December 19th - New Orleans Pelicans vs Memphis Grizzlies - 16-11

The worst part is, I’m sick and I’m taking tomorrow off. I planned on watching sports recap shows all day, but not now.

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

I know it’s just one game, but I truly don’t think this current roster is a championship team

it’s not like wine where aging with time it’s just going to somehow magically help us become a championship team…

The roster needs a shake up

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I agree but this game should have said absolutely nothing other than this was one of the most blatant rigging you will ever see. The article is already front page ESPN.

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

If the NBA is rigged, how come no retired referees ever came out in public about it? Did they sign some sort of death contract?

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One ref did.

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

If the NBA is rigged, how come no retired referees ever came out in public about it? Did they sign some sort of death contract?

You would think someone by now would’ve said something in regards to spilling the beans

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You really think this story tale comeback from 24 points and a guy just running free to the paint without some of the best defenders in the league being even able to breathe on him, is coincidence? No way lol

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Trey got 21 minutes that's about right for him. He just wasn't very effective with his time. I agree they need to draw up looks for him more intentionally because team aren't leaving him open and he can't get himself open. Maybe he should work on off ball movement more

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It is absolutely not about right for him.

The dude spots up from 30 feet, if you can't run a DHO or a simple screening action to create separation 30 feet from the hoop your offense is broken.

Trey is a superstar in the making: an all-star level talent whose shooting changes things for this team. This team's record when Trey gets up at least 8 attempts from 3 is mind-boggling, worth looking up if you're ever bored. To have a coach who thinks 20 minutes is fine and we don't have to run anything for him is a joke.

Dyson Daniels should have played more (led team w +18)

CJ is a moron for taking a three when we needed one

I genuinely feel bad for the Pels after this. They got dealt a really bad hand and I hope they don’t let it make them start slipping. Just keep playing the same. A victory would have happened any other night.

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Originally Posted by donato

and was a usual choke artist with chucker shots at the end and no defense all game. get him outta here.

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End of the game Ja was going at Herb no problem. I actually agree with you that I don't want him taking the final shot of the game but there is a lot he does well. He was definitely one of our best players this game.

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

Dyson Daniels should have played more (led team w +18)

CJ is a moron for taking a three when we needed one

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Both of his threes were wide freaking open. He should have taken those shots. Unfortunately he got the heeby jeebies.

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

If the NBA is rigged, how come no retired referees ever came out in public about it? Did they sign some sort of death contract?

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*ahem*

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Timothy Francis Donaghy (/ˈdɒnəɡi/; born January 7, 1967)[2] is a former professional basketball referee who worked in the National Basketball Association (NBA) for 13 seasons from 1994 to 2007 until he was caught in a gambling scandal.[3] During his career in the NBA, Donaghy officiated in 772 regular season games and 26 playoff games.[3]

Donaghy resigned from the league on July 9, 2007,[4] after reports of an investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for allegations that he bet on games that he officiated during his last two seasons and that he made calls that affected the point spread in those games.[5] Donaghy later admitted to betting on games he officiated in each of the 2003–04, 2004–05, 2005–06, and 2006–07 seasons.[6] On August 15, 2007, Donaghy pleaded guilty to two federal charges related to the investigation

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

It is absolutely not about right for him.

The dude spots up from 30 feet, if you can't run a DHO or a simple screening action to create separation 30 feet from the hoop your offense is broken.

Trey is a superstar in the making: an all-star level talent whose shooting changes things for this team. This team's record when Trey gets up at least 8 attempts from 3 is mind-boggling, worth looking up if you're ever bored. To have a coach who thinks 20 minutes is fine and we don't have to run anything for him is a joke.

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Your version of superstars, so far, pales on big stages when the bright lights are on.

