Yeah, don't buy it.
Griff was, as recently as last night, saying ''not enough, need a third team'', and then this morning with absolutely no change in leverage, decides ''actually, Ingram, Ball, #4 is perfectly fine!''
Nah.
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Windhorst on ESPN says David Griffin is using the Lakers to raise the price on the Celtics and that if he wanted to make the Lakers deal he already would have made the deal.
— Trevor Lane (@Trevor_Lane) June 13, 2019
It's Windhorst so, grains of salt at the ready, but there's a thing.
yea he is a random noob wanting to be someone.
Why would we want Kuzma in that deal since he plays the same position as Zion?
We better get Ingram over Kuzma. Kuzma could go to the Wizards to be a starter right away.
Lakers: AD & Troy Brown Jr
Wizards: Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Solo Hill, Etwaun Moore, & 4th pick
Pels: Bradley Beal, Brandon Ingram, 9th pick, and 2021 Lakers 1st
That would fit Griffin’s criteria to a T. An All Star, potential All Star, and 2 first round picks. The only problem is would the Wizards give up the 9th pick for Lonzo Ball when there best player is a point guard. Maybe they would try a Wall & Ball backcourt??
That’s why I would try to get the Bulls involved too. Change it up this time around.
Lakers: AD, Kris Dunn & future Wiz 2nd
Wizards: Kyle Kuzma, Josh Hart, Solo Hill, Etwaun Moore, 4th pick, & future Bulls 2nd, maybe the Bulls 38th. (I think the Wiz would have to take back salary? If not then scratch Hill & Moore or at least Hill)
Bulls: Lonzo Ball, our 57th pick or the 39th if we had to, & cash from the Wiz
Pels: Beal, Ingram, Wagner, 7th pick, and 2021 Lakers 1st
Would that make all sides happy? Don’t know about the Wizards, but I think the other 3 would be happy. Maybe not the Lakers, but they get the man they want in AD.
The Lakers once again conducting every step of the AD negotiations in public seems like a strategy that could backfire
— Andrew Sharp (@andrewsharp) June 13, 2019
Trust Fletcher?
While I love talking trade scenarios I've said all along I think AD ends up in Boston (and Brooklyn is the fall back).
— Fletcher Mackel (@FletcherWDSU) June 13, 2019
I think when this entire ordeal ends...Anthony Davis is a #Celtics and Jayson Tatum plays for @PelicansNBA
Today on 'The Jump' @WindhorstESPN discussed AD. pic.twitter.com/bCc1vC1Q0r
Rich Paul should publicly ask Kurt Rambis & Rob Pelinka to resign if they don’t give us a better deal!
Chicago is reporting as possibly being a 3rd team in a deal with the Lakers... I've talked about this before but any chance we could get MARKKANEN from them with Lonzo and the 4th pick?
The Lakers pieces fit really nice with what we have. Don't let haters fool you. Some rumors involve no Ingram but just addressing LA being all in....
Ball Jackson
Jrue Moore
Ingram Williams
Williamson Kuzma
Okafor Wood
Plus the 4th pick to fill things out.
Resign Payton and you have a great G rotation. One of the best defensively. Good even without Elfrid.
Waaaaaay too much has been made about Ingram's blood clot. If it were Tatum with the health issue, the same people wouldn't be concerned by it. It is NOT the same issue Bosh had but that is all you will hear him compared to. Ingram will be the best SF to ever wear a Pelicans jersey (an easier feat than it sounds).
Kuzma and Zion do not play the same position. Good grief. If Kuzma played for the Knicks the same people would be pointing out that Zion can be moved all around the board. Kuzma can even play SF. They can interchange. But also, Kuzma would be a great 6th man off the bench. Lots of scoring. And his defense will improve away from LA. That place was a toxic cesspool and good portion of defense is effort.
That #4 pick will allow us to fill whatever hole we want.
I'm still holding out hope for the Celtics to up the ante because I do value Tatum and that Memphis pick higher than any Laker assets......or the #3 pick....or Beal.....and I like Robinson......or Lavine.......ok. I'm still hoping we do better but that would be a great future, as well.
Also maybe we try and get Chicago 8th pick
Serious, legit question.
Ball: 31% three point shooter, 41% FT shooter.
Jrue: 32% three point shooter, 77% FT shooter.
Ingram: 32% three point shooter, 60% FT shooter.
Williamson: 34% three point shooter, 60% FT shooter.
Okafor: 20% three point shooter, 66% FT shooter.
Where is the spacing? Where's the FT shooting? What's your finishing 5? Literally nobody in that starting 5 is even league average from three, and 4 of the 5 are sub 70% FT shooters.
You can't roll out a starting 5 where Zion Williamson is your best three point sniper.
Haha.
Every other trade: Don't worry about that weakness, we have several years to build things around Zion.
Lakers trade: Holes must be fixed NOW.
Yes. The shooting is a MAJOR issue. Needs improvement for sure. This is a MAJOR overhaul. There will be flaws to any team we put together be it a rim protecting big, facilitator PG, starting quality SF, or 3pt shooting.
The sad part about that is Ingram and Okafor are so terrible on defense that team wouldn't even been above average defensively.
