James is leaving after this season. The Cavs biggest weakness defense actually gets worse. Crowder is a really good defender but he'll have to replace Smith who's solid on defense already. So the Cavs replace a weak defensive pg with an even weaker defensive pg. And they still have Love who's a liability on that end. The only way the Cavs could have potentially caught up to the Warriors were to flip Irving and Love for strong two way players. This trade did nothing for that and so they'll lose James and aren't likely to retain Thomas. So it's Irving for Crowder, Zuzic, and the Brooklyn pick which is probably 5th or lower. Right now on paper I have Brooklyn as the 7th worse team. Cleveland IMO should have went all in on trying to keep James and winning titles while the window is open. If they really lack the confidence they could re-sign LeBron then just go full rebuild. But at this stage I think hedging their bets will leave them with the worse out come. No James and not nearly enough assetz to jumpstart a rebuild.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Out- Crowder (very good role player)
IT - an MVP candidate
Zizic- Best big man prospect in Europe
A guaranteed top 5 pick



In- The 3rd best PG in the NBA, possibly a top 15 talent.

Celtics are now

C-Horford
PF- Marcus Morris
SF- Brown/Tatum
SG- Hayward
PG- Irving

I don't know, I'm not a fan of the trade, but we have our own problems.

---

You really think Irving is the 3rd best pg?

What if Dan Gilbert pulls a "Decision" on Lebron before the season starts? :eek:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

What if Dan Gilbert pulls a "Decision" on Lebron before the season starts? :eek:

---

That would be some irony. I think I like that idea. He should hold a press conference to announce they have decided to trade Lebron.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

That would be some irony. I think I like that idea. He should hold a press conference to announce they have decided to trade Lebron.

---

I'm pretty sure LeBron has a no trade clause, so the possibility of that happening is slim to none.

Lebron has a no trade clause

Lebron burns Danny again.. hey at least time he'll be leaving him with some jewelry

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I'm pretty sure LeBron has a no trade clause, so the possibility of that happening is slim to none.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mythrol

Lebron has a no trade clause

---

That would make it even funnier!

Not sure you can say Lebron burned him when he got the guy a ring. However it is a bad look for Lebron that Kyrie hated playing with him so much that he forced his way out.

I wonder how much that feeling goes a lot deeper than just Kyrie. Maybe some players are sick of Lebron playing GM and head coach too.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mythrol

Not sure you can say Lebron burned him when he got the guy a ring. However it is a bad look for Lebron that Kyrie hated playing with him so much that he forced his way out.

I wonder how much that feeling goes a lot deeper than just Kyrie. Maybe some players are sick of Lebron playing GM and head coach too.

---

It might look bad but the guy brought a ship to Cleveland. I think its more of a case of the young guy with a big ego and him wanting to be the main man instead of just being happy to win a championship and compete for others.

Lebron might be ************, but you have a better chance to win if you are on his team. (Unless you play with the Warriors, they have enough without Lebron)

Wouldn't it be funny if Lebron took the minimum next year to play with the Warriors? Well, maybe not funny...

So......did anyone else here listen to Nick Wright on The Hard this morning and the trade he proposed?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KevinDavis1022

So......did anyone else here listen to Nick Wright on The Hard this morning and the trade he proposed?

---

No....what?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

No....what?

---

If it's the same trade I saw Nick Wright suggest the other day, he proposed CLE could send us Iman Shumpert, Channing Frye, and the Nets pick in exchange for Boogie. Aside from the Nets pick, it would be very difficult to think of anything good we would get from that.

Don't entertain that nonsense. It's not important. It's people who don't even want what's best for us.

No one leaguewide thought even a little about Pels.
Even a minute.

No matter if his name is Duncan, Wright or Mr Smith.

Considering that Pels may trade DMC before the season is stupid.
You may consider it at the deadline at the earliest, but only if this 'experiment' will fail.
But whole organisation bought the idea of this combo and whole team. Heck - looks like DMC bought it.

I just want to sit back and enjoy the perception of Pels season within next months...
And to see how many of insiders (maybe better call them outsiders) will admit that they were wrong...