October 25th - New Orleans Pelicans VS Dallas Mavericks - 0-1

My hope is that Gentry doesn't wait too long to inject a few starters into the unit that's currently on the floor.

Dallas is throwing up bricks but the Pels aren’t capitalizing off of them. We’re matching bricks with theirs while they sit on a lead. Then their lead gets bigger off a 3 after so many misses

WTF ARE THEY DOING OUT THERE?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I don't care if it's elite. An elite bad shot is still bad. It's about points per possession. What is his points per possession on iso shots then we can talk about it.

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1. 1 point per possession last season on isolation shots.

Yes, that's elite for an isolation shot. But isolation shots are one of the worst kinds of offense in terms of efficiency. Almost anything else is better.

Sigh. I wish we had Carlisle

Not going to win many games when your starting backcourt can't shoot.

I'm personally okay with an iso play when there's a mismatch.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I don't care if it's elite. An elite bad shot is still bad. It's about points per possession. What is his points per possession on iso shots then we can talk about it.

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It won MJ how many rings? Kobe how many? Now Kawhi? If you are elite at shooting the shot it is not a bad shot. Ingram is elite at shooting this shot making this a very good shot especially being guarded by a guard. Once again someone acting as if some analytical stat is the tell all lol.

Keying in on Doncic and Porzingas, while letting Delon Wright, Curry and Hardaway run up the scoreboard

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Originally Posted by Nichols

I'm personally okay with an iso play when there's a mismatch.

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Ingram does it way too much. To be fair, he is justified as long as he keeps the ball out of Jrue’s hands. I’m joking, but he isn’t the only one playing iso crap tonight. Gentry is a poor coach in the half court. It has always been this way

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

1. 1 point per possession last season on isolation shots.

Yes, that's elite for an isolation shot. But isolation shots are one of the worst kinds of offense in terms of efficiency. Almost anything else is better.

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Yeah that's what I figured. We don't run an iso offense so even if they were actually an efficient shot it kills our offensive flow. I have no issue complimenting Ingram, as I've said he has been one of the few bright spots on this team so far. But people seriously need to back the crap off with out even allowing people to call out an even minor issue of his game.

If only you could have gotten to Coach Kawhi last season and told him to not take iso mid range shots but only 3 pointers.. In sure he would have a ring!

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

It won MJ how many rings? Kobe how many? Now Kawhi? If you are elite at shooting the shot it is not a bad shot. Ingram is elite at shooting this shot making this a very good shot especially being guarded by a guard. Once again someone acting as if some analytical stat is the tell all lol.

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Ingram is not MJ, Kobe, or Kawhi. I'll say this very clearly. Back the heck off with defending Ingram even when I've been absolutely complimentary of his game. His game IS NOT PERFECT. Stop acting like it is and let me people voice concerns.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

If only you could have gotten to Coach Kawhi last season and told him to not take iso mid range shots but only 3 pointers.. In sure he would have a ring!

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They aren’t in the same realm as players

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Yeah that's what I figured. We don't run an iso offense so even if they were actually an efficient shot it kills our offensive flow. I have no issue complimenting Ingram, as I've said he has been one of the few bright spots on this team so far. But people seriously need to back the crap off with out even allowing people to call out an even minor issue of his game.

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LoL what you are calling out is dumb that’s why. Allowing one of your best scorers to take an iso shot and when it’s missed you point it out as some terrible shot. The numbers show you he is elite. But again you only know basketball through analytics which mean he must take the 3 at all times. LoL get over it!

Hart is playing so well for us. Maybe he needs to be the first guy off the bench.

Hart and Jackson will save this game

If you saw this Hart from the starting lineup, we wouldn’t be losing

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Yeah that's what I figured. We don't run an iso offense so even if they were actually an efficient shot it kills our offensive flow. I have no issue complimenting Ingram, as I've said he has been one of the few bright spots on this team so far. But people seriously need to back the crap off with out even allowing people to call out an even minor issue of his game.

