Again, it's not about lumping them all in together. It's about removing this presumption of infallibility. It's about making them just as accountable for their actions as the average citizen.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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08-04-2021, 02:13 PMDarkHornet
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08-04-2021, 02:23 PMmsusousaphone
Can we all pause for a bit to appreciate that there's a guy named LAWLESS stanning for cops.
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08-04-2021, 02:29 PMPELICANSFANWas there another video? The one I saw was only 33 seconds long (or 37).Quote:
Originally Posted by pelafanatic
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08-04-2021, 02:30 PMPELICANSFAN:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by msusousaphone
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08-04-2021, 02:31 PMlawless522No one is suggesting otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHornet
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08-04-2021, 02:36 PMDarkHornetBut it's not the reality we live in. That's why the outrage.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawless522
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08-04-2021, 02:42 PMmsusousaphoneI would even make the argument that they should be punished more harshly than a civilion in legal matters. Most other professions are severely punished for abuse of power. That they get slaps on the wrist is insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHornet
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08-04-2021, 03:00 PMlawless522Complete mischaracterization of “stanning” aside, awesome observational humor, snarky optimistic guy! You’re a regular Larry David. Keep that witty insight coming!Quote:
Originally Posted by msusousaphone
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08-04-2021, 03:10 PMDroopyDawg
Are we just gonna ignore the cops attacking the camera guy at the end that wasn't doing anything but filming?
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08-04-2021, 03:25 PMmsusousaphoneI think I'm allowed a misuse of slang handicap of 3.5 due to age. That should put it within bounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawless522
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08-04-2021, 03:26 PMPelicanidaeNope, and as pelafanatic mentioned earlier in the thread, the right to film cops is actually very much legally protected. That was just a cop trying to threaten and intimidate someone doing something perfectly legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by DroopyDawg
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08-04-2021, 03:36 PMlawless522Because the cop didn't attack him. The first cop kept was screaming at the guy to back up because he was inching closer to the scene to film it as the police were trying to cuff Jaxson. Then, two backs up cops (who were called for assistance) arrived at the scene running full speed to assist. The guy filming is standing right in front of the doorway to the house where the arrest is taking place. He got pushed aside by one of the cops. No attack occurred.Quote:
Originally Posted by DroopyDawg
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08-04-2021, 04:35 PMmsusousaphoneNo. That last cop was very clearly going around the filmer when he reached out at the camera and yelled "turn it off". There is no other way to spin that.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawless522
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08-04-2021, 05:19 PMlawless522Clearly, there is a way to spin it if people are portraying THAT as an "attack" of the camera guy. He got pushed aside and dropped his phone because he was blocking the officers' path. The man was filming directly in front of the entrance to the house where the arrest was taking place. And, while you're allowed to film the police, you absolutely cannot obstruct police activity while doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by msusousaphone
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08-04-2021, 05:23 PMmsusousaphoneWatch again, the cop was already passing the guy when he lashed out. Had someone made that same motion at a cop, I would bet money you would be saying "the cop was justified because the guy attacked him".Quote:
Originally Posted by lawless522
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08-04-2021, 06:00 PMlawless522The cop wasn't pass the camera man. He was clearly extending his arm outward to push the guy aside before any contact was made and while still in full view of the camera. You can easily see both the cop's face and extended palm before contact is made. Kinda impossible to get that shot if the cop "was already passing the guy."Quote:
Originally Posted by msusousaphone
You're way too comfortable making blanket assumptions about people you don't know. Saying that I'm "stanning" for the cops because I said I'd wait for the body cam footage before casting judgment. Or, betting that I'd justify police misconduct because I don't believe the camera man was "attacked." You don't know me, but you assume the most negative portrayal of my views. I thought you were supposed to be a "Snarky Optimistic Guy." Lighten up. -
08-04-2021, 09:24 PMmsusousaphone
.......he even screams "turn it off"......like.....not "get out of the way"........but "turn it off".......
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08-04-2021, 09:35 PMtthier2
Why do you have 7 cops there for a domestic dispute between two people? Quit making excuses for these scary crooked cops
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08-04-2021, 10:31 PMlawless522Sounds like it could be "turn around" to me, but fair enough. I won't dispute that. However, what does that prove? As I said before, you don't have the right to obstruct police activity while filming. If you're standing a few feet away from an active arrest and cops have to maneuver around you to get to the scene, that certainly qualifies.Quote:
Originally Posted by msusousaphone
So, what's more likely then?
1) The cop was trying to make sure there was no video of the arrest knowing that each of them were wearing body cams that could be subpoenaed? Or,
2) That the cop was trying to get the camera man to put down the phone, realize that he's in the way of an active arrest, and immediately get him the heck out of there? -
08-05-2021, 12:17 AMpelicanchamp
Hope Hayes is ok. He was making great progress. Hope he gets to have a normal season
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08-09-2021, 07:05 AMdonato
The police union sent a 4 page letter to Adam Silver and Gayle Benson urging them to punish Jaxson. One of the things they want him punished for is using the N-Word... https://t.co/f3HDIKMBgg pic.twitter.com/HAUDvYbJ8u
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08-09-2021, 07:19 AMDarkHornetAt this point, a letter from the police union would likely only increase the chance that Hayes gets nothing in the form of punishment. Can you imagine the blowback by players league-wide if the NBA were to institute a punishment based on a statement from the LAPD Police Union?Quote:
Originally Posted by donato
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08-09-2021, 08:15 AMPELICANSFANWhile the use of the "N-word" is not acceptable, what does it say about the other charges if this is the item they really want the NBA to act on? I would have thought it was the felony charges. Maybe they do not feel they have the "proof" of those charges?Quote:
Originally Posted by donato
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08-09-2021, 08:20 AMJJackisangrySeems like the cops are trying to salvage the situation to me by bringing up something petty in hopes to make Jax seem in the wrong. The police probably overstepped and hopefully the NBA doesn’t overreact.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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08-09-2021, 08:38 AMdonato
I don't get the strategy at all. Why would they care what the NBA does? That's not their job.
