Pels Off season thread

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

IF this is the actual trade it is worse than before. Isn't Sato better than White?

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White is a much better player in my opinion. He’s more than capable as a starter.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Texas doesn't have state income tax, so the amount Hardaway will earn in salary playing in Dallas is about the same as he would have in New Orleans. He did not leave a bunch of money on the table, despite our offer being higher.

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Ummm.. The income tax rate really isn't that much. He'll probably still be getting paid 10+ million. Also, players get taxed for playing in other states in road games.


If Taxes really matter... Ain't nobody be playing in Cali.

I was thinking of someone else. Derrick White is a decent player.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

IF this is the actual trade it is worse than before. Isn't Sato better than White?

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It's a hypothetical. And White is a much better player.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

White is a much better player in my opinion. He’s more than capable as a starter.

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Just chiming in to agree here. White is very good and could easily start on a number of teams.

As always, stats without context don't tell the whole story but last year White was +2.3 in EPM, 53rd in the NBA. The only Pelican with an EPM better than that last season was Zion Williamson (whose EPM of +4.4 was 15th in the NBA).

Realistically, what would Indy want for Malcolm Brogdon?

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Originally Posted by Butters

Realistically, what would Indy want for Malcolm Brogdon?

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Kira, Satoransky, and the Lakers 2024/2025 1st, and I?d do it.


Re-sign Hart and Hernangomez

Lineup:

PG: Brogdon/Graham/Alvarado
SG: NAW/Hart/Didi
SF: Ingram/Temple/Jones
PF: Zion/Marshall/Murphy III
C: Valanciunas/Hayes/Hernangomez


That?s a nice team.

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Originally Posted by Butters

Realistically, what would Indy want for Malcolm Brogdon?

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Whatever it is, we ain't got it.

As much as I like brogdon I really don’t wanna trade Kira. I really think he’s going to be special.

If Brogdon was really available... I'd felt he would of already been moved.


I think Brogdon was truly available for the Simmons trade and that was it.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

If Brogdon was really available... I'd felt he would of already been moved.


I think Brogdon was truly available for the Simmons trade and that was it.

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I agree. I think Hield or McCullum make more realistic targets.

I think Hield could be had for Hart, Satoransky, and a 1st

McCullum would take NAW or Hayes, Satoransky, and 1-2 1sts. I would rather trade Hayes.

We need a win now player which we don’t have yet.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I agree. I think Hield or McCullum make more realistic targets.

I think Hield could be had for Hart, Satoransky, and a 1st

McCullum would take NAW or Hayes, Satoransky, and 1-2 1sts.

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Not interested in McCollum.

$30m+ per year for the next 3 years for one of the worst defensive players in the NBA who would come at a high cost? Nah.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Not interested in McCollum.

$30m+ per year for the next 3 years for one of the worst defensive players in the NBA who would come at a high cost? Nah.

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And Hield is a defensive wizard?

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I agree. I think Hield or McCullum make more realistic targets.

I think Hield could be had for Hart, Satoransky, and a 1st

McCullum would take NAW or Hayes, Satoransky, and 1-2 1sts. I would rather trade Hayes.

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Why would we want either when they play terrible defense? We need three and D first with maybe a cheap signing like Forbes sprinkled in.


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Here's something to watch while we wait on any type of move from the Pels lol...https://youtu.be/sDSZmR04x7g

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Originally Posted by BIG_CITY_BOI

Here's something to watch while we wait on any type of move from the Pels lol...https://youtu.be/sDSZmR04x7g

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So he is saying 20 points a night? Pelicanidae is very unimpressed with that trivial boast.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

As much as I like brogdon I really don’t wanna trade Kira. I really think he’s going to be special.

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Exactly. Kira is going to be an absolute stud in this league. You do whatever you can to keep him.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

So he is saying 20 points a night? Pelicanidae is very unimpressed with that trivial boast.

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:rolleyes:

We don't do context on this board, apparently.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

And Hield is a defensive wizard?

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No but he's also almost literally half the price :hihi:

#Cavs have had discussions about a sign-and-trade for RFA Josh Hart, sources say. While he?s not the *shooter* they were wanting when FA began, those other options went quickly and now they?re looking at many possibilities. Sign-and-trades are always more complicated tho.

