End of the game. We lose, 139-132, our 7th consecutive loss.
Statlines:
Ingram: 21 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists. Shot 60% from the floor. 6 turnovers, 6 fouls.
Hayes: 17 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 5 blocks. Shot 75% from the floor. 1 turnover, 5 fouls.
Lonzo: 20 points, 11 assists, 6 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 blocks. Shot 66% from the floor. 7 turnovers, 2 fouls.
Redick: 26 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists. Shot 64% from the floor, 3 turnovers, 5 fouls.
Jrue: 23 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 steals, 1 block. 55% shooting, 4 turnovers, 4 fouls.
5th December - New Orleans Pelicans VS Phoenix Suns - 6-15
Printable View
-
12-05-2019, 09:46 PMPelicanidae
-
12-05-2019, 09:47 PMEman5805It's not all one or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by PelicanNation
Dude makes a dumb play, it's the coach's fault? What about his parents? Maybe they should pay fines when their kids don't know you don't follow Ricky damn Rubio over a ball screen.
Obviously the coaches job is to come up with schemes and plays (you'd think) that put players in the best position to win. I mean, Lonzo dribbles the ball off his foot, that's not on Lonzo?
Redick steps out of bounds for the 20th time this season, that's on Gentry? Should've had them paint the court wider? Players and coaches have a share of responsibility.
Just so happens coaches are easier targets since they tend to linger a lot longer than players do. -
12-05-2019, 09:48 PMAs I See It
19 - 6 in offensive rebounding. 2nd Chance points killed us.
Jax had five rebounds; only one on the defensive end. -
12-05-2019, 09:48 PMFedupfanIt’s probably best to imagine the Pels without a coach. That’s how they play.Quote:
Originally Posted by PelicanNation
-
12-05-2019, 09:49 PMFedupfanThey were smart. They drew him out a lot, which left the rebounding to the undersized guards. Which, we see how that worked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
-
12-05-2019, 09:50 PMCreative
Another game where We beat ourselves.
It's December and We are already tanking? Pathetic. -
12-05-2019, 09:52 PMEman5805I'm struggling to think of a team running an offense that requires zero input from the coach on a team of mostly young players. That's way too much to ask from these guys. It's why in the crunch, when teams tighten up, they default to iso and ball watching. Set plays take a lot of thinking away and minimize mistakes. It's too damn advanced and early for that kinda thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedupfan
THAT is on Gentry. -
12-05-2019, 09:52 PMPelicanidaeWell, part of it is that. Another part of it is that Jaxson doesn't really have that physical force to carve out space under the basket yet. We've all said it: he needs to put on 20lbs. It's still true. When the paint gets absolutely packed, he has trouble forcing his way in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedupfan
It's also worth saying that Jax is perfectly happy to let a guard get the board. If the board bounces off the rim and comes between him and, say, Hart, he's perfectly happy to let Hart get it. I'm much less interested in Jaxson's personal rebounding numbers than I am in how the team rebounds with him on the floor; I'd imagine it's better, though I haven't checked the numbers yet. -
12-05-2019, 09:53 PMFedupfan
I’m usually not happy about a loss, but this one was a good sign. Once this team gets a coach, they will be dangerous. Kind of weird that Griff decided to go his first season without a coach. The search must be very thorough.
-
12-05-2019, 09:55 PMFedupfanI agree. He should have slowed them down and ran some things just to get them started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
-
12-05-2019, 09:59 PMFedupfan
I don’t know what people feel, but I think Nancy Lieberman would be a good coach for this team. The stuff she says is so straight forward and correct.
-
12-05-2019, 10:00 PM6warddude
free throws and turnovers....we make free throws we win...
-
12-05-2019, 10:01 PMFedupfanJrue misses on purpose. I refuse to believe anything else. He only misses them in crunch time, just like all of his shots tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6warddude
-
12-05-2019, 10:02 PMAs I See It
There are three players on this team that are untouchable IMO: BI, ZW, and Jax.
