AD trade scenarios...

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

As I've stated already

Ingram, Ball, #4 => Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, #12 (or higher)

Waiting to do the trade gave us the best odds of getting Zion, which we did, and clearly it didn't harm the Lakers offer because even after a huge jump in the lottery the Lakers are offering all their main pieces except for Kuzma.

This also ignores the facts that the Lakers offered Ingram, Ball, #4 and Griff told them NO, he wants more. So what we end up getting for AD will be better than that offer.

In no sense of the word did waiting cost us assets.

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Waiting didn't increase our chances. Getting draft picks increased our chances.

This dude reputable?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScoopB/st...75174307958785

Also how do I embed a tweet?

https://youtu.be/QTuRpFBo6_U

Probably the most intelligent take I've seen from talking heads on the entire AD trade situation.

I'll paraphrase a few points but it's worth a watch if you're interested in the current state of trade talks.

1) If the Pelicans actually liked the #4 overall pick a deal would probably be done by now. They aren't super high on it and so are trying to get the Lakers to go get an asset they actually like for that pick.

2) they don't think Kuzma is a hold up at all. If Nola really would do the deal if they added Kuzma the deal would be done. The issue is finding value for #4.

3) they don't think Boston backs away from the trade due to any AD comments.

4) KD's injury has made Boston think an AD trade is even more important because getting AD is their path to getting Kyrie to resign.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Waiting didn't increase our chances. Getting draft picks increased our chances.

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Waiting 100% increased our chances because it allowed for all draft picks we could get to have the best odds of getting #1.

AGAIN, Look at the Lakers. If we do that trade with them they aren't tanking to end the season and we could have possibly ended up with a non lottery pick. By waiting they tanked, we sat AD as much as possible, and we both increased our chances of getting the #1 pick.

WHICH WORKED. WE GOT ZION.

I can't tell if people are being willfully ignorant or just can't admit they were wrong so they just cover their ears and pretend they don't understand anything.

to the 4th point, I dont think Kyrie will be signing. However, adding AD is always a good move as it will help create excitement to the fan base at minimum of a year which will give them time to refocus and maybe even convince him to stay. Its a good move for Boston as they have a plenty of picks to basically risk.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Waiting 100% increased our chances because it allowed for all draft picks we could get to have the best odds of getting #1.

AGAIN, Look at the Lakers. If we do that trade with them they aren't tanking to end the season and we could have possibly ended up with a non lottery pick. By waiting they tanked, we sat AD as much as possible, and we both increased our chances of getting the #1 pick.

WHICH WORKED. WE GOT ZION.

I can't tell if people are being willfully ignorant or just can't admit they were wrong so they just cover their ears and pretend they don't understand anything.

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Exactly. Its the butterfly effect where a decision influenced everything just so in the perfect way to place us in that #1 spot. Either way, its a nice view up here.

7 days to the draft so a decision soon would be great. I'd prefer any trade that is more future trades heavy and 1 really solid starter with a solid backup.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Waiting 100% increased our chances because it allowed for all draft picks we could get to have the best odds of getting #1.

AGAIN, Look at the Lakers. If we do that trade with them they aren't tanking to end the season and we could have possibly ended up with a non lottery pick. By waiting they tanked, we sat AD as much as possible, and we both increased our chances of getting the #1 pick.

WHICH WORKED. WE GOT ZION.

I can't tell if people are being willfully ignorant or just can't admit they were wrong so they just cover their ears and pretend they don't understand anything.

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Injuries ruined the Lakers season. Either Lakers or Knicks would have been just as bad with Davis after trading away the team.

Lol at willful ignorance. That seems to be coming from your side where I'm standing. We hit a 6% chance and everyone is like see that was the most probable outcome. Lol ok clearly not everyone understands math. Arguing from hindsight is everyone superpowers.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Injuries ruined the Lakers season. Either Lakers or Knicks would have been just as bad with Davis after trading away the team.

Lol at willful ignorance. That seems to be coming from your side where I'm standing. We hit a 6% chance and everyone is like see that was the most probable outcome. Lol ok clearly not everyone understands math. Arguing from hindsight is everyone superpowers.