— Chris Fedor (@ChrisFedor) August 4, 2021

Not sure who the Pelicans would be getting in return in a potential S&T.

dont want either, but dont follow the logic of passing on Dinwiddie for 3 years 60 but wanting Hield at the same price AND giving a first for him. I think Sac would dump him for free if they could.

Of the guys left and the pickings are slim, Danny Green fits the team the best. I think Ingles is a fantasy unfortunately.

sign and trade hart and santo for sexton? ummm ok

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Originally Posted by wnelson

sign and trade hart and santo for sexton? ummm ok

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To get that the Pels probably have to take on Love and his contract

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Originally Posted by wnelson

sign and trade hart and santo for sexton? ummm ok

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Lol yea right.

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Originally Posted by wnelson

sign and trade hart and santo for sexton? ummm ok

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More salaries would need to go out. I'd say Sexton and Nance or just Kevin Love. Griff is looking at expiring assets.

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Originally Posted by bradael

#Cavs have had discussions about a sign-and-trade for RFA Josh Hart, sources say. While he?s not the *shooter* they were wanting when FA began, those other options went quickly and now they?re looking at many possibilities. Sign-and-trades are always more complicated tho.

— Chris Fedor (@ChrisFedor) August 4, 2021

Not sure who the Pelicans would be getting in return in a potential S&T.

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No chance this involves Sexton right?

But more realistically if we do go ahead with a Cavs S&T for Hart I would be hoping for Nance in return.

Anything involving Sexton has to go with Love too

Love is $31M this season, $29M next season, and then a UFA?

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Sexton seems kinda selfish. We don't really need a hot head on the team esp for a first year head coach trying to get everyone on the same page.
Don't want Love either b/c we'll need a back up for him since he stays hurt.

Nance would be nice here tho.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

There was another deal worked out for Graham and then an opportunity came up and we switched it to a protected 1st. Like I keep saying, lets let the whole thing play out and evaluate as a while. I expect Hart and Sato out and a starter plus 2-3 good reserves in over the next few days. Then we can all give our opinions as a whole

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Hopefully with this Hart news we can get a clearer picture really interested in who there targeting.

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Originally Posted by Drudkh_

No chance this involves Sexton right?

But more realistically if we do go ahead with a Cavs S&T for Hart I would be hoping for Nance in return.

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Would love Sexton, but Nance is a more realistic target. More likely something like Kabengele and a 2nd.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

Is this an actual trade or just a hypothetical?

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Actual trade. It happened yesterday. Where you been bruh?

https://i.ibb.co/4Jnw78L/Screen-Shot...1-22-21-PM.png


Doesn't work at the moment cause of the Satoransky issue above, but it's a framework. Maybe there would be a clever way for it to work. Cavs dump bad salary in Love and don't have to deal with Sexton's next contract. They also pick up Hart and a top 10 protected first via Milwaukee. Pelicans get Nance and Sexton and hope Love can do something.



Valanciunas / Hayes / Hernangomez
Zion / Nance / Love
Ingram / Naji / Didi / Jones
NAW / Murphy
Sexton / Graham / Kira

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Love is $31M this season, $29M next season, and then a UFA?

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The argument could be made that the $29m expiring next year is semi-valuable. But yeah right now it's a terrible contract. Even worse than Kemba based on the production of both players recently.

This is what the NBA has come to,
teams like New Orleans, Utah, OKC, Cleveland, Charlotte, the Kings, Memphis, Indiana, Minnesota, the Spurs and then some,
they are just trying everything to be able to compete with the teams that get anyone they want for almost free.
These teams are trying to work trades with each other, with everything at stake on every move just to try to keep up. One mistake your done and fired.
Even when you get it right like # 1 seed Utah, you lose and it becomes financially unsustainable or you need to improve somehow.
These are the teams the Pels are trying to trade with, it will never be easy, for any of these teams!

At this point.... I gotta agree with Mac. With this ********ake going on with these super teams... I don't think we'll ever win. championship or come close. But being hella competitive and playing hard attracting crowds should be our best bet. So I'm all aboard the Sexton trade if it's there. The fit is terrible but if it nets us a competitive fiery team that makes a 5th seed and gets put out in the second round. I mean... I'm with it at this point.

