I think the problem is LA over values those guys. Looking at their stats im not very impressed. I would take Tatum and some picks and allow us to choose the players that work for our future.
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I think the problem is LA over values those guys. Looking at their stats im not very impressed. I would take Tatum and some picks and allow us to choose the players that work for our future.
You can't be serious. You realize there's opposition in these deals right? Just because a team has the ability to protect picks doesn't mean the other team has to go for it. Demps simply says unprotected or we move on. At that point if your are the Knicks (or perhaps the Suns in a Jrue trade) you either say ok and take the for sure thing in terms of the player or we'll pass and gamble on our 14%. Why are you acting as if this is some foreign concept. I'm almost certain every team wants to lotto protect all their picks in any trade. It doesn't always happens for a reason.
Lakers fans are so insufferable and entitled. I hope this is just a long con for Boston or New York to step up their offer.
Doesn’t have to be real estate. Folks get Masters in Economics because the theories are applicable in multiple sectors.
AD is an asset. If you get what you think is a good deal, you weigh the percentage chance you can get a better deal vs the risk that you’ll get a worse deal. That’s the calculation I ran when suggested we should have taken a deal with Lakers or Knicks before the deadline.
Being discussed on First Take now.
They have Pretty much announced Davis is going to Lakers on First Take. SAS says they will win title next year.
We should have never considered trading it at the deadline because the entire point was to maximize the odds of getting as high in the draft as possible. The Knicks with AD don’t have the worst record. The Lakers with AD would have fought tooth and nail to get into playoffs. And finally, we would have had more talent on the court, minimizing our odds.
Yes, we got lucky. But it’s directly because we maximized our chances.
So, you ran that calculation with zero facts? You have absolutely no clue what the Pelicans value (not to mention they have completely overhauled their front office). No executive worth anything would be railroaded into making an organizational altering decision without all the facts. That is what you expected this team to do?
Not to mention, there was never any way to know if there was even a respectable offer from the Knicks or what it would have been. You are simply assuming that.
Can we start a new thread for the people who want to waste their time writing about that we should've taken the deal at the deadline? The posts are a complete waste of time and have been proven multiple times to be short-sighted. Pretty annoyed wasting my time reading about it. The thread is supposed to be about AD trade scenarios, not what we could've done at the deadline. Maybe we should also go further back and talk about picking someone else instead of Austin Rivers. That seems like a good use of time.
Then this stance is in direct contradiction to teams not being willing to trade Zion for AD. You simply cannot say teams are unwilling to trade Zion in any AD trade but are willing to give up their pick (which has the best odds of getting Zion of any team) without any protection of the No. 1 pick and miss out on AD.
If NY wanted AD but flat out refused to give Zion for AD then they would ensure their pick was Top 1 protected. That is EXACTLY what Dallas did with their pick when they traded for Luka last year.
ESPN =Lakers TV
But how else will we reach page 200?!
And I know, I know. It's like Favre letting Strahan sack him. It feels cheap. But we are on the cusp of greatness. Future posters will sing our songs in the SKC!
But really. How much do you guys value Lavine? Would just the 4th get Lavine? 4th + Ball too steep?
AD for Lavine, Kuzma, Ingram, and future 1st?
It’s really not worth arguing whether we made the right move because we ended up with the ultimate piece in Zion by staying put. Whether it be by dumb luck or playing the best odds (and not allowing the Lakers to play their way out of the lottery with AD), the Lakers end up number 4 and the Knicks couldn’t even scrounge pick number 2. I’d say we made the right move whether it ended up this way by chance or not.
People are trying to be “logical” about this, but let’s not pretend we know what’s on the table now and what was on the table then. I’d wager it’s still all speculation and misinformation- particularly the Kuzma crap.
I could be sold on AD for Lavine + Ingram + 2021 and 2023 unprotected. Bulls get 4 plus Ball. Lakers get to keep Kuzma but the future picks have potential for us. We get two young quality starters that have potential to get better- maybe even significantly so. Sure, it's risky but it always was going to be anyway.
I don't want Lavine at all, much less for the 4th pick.
The salary situation is weird. Make the Lakers/Bulls trade and it's an issue. With other trades we will he scrounging for vets to fill the payroll. But will have an issue when all those rookies need to get paid. This really can go in all directions.
We can't look at the competition. We have to just dig deep. Talk about Lakers players. Fight over Demps. Continue with the trade deadline indecision. Maybe we have to get some outside help and discuss if hot dogs are actually sandwiches. But we can do this. I believe in us.
NBA source tells me the “All-Star player” being referenced when talking about Anthony Davis/Lakers scenarios and using the #4 pick to get NOLA a veteran is Bradley Beal.
— Fletcher Mackel (@FletcherWDSU) June 13, 2019
Pelicans want him in 3-team deal with LA.@FearTheBrown was first to report Beal as Pels target.@wdsu pic.twitter.com/mFZRQPsrXe
Ok this is getting stupid now. The mental gymnastics you pull is impressive. The Knicks due to a lottery system has no idea where their pick will land until the season is over and the lottery is complete. Just like they were tied for the best odds and ended up 3rd. Trading a tiny chance at Zion is not the same as winning the lottery then trading Zion. Which if they thought they could get Durant and Irving they may have done anyways.
I already addressed the protection situation. I'm sure NYK in this situation would prefer to protect the pick, but if the other team refuses then it becomes a choice that management has to make. It not as simple as do both other wise team would always protect their picks. If Demps says no protection or no deal then NYK have to decide right then.
Either way you clearly will ignore everything for the sake of being right congratulations you can have it moving on.
I've always assumed Beal was a pipe dream.
Must....not.. get hopes....up....hrrrng....
Honestly, feel very indifferent about this and after what we been through for the last 7 years of throwing away 1st round picks. Especially, Zion doesn't have perfect measurable like AD had. So, It's best to get insurance if he doesn't work out.
Plus, We start the season off with just Okafor and Zion as our bigs. Our defense is probably gonna be awful.
A rim protecting Center is looking a big hole again like it has been since Tyson left. I hope the FO has a plan to figure it out. There is Jonas Valanciunas, Lopez, and etc coming on the market. Solid vets. So, we have options. Just not any young options unless we sign and trade for Myles Turner or outright trade for Robinson.
Back to memes.
— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 13, 2019
I WILL SPEAK THIS INTO EXISTENCE. YOU HAVE NOT SEEN MY FINAL FORM https://t.co/7QzerRZi0d
Super underrated part of this is LeBron watching the Lakers struggle to complete this trade for a second time. Can't imagine what he would think if they don't pull this off
— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 13, 2019
I’m wondering if we would still get Ingram in this scenario with Beal
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I think we get Beal, Kuzma, and Hart. Maybe Ball goes to Phoenix for 6th pick or Bulls for 7th pick. Maybe Pels view picks 4-7 as same value this year? This trade could be a 4 team trade.
Screw the Lakers on any trade. They've caused us too much grief to give in now to those dirty.... Ship AD to the East, cause him inconvenience the same as he's caused us and let the annointed one get one year older. No one team is above the other, but try to tell that to the media and Laker fans.
I think you're exactly right on the calculation that needs to be run. What you seem to be missing is that people with much greater information than you (better scouting, actual knowledge of the deals being discussed) by all accounts didn't even seriously consider making a trade before the deadline. That should tell you how the calculation came out.