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To be fair, I see your point of the math being the same. Think of it this way...say the lottery was based on chairs in a room. Everyone has a chair. Now you go to sit down but say the chair has a stain in it so you are like oh hell no so you sit in the next chair. Some how you win the lottery sitting in that chair. Now your odds never changed but the circumstances of pulling that number would of only happened if for not that little poop poop stain in the initial chair you were going to sit in.

hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by Hoochican

Does this help lessen the blow for the Celtics to trade Tatum to the Pels? Ha ha ha

Jayson Tatum Angers Boston Fans By Celebrating St. Louis Blues Stanley Cup Title https://thebiglead.com/2019/06/12/ja...y-cup-celtics/ via @thebiglead

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That guy is a Blues fan?!

(Immediately becomes worse than Lakers assets)

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Waiting 100% increased our chances because it allowed for all draft picks we could get to have the best odds of getting #1.

AGAIN, Look at the Lakers. If we do that trade with them they aren't tanking to end the season and we could have possibly ended up with a non lottery pick. By waiting they tanked, we sat AD as much as possible, and we both increased our chances of getting the #1 pick.

WHICH WORKED. WE GOT ZION.

I can't tell if people are being willfully ignorant or just can't admit they were wrong so they just cover their ears and pretend they don't understand anything.

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WHICH doesn't even take conspiracy theories into account. We are getting shellacked and then all of a sudden pull off an improbable lotto win. The Lakers need assets and BOOM they make the leap......c'mon guys.....had we traded pretrade deadline and controlled both picks, the NBA mafia would not have raised both picks so high.

Good morning everyone!

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Good morning everyone!

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good morning it is as we patiently await more news

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Injuries ruined the Lakers season. Either Lakers or Knicks would have been just as bad with Davis after trading away the team.

Lol at willful ignorance. That seems to be coming from your side where I'm standing. We hit a 6% chance and everyone is like see that was the most probable outcome. Lol ok clearly not everyone understands math. Arguing from hindsight is everyone superpowers.

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If the Lakers made the trade for AD they would have had zero reasons to tank because they already gave away their pick to us this year.

It wasn't just about hitting the 6% chance. It was about having the best chance at getting Zion. We do a deal with the Lakers who don't tank and squeak into the playoffs as an 8 seed and suddenly that #4 pick is #15/16. By not trading AD at the deadline we could negotiate with WHOEVER won the draft. You're only looking at our 6% odds and ignoring everything else not trading AD did to help increase our chances of getting Zion.

Yes, being unable to grasp this is willful ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

To be fair, I see your point of the math being the same. Think of it this way...say the lottery was based on chairs in a room. Everyone has a chair. Now you go to sit down but say the chair has a stain in it so you are like oh hell no so you sit in the next chair. Some how you win the lottery sitting in that chair. Now your odds never changed but the circumstances of pulling that number would of only happened if for not that little poop poop stain in the initial chair you were going to sit in.

hope that helps.

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I think some people are arguing because the best case scenario played out therefore that was the most logical play. Ignoring that we will never know how changing anything would impact the end results. The most logical thing to do was to get as many ping pong balls we could by securing as many high end lotto picks we could.

At the time people thought waiting for the Celtics would equal a better deal. The rumors have the Lakers taking Kuzma off the table and Boston deal isn't what Ainge offered Demps to get him to wait.

Advocate article, It might be better for Griff to be patient

Column:

After some quiet months, the smoke is back.

Trade scenarios, demands and partners fill the air, yet there’s still no fire.

When is the best time for David Griffin to strike, and finally end the AD era in New Orleans?https://t.co/4AGRZHYHez

— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) June 13, 2019

Waiting till the last second could be our biggest benefit.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I think some people are arguing because the best case scenario played out therefore that was the most logical play. Ignoring that we will never know how changing anything would impact the end results. The most logical thing to do was to get as many ping pong balls we could by securing as many high end lotto picks we could.

At the time people thought waiting for the Celtics would equal a better deal. The rumors have the Lakers taking Kuzma off the table and Boston deal isn't what Ainge offered Demps to get him to wait.

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That may very well be the case but what can you do now.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

If the Lakers made the trade for AD they would have had zero reasons to tank because they already gave away their pick to us this year.