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Yeah, it's pretty frustrating how any criticism of him is taken personally by some.

The fact is that Ingram played great in the first quarter. Passed well, made good decisions, played strong defense. His defense has still been there for the most part, but the longer the game has gone on, the worse his decision making has gotten until it's lapsed into that isoball style again. That's not good.

Just pointing that out doesn't mean you hate him or that you're being unfair. It's just the reality of what he's doing.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

They aren’t in the same realm as players

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Does it matter? They are in near the same realm shooting from this spot as it being one of the weapons to their offensive game.. Also Ingram is 22 and much better at this age as well. Kawhi just won a championship with this as his most dangerous threat. Yet people are gonna sit here calling it a bad shot everytime cause it’s not a 3? Yea ok!

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Ingram does it way too much. To be fair, he is justified as long as he keeps the ball out of Jrue’s hands. I’m joking, but he isn’t the only one playing iso crap tonight. Gentry is a poor coach in the half court. It has always been this way

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You guys are hot with Jrue tonight lol.. I guess he deserves some heat. I think everyone's going to look a lot better once they develop chemistry with one another and the system they're playing in.

Finally some better defence and some Ball movement. Gentry put Ingram and Favors in.

Hart has been huge both games so far. He deserves real minutes and real time in the rotation from what he's done so far.

Hugely impressed by his bounce back. He was pretty pants in pre-season, and he's just come out well since.

WONT BOW DOWN!!! I love the fight in this team regardless if they win or lose.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

LoL what you are calling out is dumb that’s why. Allowing one of your best scorers to take an iso shot and when it’s missed you point it out as some terrible shot. The numbers show you he is elite. But again you only know basketball through analytics which mean he must take the 3 at all times. LoL get over it!

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Again. INGRAM'S GAME IS NOT PERFECT. You defending him to all depths instead of allowing people to voice minor concerns doesn't win anyone over. It makes people not take you seriously and makes it harder for your ultimate goal of people supporting Ingram here.

If your true intentions are having everyone come around on Ingram then back the hell off and let people talk about his good AND bad.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah, it's pretty frustrating how any criticism of him is taken personally by some.

The fact is that Ingram played great in the first quarter. Passed well, made good decisions, played strong defense. His defense has still been there for the most part, but the longer the game has gone on, the worse his decision making has gotten until it's lapsed into that isoball style again. That's not good.

Just pointing that out doesn't mean you hate him or that you're being unfair. It's just the reality of what he's doing.

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Lapses into iso ball?! LoL it was 1 shot!! Another time it was 1 shot after 3 back to back great possessions by him. Only complaint you can seem to give continually is him taking a mid range shot backing his defender down. He is elite at it so when the shot presents itself on a mismatch you take it! Just like all the other great SFs do. Go look up so advanced analytic I’m going watch the game.

Gentry put starters in!

The high bounce long offensive rebounds is killing us

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Again. INGRAM'S GAME IS NOT PERFECT. You defending him to all depths instead of allowing people to voice minor concerns doesn't win anyone over. It makes people not take you seriously and makes it harder for your ultimate goal of people supporting Ingram here.

If your true intentions are having everyone come around on Ingram then back the hell off and let people talk about his good AND bad.

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You will never hear from me it is perfect. Do I need to show the comments of what you said before the trade? Keinrich Williams was and will be better then Ingram? You and PelicanDae were the 2 strongest haters and won’t ever get over it. LoL yea let’s go trade Jrue as well get out of here

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah, it's pretty frustrating how any criticism of him is taken personally by some.

The fact is that Ingram played great in the first quarter. Passed well, made good decisions, played strong defense. His defense has still been there for the most part, but the longer the game has gone on, the worse his decision making has gotten until it's lapsed into that isoball style again. That's not good.

Just pointing that out doesn't mean you hate him or that you're being unfair. It's just the reality of what he's doing.