So you've got no shooting, poor rebounding, average defense.... It will take Zion literally being the 2nd coming of LBJ and him single handedly carrying this team for that lineup to work.
Some very interesting news coming out of Pelicans camp regarding an Anthony Davis trade. I have a STRONG feeling we will not be hearing of the final deal til AFTER July 1st...There's gonna be some shook folks on Twitter pic.twitter.com/tHl0zcQfQV
— David Cerritelli (@CerritelliDavid) June 13, 2019
Yeah sure, yadda yadda, we're all stupid hypocrites, whatever.
The shooting isn't just a major issue. We would instantly become the single worst three point shooting team in the league.
And when someone isn't a good shooter, one place to look to see what their potential is, is their FT shooting. Since FT shooting generally stays pretty stable throughout a career. And none of them are good FT shooters either: we would instantly become the worst FT shooting team in the league as well.
Beyond that, some of those players (Looking at Ball, here) don't even PROJECT as becoming decent shooters unless they rework their entire shot. It's not that they just can't shoot, it's that their shot is fundamentally broken beyond comprehension.
You don't trade a TOP FIVE player for a bunch of guys where the best thing you can say about them is ''Oh hey, if we completely redesign their entire game, they might be playable in three to five years.'' Especially when one of them, like Ingram, will need paying in ONE YEARS TIME.
Why not just answer the question? Don't be so evasive.
The Knicks would be my favorite move if I can get Beal, RJ, Robinson, & a 2021 1st
Then I like Brooklyn if I can get DLo, LeVert, Allen, and a 2020 or 2021 1st.
Then the Celtics if I can get Tatum, Smart, Memphis’ pick, the 14th pick, & either the 20th pick, a 2020, or a 2021 Boston 1st.
Then the Lakers if I can get Beal, Ingram, and two 1sts. (Maybe Kuzma or Ball & a 1st cause I can trade either Kuzma or Ball into something later to hopefully get a center.
You gonna go to this guy for reliable info?
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— David Cerritelli (@CerritelliDavid) February 11, 2019
"(Danny Ainge) thinks, ‘If I can get Anthony Davis, we’ll do what we did with Kevin Garnett, he’ll fall in love here, and no matter what his agent says, he’s going to want to stay,'" @SeanDeveney told @DAonCBS. #Celtics https://t.co/1q6wUORjCs
— CBS Sports Radio (@CBSSportsRadio) June 13, 2019
Also, don't be fooled by Laker haters that use stats. They will change up the stats to fit their argument. Like use a percentage just from last season for their guy because it was the highest one and then use a career average for a Laker player so that a rookie season can weigh it down. Or change up which season percentage or career percentage theh use based on which is lower.
Example. Dae takes career stats for Ingram and Ball's 3pt shooting so that their rookie seasons bring their averages down and then cherry picks Ball's worst single season FT % to make the stats seem worse.
I wasn't using Ball or Ingram's career stats :hihi: those were both their last year averages.
In the case of Ingram, his three point career average is THE SAME as this year's average. It doesn't matter which you use, this year or career, it's identical.
When I said Ball is a 41% free throw shooter, that was a stat from this year, not his rookie year. It was his career low though. I'll give you that. So let's look at his other FT stats:
His career FT average is 42%. Happier now? What about if I use his career high, we're at 43.5%. Does that thrill you? Am I being more fair now?
Pick a year, the Laker's young guys will serve you a different flavour of garbage, but it will be garbage all the same.
I get it... You're plan for us is to trade AD for scrapes that won't be here in 3 years.
If we are gonna get a bunch of high risk players... Then, give us draft picks. I rather draft Culver, Garland, and Hunter than those mediocre bums. The only reason that they are relevant is because they are in LA. IF they where in any other city. They be mediocre nobodies that win 30 games a season.
You even wrote that you used different stats (career or last season)......you then tried to excuse it in a long diatribe. But if you did it, it isn't a strawman. And I'm disingenuous and dishonest for calling you out on it. Cool. Ok.
But worst of all.....you even did it to our boy Jrue. The day after his birthday, no less.
I agree. Draft picks allow us to pick and choose the type of players we want and fact of the matter is these trades have average stats which can be found in the next crop of players which are also a tad bit younger. Why buy the used car when you can buy a brand new one.
Uh... no I didn't.
I said that I used last year's stats ONLY. For all players in that list I gave you. Including Ingram, Ball, Jrue, Okafor, Zion. All the stats listed were from their last year.
You claimed I was using career stats so that rookie years could drag down the averages. That's a lie, and it would have been easy for you to find out by just googling their stats. I was using last year's stats. Not career stats. 2018-19 season numbers.
Then, in that reply, I basically explained why, even if I had used career stats (which I didn't, remember, even though you claimed I did), it wouldn't have changed the argument too much because their career averages are pretty much identical to their averages from last season. Within two or three percentage points, here and there.
So basically, the argument you claimed I had made was not the argument that I actually made. Pretending that I argued something I didn't so that you could continue being evasive is disingenuous and dishonest, whether you like it or not.
Not sure why that's so difficult for you to wrap your head around, but there you go, I've made it as clear as possible.