It wasn't just about hitting the 6% chance. It was about having the best chance at getting Zion. We do a deal with the Lakers who don't tank and squeak into the playoffs as an 8 seed and suddenly that #4 pick is #15/16. By not trading AD at the deadline we could negotiate with WHOEVER won the draft. You're only looking at our 6% odds and ignoring everything else not trading AD did to help increase our chances of getting Zion.

Yes, being unable to grasp this is willful ignorance.

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The best chance to get Zion was to trade AD to the Knicks before the deadline. I'd add to that moving Jrue to PHX for there pick if that was something possible. That would have given this franchise the maximum amount of shots at Williamson.

Your scenario falsely assumes teams would have traded the number 1 pick once they knew they already had the number 1 pick. Knicks may just say f it and run with Zion. Lakers may do the same on the off chance they win. And those were the only two teams that had a chance to win that would legitimately considered making the deal.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

So the reported offer was Porzingis, Knox, and this year unprotected pick. After the Dallas trade the rumor was Knox, Robinson, Ntilikina, unprotected pick, and the picks they got from Dallas. I can't find anything that's falls under official sources report, but come on if they were willing to move their dollar for 75cents you don't think they're willing to trade that 75cents for a dollar?

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There are plenty of things that I think, but I cannot claim they offered it all if it was not even reported anywhere. As a matter of fact, it was reported that they were not willing to part with the #3 pick. Do I believe that? No. But how can I claim they offered everything just based on what i believe?

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Advocate article, It might be better for Griff to be patient

Column:

After some quiet months, the smoke is back.

Trade scenarios, demands and partners fill the air, yet there’s still no fire.

When is the best time for David Griffin to strike, and finally end the AD era in New Orleans?https://t.co/4AGRZHYHez

— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) June 13, 2019

Waiting till the last second could be our biggest benefit.

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Waiting can have a benefit but its higher risk. Even waiting to the All-Star break is a possible as some team that is looking to make a deep playoff run will be willing to put some next year assets up to acquire him for the remainder of the contract. Higher risk but its always an option.

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Originally Posted by Smow-

This dude reputable?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScoopB/st...75174307958785

Also how do I embed a tweet?

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Hope not.

LOL

We don’t know when the J. Cole album is dropping https://t.co/dqC93xvip8

— New Orleans Pelicans (@PelicansNBA) June 13, 2019

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

The best chance to get Zion was to trade AD to the Knicks before the deadline. I'd add to that moving Jrue to PHX for there pick if that was something possible. That would have given this franchise the maximum amount of shots at Williamson.

Your scenario falsely assumes teams would have traded the number 1 pick once they knew they already had the number 1 pick. Knicks may just say f it and run with Zion. Lakers may do the same on the off chance they win. And those were the only two teams that had a chance to win that would legitimately considered making the deal.

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You're not even worth the time if you can't grasp the concept of trading with 1 team before we know anything is worse odds than having the ability to trade with all teams after we know where everyone is at.

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

That may very well be the case but what can you do now.

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Be happy we won the golden ticket draft Zion. Trade AD for the best future assets available, move Jrue for the same. Build the team around Williamson slowly and methodically so we have a great supporting cast when he's reaching his peak in the next 3-7 years.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

There are plenty of things that I think, but I cannot claim they offered it all if it was not even reported anywhere. As a matter of fact, it was reported that they were not willing to part with the #3 pick. Do I believe that? No. But how can I claim they offered everything just based on what i believe?

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The Porzingis deal was reported. That deal included their unprotected pick.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Be happy we won the golden ticket draft Zion. Trade AD for the best future assets available, move Jrue for the same. Build the team around Williamson slowly and methodically so we have a great supporting cast when he's reaching his peak in the next 3-7 years.

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Griff and the Pels have already said they aren't going to do that. They are pushing for the playoffs THIS season. Agree, disagree, none of it matters because the organization has been crystal clear about what the plans going forward are. No point discussing a slow rebuild because that's not in the cards at all.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

You're not even worth the time if you can't grasp the concept of trading with 1 team before we know anything is worse odds than having the ability to trade with all teams after we know where everyone is at.