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

CJ is a moron for taking a three when we needed one

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Who was the player who brought the ball up on that possession? We could have gotten a 2 for 1 but they slow walked it up and left Ja with the final shot.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

You really think this story tale comeback from 24 points and a guy just running free to the paint without some of the best defenders in the league being even able to breathe on him, is coincidence? No way lol

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No, I just wanna know how come it was never was leaked by any retired referees if true

Zion had three rebounds. I know foul trouble was a factor, and maybe illness was a factor, but come one. I saw him have a good rebounding half in the last game (or the one before that I forget). So I know when his energy level is up he can do it. But there has been too many games where his energy level has sucked. I’m tired of watching him flat footed under the basket.

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

No, I just wanna know how come it was never was leaked by any retired referees if true

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Not familiar with Tim Donaghy?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

*ahem*

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I’m sure there is much more than just this guy too. Some people just don’t want to burn bridges so they decide to be hush. The midseason tournament is rigged and this sh*t was rigged. It’s become a soap opera and a story writing thing now. It’s all about headlines. This one they just couldn’t resist. A game winner by a moron that was suspended 25 games for doing the same thing over and over. Let’s reward his hardships with 20 free throws and a game winner cause the other team isn’t even allowed to guard him.

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

No, I just wanna know how come it was never was leaked by any retired referees if true

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As I posted to you before, an NBA ref has literally done jail time after an FBI investigation where he admitted to fixing games for multiple seasons.

This happens.

Trey is a great spot up shooter from deep. But his contributions beyond that need work, right now he is more of a 1 dimensional specialist than a super star. And he isn't getting enough shots up, but why is it everyone else's fault and not his? He needs to keep working off ball to get looks rather than just stand there.

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

Not familiar with Tim Donaghy?

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I thought He just had bet on games? His free will.

That isn’t the same as NBA is forcing the refs to make sure a team wins. How come no retired refs have ever came out regarding the league forcing a specific team to win?

It’s two total different situations. Unless I am mistaken?

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

I’m sure there is much more than just this guy too. Some people just don’t want to burn bridges so they decide to be hush. The midseason tournament is rigged and this sh*t was rigged. It’s become a soap opera and a story writing thing now. It’s all about headlines. This one they just couldn’t resist. A game winner by a moron that was suspended 25 games for doing the same thing over and over. Let’s reward his hardships with 20 free throws and a game winner cause the other team isn’t even allowed to guard him.

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If there's one, there's a dozen. Donaghy himself admitted that his tip-offs included games he didn't even officiate himself, which only makes sense if he had some way of knowing how other refs were going to call things.

There is plenty of reason for thinking that, while the refs are probably not all corrupt, and not every game is fixed, big name, national TV games where there's narratives at play and big money on the line are tilted by the refs.

If you’re going to blame someone for rigging the game, blame Willie. He had no feel for the game in the second half. Exact opposite of the Charlotte game.

If Ja gets reffed the same way for the rest of the year, they may not lose a game.

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

He bet on games. His free will.

That isn’t the same as NBA is forcing the refs to make sure a team wins. How come no refs have ever came out regarding the league forcing a specific team to win?

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Actually look up Donaghy. He didn't individually bet on games.

He gave bettors inside knowledge on games he didn't even officiate, because he knew how those games were being called.

He has openly said that the NBA would instruct them to call certain players differently than others, and that played into his rigging of games.

He didn't just individually bet, he was part of a large, ongoing game-rigging scheme with other refs for years. You think he was the only one?

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

I thought He just had bet on games? His free will.

That isn’t the same as NBA is forcing the refs to make sure a team wins. How come no refs have ever came out regarding the league forcing a specific team to win?

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I’m pretty sure Donaghy said that the Kings Lakers WC semis was rigged. The NBA just used his gambling problems to discredit him. Maybe all the refs have that in their closet for all I know, so the NBA can keep their thumb on them.

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

If you’re going to blame someone for rigging the game, blame Willie. He had no feel for the game in the second half. Exact opposite of the Charlotte game.

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Can’t blame him for this one. What do you tell your team when they can’t play defense or get fouls called for them? I don’t like Willie at all, but this right here was a very sad situation for any man to have to endure. He cares about his team and to watch them get battered by a referee to feed a script will really sting.

