Draft Prospects Discussion

Agreed, Bender won't make it past the Celtics and Suns.

The Pels are going to end up with either Hield or Dunn.

Book it.

I know a guy who told ya'll that weeks ago, haha. Discussing any other prospect is a waste of time. Except, maybe, Valentine

If 3-5 goes Buddy, Bender, and Dunn, I think they would look for trades. If they don't like any, I believe they would take Valentine over Murray

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

If 3-5 goes Buddy, Bender, and Dunn, I think they would look for trades. If they don't like any, I believe they would take Valentine over Murray

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Let's hope that does not happen.

Picking Valentine at 6 is a huge joke he's not even expected to be a lotto pick. Also MM stop acting like things are set in stone teams still need to do workouts and interviews.

Well Dunn or Buddy better be there if this team is gonna take Valentine over Murray! I don't think that happens though. Murray is seen as a WAY better player than Valentine. If you look at the board and who picks in the top 5, I think Kris Dunn will be the pick. I don't see teams 3-5 taking a point guard. The Celtics have Isaiah Thomas and Marcus Smart at point guard. The Suns have Brandon Knight and Eric Bledsoe. And the T-wolves have Ricky Rubio and Zach LaVine. Now it will just depend on what the Celtics do at 3. Will they go guard or anything else?? I think they will end up taking Buddy or Murray before its all said and done. The T-wolves take the other one that the Celtics pass on. Then we will take Kris Dunn!! Man I'm so glad the lotto fell the way it did cause we are likely to get the #3 player(IMO) at pick #6!!

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

Picking Valentine at 6 is a huge joke he's not even expected to be a lotto pick. Also MM stop acting like things are set in stone teams still need to do workouts and interviews.

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According to whom? Your second sentence is ironic, after reading your first. Things aren't set in stone, yet Valentine isn't supposed to be a lotto pick....um, is thatset in stone?

And I have seen Valentine as high as 9 in some mocks, so its just not true. Not like mock drafts matter. Show me one that had Cody Zeller going 4th a month before the draft. Or Kaminsky going ahead of Winslow last year.

If you like Valentine better than Murray, and can't trade the pick, you take Valentine, no matter what Chad Ford or some other mock says. Whenever you go back and do NBA Re-Drafts, some guy taken 20-something is ahead of the guy picked 4th or 5th. It's stupid to place anybody else's value ahead of your own. You go by your board, not somebody else's

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I know a guy who told ya'll that weeks ago, haha. Discussing any other prospect is a waste of time. Except, maybe, Valentine

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We are totally in luck then as they are the two players I want most in this whole draft.

I favor Dunn a skoosh over Hield namely for him being a two way player. But Hield would be a great player to operate off of AD. Teams won't want to double off Hield when AD has the rock. Best case scenario for us is they have to pick their poison.

You can't say picking someone before someone would be a mistake like it is absolute fact. Of course you can have your opinion, but it's not like projected top picks always finish better than people drafted behind them. I'm sure if the Hornets could go back they would much rather Lillard, Draymond or Drummond over MKG.

Give me Denzel Valentine.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

According to whom? Your second sentence is ironic, after reading your first. Things aren't set in stone, yet Valentine isn't supposed to be a lotto pick....um, is thatset in stone?

And I have seen Valentine as high as 9 in some mocks, so its just not true. Not like mock drafts matter. Show me one that had Cody Zeller going 4th a month before the draft. Or Kaminsky going ahead of Winslow last year.

If you like Valentine better than Murray, and can't trade the pick, you take Valentine, no matter what Chad Ford or some other mock says. Whenever you go back and do NBA Re-Drafts, some guy taken 20-something is ahead of the guy picked 4th or 5th. It's stupid to place anybody else's value ahead of your own. You go by your board, not somebody else's

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Please show me 1 mock with Denzel in the top 10

I don't even understand why people still takes MM's word he's wrong 80% of the time.

You can disagree with anyone, but just disagree. Do not try to insult or denigrate others.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

Please show me 1 mock with Denzel in the top 10

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Shouldn't matter how high he is in mocks, how many mocks had Kawhi, Draymond or Ginobli in the top 10?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Shouldn't matter how high he is in mocks, how many mocks had Kawhi, Draymond or Ginobli in the top 10?

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You choose out liners what % of non lotto and second round pick tend to be better than lotto picks.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

Picking Valentine at 6 is a huge joke he's not even expected to be a lotto pick. Also MM stop acting like things are set in stone teams still need to do workouts and interviews.

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Tbh I understand where you are coming from, but looking at this organization past picks , their picking style is on point to what MM is saying so it's not far fetch. Demps and crew are obsessed with Juniors or seniors.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Tbh I understand where you are coming from, but looking at this organization past picks , their picking style is on point to what MM is saying so it's not far fetch. Demps and crew are obsessed with Juniors or seniors.

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When is the last time we had a pick to even make that conclusion? The only time we used a lotto pick was on AD and Rivers since Dell's been here. As for second rounders majority of the time those are Jr's and seniors. Also its clear that although Dumars isn't part of the FO they may be using him for advising. People charge their mind there opinions on a player or trade can change at any moment.

A guard with a 29 inch vertical being drafted top 10 is definitely a joke. Unless you're an all world shooter like Curry and Reddick. Which Valentine isn't.

Prospect A:

6'10.75" wingspan
8'6" standing reach
32" max vertical
.462/.444/.853
127.2 ORtg

Prospect B:

6'9" wingspan
8'7.5" standing reach
31.5" max vertical
.436/.398/.838
109.8 ORtg

Don't click on the links and guess who A and B are.

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

Prospect A:

6'10.75" wingspan
8'6" standing reach
32" max vertical
.462/.444/.853
127.2 ORtg

Prospect B:

6'9" wingspan
8'7.5" standing reach
31.5" max vertical
.436/.398/.838
109.8 ORtg

Don't click on the links and guess who A and B are.

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Thanks for sharing this, David. I had never even considered to compare him to Klay as a prospect, those numbers are pretty much identical.

I'm all for taking Valentine if Dunn and Hield are both off the board when the Pels pick sixth. The question is, do the Pels value him enough to take him there despite many people believing he's a mid to late lottery pick?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Through some miracle, the Pels trade and keep our #6 pick and acquire another lottery pick...who is the 2nd guy, people would want? Assuming Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Hield, Murray, and Bender have all been picked.

Marquiss Chriss? Jaylen Brown?

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Kris Dunn and Buddy Hield would be great. I'd take Jaylen Brown as well. Then sign Barnes and a decent backup power forward.

C: Asik, Ajinca
PF: AD, FA
SF: Barnes, Brown
SG: Jrue, QPon
PG: Dunn, Reke

That would be one scary lineup and I would love that second unit.

My bad so I would take Jaylen Brown, Chriss, Skal, Sabonis, or Ellenson in that order.

If Dunn isn't there I'd be happy f they dropped a few spots and took Luwawu. Don't be shocked if he goes higher than these mocks have him. As is usually the case when it comes to the NBA draft.

Does that even happen? Trade backs? Who is the guy we don't need that's worth assets to trade up for? Chriss? Maybe Bender slides?

Yes it happens. Not nearly as much as in the NFL being there are less picks, but it's not a blue moon type of thing.

Thats how Utah picked up Trey Burke and Minnesota dropped to get Shabazz and Gorgui. Don't know if the Pelicans have the ammo, but our GM can be pretty crafty.