Haven't read all the messages on this board, but did we have to sign Temple for 3yrs? He's a good vet to have but weird to sign him to a 3 yr deal worth 15 mil

Dean wade could be a guy we could pursue from the Cavs with Hart. He fills a backup 4 need.

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Originally Posted by redrum

This is what the NBA has come to,
teams like New Orleans, Utah, OKC, Cleveland, Charlotte, the Kings, Memphis, Indiana, Minnesota, the Spurs and then some,
they are just trying everything to be able to compete with the teams that get anyone they want for almost free.
These teams are trying to work trades with each other, with everything at stake on every move just to try to keep up. One mistake your done and fired.
Even when you get it right like # 1 seed Utah, you lose and it becomes financially unsustainable or you need to improve somehow.
These are the teams the Pels are trying to trade with, it will never be easy, for any of these teams!

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That?s why we hopefully bank on NAW, Lewis, and Hayes. Dude we have Zion, Ingram, and JV as an expiring. Top that off with a solid draft class and a shot creator in Graham. We are far better off than most other small market teams.


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Originally Posted by PaKwAn

Haven't read all the messages on this board, but did we have to sign Temple for 3yrs? He's a good vet to have but weird to sign him to a 3 yr deal worth 15 mil

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Trade exception


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Originally Posted by PaKwAn

Haven't read all the messages on this board, but did we have to sign Temple for 3yrs? He's a good vet to have but weird to sign him to a 3 yr deal worth 15 mil

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Two years guaranteed.

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Originally Posted by hornetzplaya

At this point.... I gotta agree with Mac. With this ********ake going on with these super teams... I don't think we'll ever win. championship or come close. But being hella competitive and playing hard attracting crowds should be our best bet. So I'm all aboard the Sexton trade if it's there. The fit is terrible but if it nets us a competitive fiery team that makes a 5th seed and gets put out in the second round. I mean... I'm with it at this point.

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You never know, everything just broke perfectly for the Bucks (and the Suns), it can happen, but you need to be really lucky. Kyrie doesn't twist an ankle, everything probably happens differently.
That said, you need to be ready for that moment when super teams become vulnerable!

PS. Free Agency is only 24ish hours old!

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Originally Posted by donato

https://i.ibb.co/4Jnw78L/Screen-Shot...1-22-21-PM.png


Doesn't work at the moment cause of the Satoransky issue above, but it's a framework. Maybe there would be a clever way for it to work. Cavs dump bad salary in Love and don't have to deal with Sexton's next contract. They also pick up Hart and a top 10 protected first via Milwaukee. Pelicans get Nance and Sexton and hope Love can do something.



Valanciunas / Hayes / Hernangomez
Zion / Nance / Love
Ingram / Naji / Didi / Jones
NAW / Murphy
Sexton / Graham / Kira

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Don't they want Kira to come off the bench.
Maybe Graham plays SG behind NAW (if we get Sexton)

It is a good thing this team doesn't have many roster spots open if any. I can't imagine the Pelicans having to fill multiple spots on the roster this year.

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Originally Posted by redrum

You never know, everything just broke perfectly for the Bucks (and the Suns), it can happen, but you need to be really lucky. Kyrie doesn't twist an ankle, everything probably happens differently.
That said, you need to be ready for that moment when super teams become vulnerable!

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I think when LeBron retires it's done. He brought it and it will leave w/ him.

Maybe the nba needs to put a rule in place where a player HAS to go to the team that offers him the most money. End the super teams

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Originally Posted by PELSGIRL

Sexton seems kinda selfish. We don't really need a hot head on the team esp for a first year head coach trying to get everyone on the same page.
Don't want Love either b/c we'll need a back up for him since he stays hurt.

Nance would be nice here tho.

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But Love would be the back up lol.


But seriously... I forgot how much Love fell off since LeBron left. Ugly.

Did my monthly "Can Nikola Mirotić return to the NBA" Google search... Never understood why we traded him. Was that Dell Demps final move?

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Originally Posted by Taker597

But Love would be the back up lol.


But seriously... I forgot how much Love fell off since LeBron left. Ugly.

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I know. Lol.