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

Zion had three rebounds. I know foul trouble was a factor, and maybe illness was a factor, but come one. I saw him have a good rebounding half in the last game (or the one before that I forget). So I know when his energy level is up he can do it. But there has been too many games where his energy level has sucked. I’m tired of watching him flat footed under the basket.

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He's a spectator on defense...always has been. That's why Willie has gone offense-defense with him late in some recent games. Really only plays one side of the court and everyone knows it (including his # 1 jock supporter).

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Actually look up Donaghy. He didn't individually bet on games.

He gave bettors inside knowledge on games he didn't even officiate, because he knew how those games were being called.

He has openly said that the NBA would instruct them to call certain players differently than others, and that played into his rigging of games.

He didn't just individually bet, he was part of a large, ongoing game-rigging scheme with other refs for years. You think he was the only one?

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Oh…then my mistake.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

Can’t blame him for this one. What do you tell your team when they can’t play defense or get fouls called for them? I don’t like Willie at all, but this right here was a very sad situation for any man to have to endure. He cares about his team and to watch them get battered by a referee to feed a script will really sting.

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Sorry, he should have sat Zion for extended periods in the 4th and play Dyson to try and cool down Morant. He was their only real scoring option and we had no one on the court that could check him.

Regardless, we still gave up 24 points lead… not excusable at all

I BEEN TOLD YALL WE LOVE GETTING OUR ********** PUSHED IN!! POVERTY PELS 4EVER

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Originally Posted by As I See It

He's a spectator on defense...always has been. That's why Willie has gone offense-defense with him late in some recent games. Really only plays one side of the court and everyone knows it (including his # 1 jock supporter).

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He certainly has defensive limitations, he always will. Rebounding is purely effort though. His activity this year is much lower than this time last year. I assume that his weight is a factor.

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

He certainly has defensive limitations, he always will. Rebounding is purely effort though. His activity this year is much lower than this time last year. I assume that his weight is a factor.

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Agree with every word of your post (especially what I highlighted)

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

Sorry, he should have sat Zion for extended periods in the 4th and play Dyson to try and cool down Morant. He was their only real scoring option and we had no one on the court that could check him.

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I mean yeah you can blame him but what good is it. He’s not a good coach.

So. Guys.

Where do we go from here?

Need some advice.

This game really made me sad

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

So. Guys.

Where do we go from here?

Need some advice.

This game really made me sad

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To mediocrity where we will always be under Willie Green. They have the roster and now they need the coach. A whole lot of their losing is the way this guy manages rotations and reads the game. He can’t adjust on the fly at all. He makes sporadic substitutions and waits way too long to call timeouts. Memphis just seemed to adjust at halftime and Willie can’t do that. This team has now blown 7 double digit leads this year. That’s extremely bad. It screams that when a team adjusts, Willie can’t.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

To mediocrity where we will always be under Willie Green. They have the roster and now they need the coach.

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Who would you want as the HC?

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

Who would you want as the HC?

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I’d rather Borrego than Green. I really think Borrego would have them with 20 plus wins right now.
It’s the really simple things that Borrego did in the game he coached, that Green hasn’t done since he been here. Need to take the substitution authority and lineup management out of Greens hands. He just needs to be an assistant. I mean it’s non sense. Any other coach would have doubled Ja or at least taken the ball out his hands. They Would have definitely adjusted something, but we watched the same thing over and over for 20 straight minutes and Willie did absolutely nothing.

Treat Tucker as an expiring, take a wait and see approach on Olynyk. I'm sure the Jazz would do a great job flipping CJ. Fine, whatever.

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Originally Posted by donato

Treat Tucker as an expiring, take a wait and see approach on Olynyk. I'm sure the Jazz would do a great job flipping CJ. Fine, whatever.

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This one has us all hurting cause it’s exhausting. I know.