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Same to you if you don't realize that teams aren't trading the best prospect since LeBron James for a one year rental of Anthony Davis. Other then the Lakers maybe the Knicks who else would have done this? So you are still banking on a less than 20% chance that either team wins the lotto. And again depending on how the confident the Knicks felt about Durant they may not have moved Williamson for Davis.

I’d be very surprised if a trade happens on the same day as a Finals game. And for the most part I lean towards Griff and Lakers having a framework in place for a deal that will be executed as soon as the finals end. If someone comes in with a better offer than Lakers before that, I think Griff will go back to Lakers and see if they can beat it. The KD situation increases the anxiety in the market, so maybe someone takes the risk to pair AD with Kyrie.

Lakers are still -500 to have AD at start of season. The other options are the Knicks/Pels. But the bet I like is +1000 on the field, with Celtics, Nets, Blazers, Hawks, out there as teams in the field that could cash that bet for me. If I could get good odds on Nets straight up, I’d consider that bet too.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Griff and the Pels have already said they aren't going to do that. They are pushing for the playoffs THIS season. Agree, disagree, none of it matters because the organization has been crystal clear about what the plans going forward are. No point discussing a slow rebuild because that's not in the cards at all.

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Again what we will do and what we should do aren't necessarily the same things. Griffin is about to make the same mistake that got Demps fired. It's his job, but I don't have to agree.

Side note you don't get to tell other people what's worth discussing.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I’d be very surprised if a trade happens on the same day as a Finals game. And for the most part I lean towards Griff and Lakers having a framework in place for a deal that will be executed as soon as the finals end. If someone comes in with a better offer than Lakers before that, I think Griff will go back to Lakers and see if they can beat it. The KD situation increases the anxiety in the market, so maybe someone takes the risk to pair AD with Kyrie.

Lakers are still -500 to have AD at start of season. The other options are the Knicks/Pels. But the bet I like is +1000 on the field, with Celtics, Nets, Blazers, Hawks, out there as teams in the field that could cash that bet for me. If I could get good odds on Nets straight up, I’d consider that bet too.

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I doubt Adam Silver would try to stall any trades now.

oh snap page 100!

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Same to you if you don't realize that teams aren't trading the best prospect since LeBron James for a one year rental of Anthony Davis. Other then the Lakers maybe the Knicks who else would have done this? So you are still banking on a less than 20% chance that either team wins the lotto. And again depending on how the confident the Knicks felt about Durant they may not have moved Williamson for Davis.

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This is so stupid. If teams aren't willing to trade Zion then why would they have traded us an unprotected pick before the deadline? If they weren't going to be willing to deal Zion ANY pick we got would have been top 1 protected so your entire argument is irrelevant because our only chance would be to win it ourselves and the best way to do that is to not trade AD and sit him as much as possible to lose games.

So either world we live in, the world where no one was trading Zion or the world where teams might be willing to trade Zion our best odds were TO WAIT.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Advocate article, It might be better for Griff to be patient

Column:

After some quiet months, the smoke is back.

Trade scenarios, demands and partners fill the air, yet there’s still no fire.

When is the best time for David Griffin to strike, and finally end the AD era in New Orleans?https://t.co/4AGRZHYHez

— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) June 13, 2019

Waiting till the last second could be our biggest benefit.

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Could pigeon hole us in a corner too, where we get less . I’d take the Best deal before the draft that we can get and move on .


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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Again what we will do and what we should do aren't necessarily the same things. Griffin is about to make the same mistake that got Demps fired. It's his job, but I don't have to agree.

Side note you don't get to tell other people what's worth discussing.

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It makes sense you'd want to waste time discussing something that the organization has already come out and said will not happen.

Like I said it's not a matter of agreeing with the course of action or disagreeing with it. I'd rather a slow rebuild as well. But Griff, Gentry, and the entire organization has already come out and said their plan is for the playoffs next year.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Same to you if you don't realize that teams aren't trading the best prospect since LeBron James for a one year rental of Anthony Davis. Other then the Lakers maybe the Knicks who else would have done this? So you are still banking on a less than 20% chance that either team wins the lotto. And again depending on how the confident the Knicks felt about Durant they may not have moved Williamson for Davis.