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Is he not showing improvement from game to game? Evolving his game isn’t going to be done overnight. You have to be encouraged that he’s buying in and looks to be moving in the right direction.

Damn it. We need to go back in time and transplant all of Marcus Camby's defensive knowledge into Jaxson Hayes's body. We need his length to throw at Zingus so bad.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Again. INGRAM'S GAME IS NOT PERFECT. You defending him to all depths instead of allowing people to voice minor concerns doesn't win anyone over. It makes people not take you seriously and makes it harder for your ultimate goal of people supporting Ingram here.

If your true intentions are having everyone come around on Ingram then back the hell off and let people talk about his good AND bad.

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Also, just want to highlight a contradiction in his post there.

''The numbers show you he is elite. But again you only know basketball through analytics''

The numbers are the analytics. If the numbers showed he was elite, the analytics would be those numbers. The reality is that his primary skill is a form of offense that generals 1ppp, which is actually not elite: and the analytics do show that.

That Toronto game seems to be eating at Nicky. He didn’t even play poorly. Sometimes the shots just don’t fall.

Bring the starters in and leave Frank and Hart in..

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Originally Posted by Snarly

Is he not showing improvement from game to game? Evolving his game isn’t going to be done overnight. You have to be encouraged that he’s buying in and looks to be moving in the right direction.

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Yep, I agree. I said in game one that although it wasn't perfect, it was far better than anything he had shown in pre-season, and despite the way this game progressed, his first quarter was his best quarter in a Pelicans uniform.

The facts that he has been improving and showing some good signs don't contradict the fact that he's still been far from perfect.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

You will never hear from me it is perfect. Do I need to show the comments of what you said before the trade? Keinrich Williams was and will be better then Ingram? LoL yea let’s go trade Jrue as well get out of here

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What does ANY of that have to do with me discussing Ingram's CURRENT PLAY? You want people to believe in Ingram like you do, then you bring up stuff that has nothing to do with Ingram or before he was even here?

Even if people wanted to come around on Ingram you'd rather what? No one say anything about him if it doesn't line up 100% with what you think about him? Again. Back off and let people just discuss his CURRENT GAME.

#StartFrankJackson

Come on let’s get a win!

I'd like to point out that I 100% support Gentry basically benching all the starters for our bench.

Right on cue Gentry puts the starters back in lol

We have a lot of talented players, and a lot of mediocre head coach.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

What does ANY of that have to do with me discussing Ingram's CURRENT PLAY? You want people to believe in Ingram like you do, then you bring up stuff that has nothing to do with Ingram or before he was even here?

Even if people wanted to come around on Ingram you'd rather what? No one say anything about him if it doesn't line up 100% with what you think about him? Again. Back off and let people just discuss his CURRENT GAME.

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LoL because you have no credibility on the discussion!! You said Keinrich was better and were dead serious. Goodbye

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I'd like to point out that I 100% support Gentry basically benching all the starters for our bench.

Right on cue Gentry puts the starters back in lol

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Given our rotations, these guys might actually be our starters.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I'd like to point out that I 100% support Gentry basically benching all the starters for our bench.

Right on cue Gentry puts the starters back in lol

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Given our rotations, these guys might actually be our starters.

Ingram!!

I wish Jrue plays a little more like Hart off the penetration. Hart is seriously physical.

I hate that shot. He made it. But I really hate that shot.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

LoL because you have no credibility on the discussion!! You said Keinrich was better and were dead serious. Goodbye

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So you'd rather no one ever discuss Ingram even if they come around on him if they didn't like him before he was here? that's idiotic.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

We have a lot of talented players, and a lot of mediocre head coach.

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I agree with this. It is what it is. Gayle likes Alvin

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I hate that shot. He made it. But I really hate that shot.

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It's Tyreke Evans all over again.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I hate that shot. He made it. But I really hate that shot.

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Not my favorite either. I can understand criticism of this one he just made but not in the post where he is elite but some analytic stat doesn’t say it’s the best shot.