That said, it is disingenuous not to recognize that Jax is a defensive liability as a team defender. He has a long way to go to be average as a team defender (as opposed to one on one). -
12-05-2019, 10:05 PMPelicanidaeSure, but you could say that about pretty much anyone on this team atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
Jax is the youngest player on the team other than Zion, and Zion hasn't played yet. So he's the youngest guy who's touched the floor, didn't even play that much at college (averaged 20 minutes ish per night), and wasn't primarily a basketball guy until he was well into high school. He's also playing on a team with no defensive identity, surrounded by other players who can't/won't play defense.
Given that, it's not at all surprising that his team D is a bit behind. That said, it's not nearly as behind as it could be and he's already shown improvement in that area. Just let the guy grow. -
12-05-2019, 10:06 PM6warddudethe last 4 or 5 games it seem like that smh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedupfan
-
12-05-2019, 10:07 PMFedupfanPels need to stop automatically switching. AD and Joel were saying it all game. No reason to take Jax or the big out the paint so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
-
12-05-2019, 10:09 PM6warddude
the 3rd week in January i wish i can see a starting lineup of jrue,,ingram,,zion,,hayes,,,favors.........
-
12-05-2019, 10:09 PMFedupfanYeah the entire team is lacking in team defense. Jrue gives up three balls all the time when he isn’t the primary defender. They do a ton of ball watching and then lazily contest. JJ doesn’t even run out half the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
-
12-05-2019, 10:11 PMAs I See ItOMG, for the most part, we agree!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
Since you are the stat guru, can you find out what team in the league gives up the most uncontested layups atm? -
12-05-2019, 10:11 PM6warddudethats why i want to see hayes and favors in the same lineup so favors can rebound and hayes roam around and play help defense and block shots...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedupfan
-
12-05-2019, 10:13 PMTaker597
NAW and Hayes got good minutes. This is a win in my book. No complaints for the tank commander.
-
12-05-2019, 10:14 PMFedupfanThat lineup would be very similar in length to the Utah team Favors was on. I just don’t trust Jrue with ball handling or playmaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6warddude
-
12-05-2019, 10:14 PMFedupfanPretty much. They stopped playing Moore. That’s a win in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
-
12-05-2019, 10:18 PMWowowowow:coolg:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedupfan
-
12-05-2019, 10:38 PMPelicanidaeI can't right find that stat, unfortunately. It's possible to find which teams contest the most 2 point attempts (Milwaukee, OKC, Brooklyn, Portland, San Antonio) and it also happens to be 4 of those 5 teams (all but Portland) fall within the top 10 in limiting at-rim shooting attempts per Cleaning the Glass, which tells you that they're likely to be the top teams in terms of contesting inside attempts and therefore give up the fewest uncontested layups, but it's not definitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
-
12-05-2019, 10:46 PMPelicanidae
That’s ma boy ������ damn
— Didi Louzada (@Didi) December 6, 2019
Didi out there supporting -
12-05-2019, 11:16 PMEman5805
He'll be playing with them soon enough.
-
12-05-2019, 11:31 PMPelicanidae
Some advanced stats from this game (minimum of 15 minutes played)
Best Net Rating: Jaxson Hayes, +3.5
Worst Net Rating: Josh Hart, -31.4
Most Screen Assists: Hayes and Melli tied with 2 each
Most Deflections: Jrue, with 10
Most Loose Balls Recovered: Jrue, with 3
Most 2pt Shots Contested: Jaxson, with 10
Most 3pt Shots Contested: Jaxson, with 7
Most Overall Contests: Jaxson, with 17
Most Boxouts: Jaxson and Jrue tied with 6 each
Most Points in the Paint: Jrue with 16, followed by Jax with 12 -
12-05-2019, 11:50 PMPelicanidae
Jaxson Hayes is the 3rd youngest player (19 yrs-196 days) in NBA history to have at least 17 pts and 5 blks in a single game, trailing only LeBron James and Andrew Bynum. https://t.co/lJVDMOZGRi
— David M. Grubb (@DMGrubb) December 6, 2019 -
12-05-2019, 11:55 PMHoustonRoxIs Giannis, Kawhi and Doncic gonna die or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25
-
12-06-2019, 12:31 AMnew city champ
Loss I can live with. But another game where they went flat for about a 10 minute stretch and let things get out of hand. Obviously Lonzo’s best game as a Pel. Forget that he shot lights out, he took the right kind of shots—spot up 3s from the short corners and driving lay ups. Thought he showed good court vision on good passing instincts, for the most part. This version of Lonzo has value.