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Because it didn’t happen, people also seem to discount that we risked a KD - like injury to our best asset by not trading him at the deadline. I told folks the league would make us play him, and there were several pages of folks telling me I was crazy and that couldn’t happen.

We should have been tanking after the deadline, and instead we literally lessened our odds of winning the lottery.

That we won the lottery is great, so like I’ve said I wouldn’t change a thing.

But like I tell my 3 year old son, even though you didn’t get hurt, if you don’t understand why running down the stairs in socks is dangerous, you’re going to eventually have a bad accident.

I have a bad feeling that when the final trade is announced, we we will be very disappointed. There have been rumors of the Lakers not wanting to include all of their assets and even rumors of the Celtics not wanting to include Tatum. We may get less than 50 cents on the dollar for AD.

NO ONE discounted the risk of AD getting injured. I was just as furious as anyone that the NBA threatened picks being taken if we sat AD.

STOP trying to paint people who argued waiting in some false light. It's simply not true. I acknowledged all risks involved. The entire point was the benefits to not trading AD outweighed the risks. And look...thise benefits that we said outweighed the risks... THEY PAID OFF.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/...21aeapq5aoevp3

Any chance of intel that he could fall? I highly doubt it. But, if so, could the Pels be monitoring that?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I have a bad feeling that when the final trade is announced, we will be very disappointed. There have been rumors of the Lakers not wanting to include all of their assets and even rumors of the Celtics not wanting to include Tatum. We may get less than 50 cents on the dollar for AD.

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To be fair neither team has stellar assets to start with. They all have some problem and/or lacking severely in one area or another. Doing a trade which has 1 solid star combined with now and future picks is a better long term strategy for us.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

This is so stupid. If teams aren't willing to trade Zion then why would they have traded us an unprotected pick before the deadline? If they weren't going to be willing to deal Zion ANY pick we got would have been top 1 protected so your entire argument is irrelevant because our only chance would be to win it ourselves and the best way to do that is to not trade AD and sit him as much as possible to lose games.

So either world we live in, the world where no one was trading Zion or the world where teams might be willing to trade Zion our best odds were TO WAIT.

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Cause unlike you they didn't have the power of hindsight. The Knicks at best had a 14% chance of winning Zion. AD was a bird in the hand Williamson was the two in the Bush. Same for Suns, Bulls, etc. even the Lakers. Once you know you have the 2 birds in the bushes now things change in term of bargaining. Have you never watched Let's make a Deal? The curtain could be a car or it could be a zonk. The min the person knows it's their dream car you'd have a hard time getting them to give it back for a chance at another car.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/...21aeapq5aoevp3

Any chance of intel that he could fall? I highly doubt it. But, if so, could the Pels be monitoring that?

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I couldn't imagine. That'd be crazy for Memphis to pass.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I have a bad feeling that when the final trade is announced, we we will be very disappointed. There have been rumors of the Lakers not wanting to include all of their assets and even rumors of the Celtics not wanting to include Tatum. We may get less than 50 cents on the dollar for AD.

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If all we end up with is Ingram, Ball, #4, filler then that's still as good of a package as the Lakers presented at the trade deadline.

The fact that Griff turned that package down and wants more should be telling about where the other offers are at.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

It makes sense you'd want to waste time discussing something that the organization has already come out and said will not happen.

Like I said it's not a matter of agreeing with the course of action or disagreeing with it. I'd rather a slow rebuild as well. But Griff, Gentry, and the entire organization has already come out and said their plan is for the playoffs next year.

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It's a sports forum. How much do you think what gets discussed here has an actual chance of happening? That does not mean it's not worth discussing. Disagreeing with management is worth it especially considering this is Griffin's 1st year.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Cause unlike you they didn't have the power of hindsight. The Knicks at best had a 14% chance of winning Zion. AD was a bird in the hand Williamson was the two in the Bush. Same for Suns, Bulls, etc. even the Lakers. Once you know you have the 2 birds in the bushes now things change in term of bargaining. Have you never watched Let's make a Deal? The curtain could be a car or it could be a zonk. The min the person knows it's their dream car you'd have a hard time getting them to give it back for a chance at another car.