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08-09-2021, 08:40 AMPELICANSFANAgree. They should concentrate on the legal aspects of the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by donato
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08-09-2021, 08:41 AMDarkHornetThat struck me as well. This is what they're worried about?Quote:
Originally Posted by donato
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08-09-2021, 08:45 AMJJackisangryThey’re worried about public image methinks. They know they are in the wrong and are desperate to shift the blame to JaxQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkHornet
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08-09-2021, 08:48 AMDarkHornetRunning to "tell your parents" is an interesting strategy when one is worried about public image :hihi:Quote:
Originally Posted by JJackisangry
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08-09-2021, 08:59 AMPELICANSFANUnless they are "negotiating" saying that they will not press charges as long as the NBA punishes him. Seems weak if they truly believe they have a case against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJackisangry
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08-09-2021, 09:13 AMJJackisangryIt would not be pretty if they pressed charges against Jax most likely. They are technically overstepping their bounds again by requesting the NBA suspend him which tells me they are absolutely desperate.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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08-09-2021, 11:12 AMErose
First of all it is the Union, and NOT the LAPD that is making this request. Two different organizations.
The union probably thinks that the DA will not have the back of the police involved in the incident, and thus they think Hayes will get off this. So, the union is requesting Benson and the NBA to penalize him especially if the charges are dropped against him.
Wonder if this is why we are seeing reports that the Pels are interested in Lauri?
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08-09-2021, 11:34 AMPelicanidaeThat's what it looks like to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJackisangry
Footage comes out of them doing something that most people think looks like a serious abuse of power and their first response is to be like ''b-b-b-b-b-but he said the N word!'' and then comparing it to Leonard's anti-semitic slurs. Not sure if the LAPD Police Union is aware that Jaxson is black or not, but general cultural and linguistic norms lend themselves towards him being allowed to use that word without it being a big deal. -
08-09-2021, 01:26 PMAusPelWe've been linked to Lauri for a long timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Erose
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08-10-2021, 02:01 PMFreyfamilyreuniThe police union doesn’t have any power to press or drop charges against Jaxson. The function of the police union is to “represent” their members, i.e. the people on the police force who pay union dues.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJackisangry
It’s pretty much just a PR move to show to their dues paying members that they have their back. After all, I suppose their members expect to have something in return for the union dues they pay every month.
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Lebron, Chris Paul. Jaylen Brown come in defense of Jaxson yet?
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08-10-2021, 04:29 PMHeavyMaybe consider disputing less, in general, as it relates to a young black man getting obviously brutalized by overly-aggressive idiot cops. A taser to the heart?! Twice?! F that.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawless522
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08-27-2021, 02:17 PMSpeakthetruth
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08-27-2021, 02:27 PMdonato
Meh. The whole thing looks pretty minor to me (I didn't have audio, but could read it). He should've chilled out, but I'd probably be agitated too if they kept putting their hands all over me like that.
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08-27-2021, 03:11 PMTennMan23
I listened to it and the police never seemed to communicate to him exactly what was going on or why they had a right to come into his house. Whenever he said you need a warrant they just saying “no we don’t.”
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08-27-2021, 04:15 PMAusPelIt's not his house, it's his girlfriend'sQuote:
Originally Posted by TennMan23
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08-27-2021, 06:38 PMAs I See It
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08-27-2021, 07:37 PMTennMan23Regardless, the cops could’ve de escalated the situation by simply making it a calmer environment and communicating exactly what was going on and just a bit of respect. “Sir, in these situations we are obligated to make sure that both parties are ok.” No they immediately wanted to cuff him and push him around like bullies. They were looking for a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusPel
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08-28-2021, 09:27 AMPELICANSFANJax was either high or drunk or just completely ignorant. His friend tried everything he could to calm him down and Jax did not want to calm down. It almost seemed as if he was trying to instigate the situation with some of his comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by TennMan23
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08-28-2021, 08:00 PMRaisingTheBarAm I mistaken or didn’t the girlfriend call 911? Yeah there is no “calmer environment” during a safety check for someone calling the cops on someone else. The officers rose their level of intensity as Jaxon rose his. The only thing I think the police are really at fault for is the taser. I’ve watched the full video multiple times, and I can’t justify the use of the taser.Quote:
Originally Posted by TennMan23
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09-05-2021, 09:27 PMRampart
From what I have seen the gf 's cousin who was not there called the police when the gf texted them that Jax was acting upset. No one at the location wanted the police there or contacted them.