Interested to hear Griff’s remarks finally. Nothing earth shattering but good to hear the disgust in his voice when talking about our defense. Maybe he’ll do something about it. Mildly disturbing that he seemed to chalk most our troubles to not having Derek Favors available. As I wrote a few days ago, if the margin between us being a bottom feeding defense and respectable is Derek Favors, someone screwed up the roster. Oh we lost our journeyman free agent center who we have on a one year deal? Guess we can’t stop anybody until he makes it back... -
12-06-2019, 12:44 AMPelicanidaeI mostly agree with this, in that yes, no one player should be so vital to a defense that without them, it's non-existent. You can't design a defense around one player like that. There needs to be something else going on that functions.Quote:
Originally Posted by new city champ
That said, I do think the way you've written this undersells Favors quite a lot. It's easy enough to call him a ''journeyman free agent centre'', which of course makes it sound silly that missing him causes such an impact. However, you can just as easily call him one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA for the last 5 years, which is also completely true, and suddenly makes the impact suffered by losing him far more understandable. -
12-06-2019, 04:22 AMnew city champ
Brother, I don’t care if it’s prime Bill Russell who goes down. If without that single cog you devolve into one of the worst defenses in the league, there has been serious malpractice in constructing the roster. Offhand I’d say Griff needs to take a look pronto at getting a veteran defensive big (or two) on the team even it means dealing away Okafor, some shooters or 2nd rounders. If we really can’t get any stops without a defensive center, then finding a back up for Favors should be priority one.
-
12-06-2019, 04:53 AMHoustonRox
Gentry had the Pelicans speed it up on offense to take advantage of bad Suns defense but he made his own defense even worse and more scrambled in the process.
— Kellan Olson (@KellanOlson) December 6, 2019 -
12-06-2019, 05:39 AMPelicanidaeQuote:
Originally Posted by new city champ
Just repeat my first bit again, in response.Quote:
yes, no one player should be so vital to a defense that without them, it's non-existent. You can't design a defense around one player like that. There needs to be something else going on that functions.
-
12-06-2019, 07:02 AMluckymanHow is Derrick Favors a journeyman? He spent basically his entire career so far with one team.Quote:
Originally Posted by new city champ
This team shouldn't be so dependent on one player, but Derrick Favors isn't some scrub journeyman either. I'd have to imagine Griff is highly disappointed that's he's only started 7 of the first 22 games mostly due to what amounts to basic mobility. -
12-06-2019, 07:53 AMWecandothisThis may be the worst defensive team in the league and they give up a ton of offensive rebounds.I thought Ball and Ingram were supposed to be good defensively I'm honestly not seeing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by new city champ
-
12-06-2019, 08:52 AMPELICANSFANDon't understand what Jrue was thinking. BI did not get the ball until 3 seconds or less and had to rush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
-
12-06-2019, 09:57 AMEman5805Arguably. Meaning you can argue it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonRox
-
12-06-2019, 02:07 PMAusPelHow could the defense get worse?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonRox
-
12-06-2019, 04:54 PMPelicanidaeIf Ingram is going to be ''arguably'' better than Giannis (who might well win consecutive MVPs this year and who is also a strong DPOY contender) and Doncic, you'd have to assume thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
A) Ingram is going to take another leap after this one that translates his box score stats into impact
B) Ingram is going to improve defensively by a huge margin
C) Neither Giannis or Doncic are going to improve any further
Which are all fairly large assumptions. The first might happen, though obviously it's debatable how much it can happen on certain teams, but B and C are both pretty wild guesses.