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Teams are unwilling to trade Zion for AD.

Teams are willing to not put top 1 protection (for Zion) on their pick they're giving up for AD.

Those two lines of reason simply do not add up. Either teams were unwilling, at all, under any circumstances to trade for Zion OR they were willing to trade Zion.

Your entire premise is wrong because teams have the ability put protection on what's behind the curtain to ensure they don't give away the car. They were unwilling to give up.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

It's a sports forum. How much do you think what gets discussed here has an actual chance of happening? That does not mean it's not worth discussing. Disagreeing with management is worth it especially considering this is Griffin's 1st year.

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Then I'd say moving it to a thread about disagreeing with Griffin's management is the place and not a thread about trading AD.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

NO ONE discounted the risk of AD getting injured. I was just as furious as anyone that the NBA threatened picks being taken if we sat AD.

STOP trying to paint people who argued waiting in some false light. It's simply not true. I acknowledged all risks involved. The entire point was the benefits to not trading AD outweighed the risks. And look...thise benefits that we said outweighed the risks... THEY PAID OFF.

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Not true. Winning the lottery - with worse odds if we don’t go full tank - was never the predicted outcome or stated by anyone as a benefit of not trading AD. We got lucky. Getting lucky wasn’t the master plan!

According to you and others, we waited because the Celtics needed to bid and were going to offer everything which would at the very least drive the price up. That was why all of you said you wanted to wait. I, MOSTLY ALONE, said Kyrie would let the world know he was bouncing and that wouldn’t turn out at all the way you expected it to. Which is exactly what has happened.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Not true. Winning the lottery - with worse odds if we don’t go full tank - was never the predicted outcome or stated by anyone as a benefit of not trading AD. We got lucky. Getting lucky wasn’t the master plan!

According to you and others, we waited because the Celtics needed to bid and were going to offer everything which would at the very least drive the price up. That was why all of you said you wanted to wait. I, MOSTLY ALONE, said Kyrie would let the world know he was bouncing and that wouldn’t turn out at all the way you expected it to. Which is exactly what has happened.

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Even with the advantage of hindsight, no logical person can say that it was not the right move for management to wait until the summer to take all offers rather than be railroaded by one team 10 days prior to the deadline. This allowed all teams to formulate offers and explore multi-team deals and just as importantly allow much more flexibility to make a deal with respect to roster sizes and salary cap. So, I am not sure why you continue to pound your chest and claim you were right.,

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Not true. Winning the lottery - with worse odds if we don’t go full tank - was never the predicted outcome or stated by anyone as a benefit of not trading AD. We got lucky. Getting lucky wasn’t the master plan!

According to you and others, we waited because the Celtics needed to bid and were going to offer everything which would at the very least drive the price up. That was why all of you said you wanted to wait. I, MOSTLY ALONE, said Kyrie would let the world know he was bouncing and that wouldn’t turn out at all the way you expected it to. Which is exactly what has happened.

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Wish you could tell the future of this trade so we can know what is going to happen.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Even with the advantage of hindsight, no logical person can say that it was not the right move for management to wait until the summer to take all offers rather than be railroaded by one team 10 days prior to the deadline. This allowed all teams to formulate offers and explore multi-team deals and just as importantly allow much more flexibility to make a deal with respect to roster sizes and salary cap. So, I am not sure why you continue to pound your chest and claim you were right.,

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I value Lakers players more than how they’re trashed here. Getting all of Kuzma/Zubac/Ingram/Lonzo plus 2 future first round picks, IMO, was ALWAYS going to be more than anyone was willing to offer, no matter how long we waited.

I’ve sold real assets before. There is always a theoretical better offer out there, but when you can get a good deal and good value, you always take it. Especially when you know you can’t hold the asset indefinitely waiting for that better offer that may or may not materialize.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Skip Bayless. He tweeted that Griffin should do the deal with L.A. BUT make them PAY. Give him everything. Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, the #4 and whatever else.

So.....Zach Lowe is reporting the Bulls would do LaVine for the 4th pick.

Even if not reliable, just to give us new convo, how you guys feel about LaVine?