Hahahaha LOL - typical Pelicans collapse. We should win by +20 but We lose by 2 points :idoh:

So, the refs killed us obviously and we couldn't do anything about that. Herb didn't even try to be more agressive on that last play because he knew they will blow the whistle for anything.
That said:

- we lost 24 point lead and its not the first time. It is happening over and over again, and we have to put the blame on Willie
- our rebounding suck, it is just pure effort. Most blame should be on Zion but even when he was on the bench we couldn't secure rebounds and we didn't fight for loose balls
- we could have easily went for 2 for 1 at the end, yes it wasn't a lot of time, but letting the clock tick and attack in last 4 seconds isnt a better option. We could use those 4 seconds and have opportunity for one more shot, that is also on Willie

Of our 12 losses (so far) we gave up a double digit lead seven times. It ain't because we are playing:

DEFENSE...DEFENSE...DEFENSE!!!

And btw. why the ******** didn't we get the ball out of Ja's hands? I would rather have Santi Aldama shot wide open three then let Ja attack the paint with the kind of whistle they got? That is also on Willie...

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

Both of his threes were wide freaking open. He should have taken those shots. Unfortunately he got the heeby jeebies.

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You have a point, but our best two player's strengths are taking it to the rim (zion) and taking it to his spot (Ingram) and both of these scenarios could very well end up with a foul being called.
Memphis didn't come down and chuck it up cause they would have missed also

The game is not rigged. The Pelicans choked. 7th time this happened. Learn to finish games. Otherwise you got no chance in playoffs.

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Originally Posted by donato

Treat Tucker as an expiring, take a wait and see approach on Olynyk. I'm sure the Jazz would do a great job flipping CJ. Fine, whatever.

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Lauri alone would cost teams 1 good young prospect and at least 2 1st for himself..adding in Kessler and a serviceable big in Olynyk would cost us more. Cj and larry are negative value and kira is looking like an expiring contract right now.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

The game is not rigged. The Pelicans choked. 7th time this happened. Learn to finish games. Otherwise you got no chance in playoffs.

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Both can be true.... The game was 90% tilted toward Memphis by the Refs, and we choked the other 10%. Zion, Herb, Trey and Jonas could not buy a whistle in the 2nd half for contact many times harder than what Morant was being sent to the line over and over. Only Ingram was given reasonable treatment. We basically got one bad call in our favor on Byombo, but half a dozen bad calls in theirs, not counting 3 of the 4 quick ones at the start of the game to "set the tone" and sit Zion. The later one on Herb where Bane slipped on his one-man break was particularly ridiculous. Both challenges should have been upheld, but you can't challenge 6 bad calls....

As for the choking, we fumbled a number of passes, CJ badly missed a couple of 3s, and we missed a number of layups. Once the pattern of ref bias is established for the game, it's hard to be at your best. I have to hand it to Ingram who was awesome in the 2nd half.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

And of course.

You know, I said in the OP I would be mad if we lost this game. I am mad. But only about 50% of that irritation is pointed at the players.

The other 50% is going to the refs. Pathetic. They think we can't tell when they're doing it on purpose.

- Zion with 2 fouls in the first 2 minutes, both BS fouls. The minute he comes back in in the 2nd quarter, another BS foul to sit him again.
- BI gets fouled by JJJ about 40 times in the 4th quarter, no whistle at all.
- Herb gets called for a foul because someone fell down within 5 feet of him.
- JV almost fouled out despite playing entirely conservative defense.

What a joke. Trash officiating.

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The issue is not us knowing but no one can do anything about it. Rigging sucks. Wish we can sue the NFL and NBA over fixing games.

Ja Morant is everything we wanted from Zion. We have yet to see that from Zion.

we need to get someone in here that likes to rebound....jonas need help real bad...

cj was cooking then we went away from him...i honestly believe that cj forced those 2 wild shots in the 4th because he was salty that he was not getting any shots after he was hot earlier in the half...

3pt shooting wasnt on....it was like memphis said, ingram can get his but we are going to run the 3pt shooters off the line..gang up on zion and beat them on second chance points....

we need another rebounder...